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dirtbanker 08-01-2014 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 916301)

You have misquoted me. I did NOT say this. I get into enough trouble all by myself.

Oops, I edited my post to remove your name (not sure who said it as there have been a number of edited posts or maybe I imagined it?)
Yes, I am sure you can get into enough trouble without my assistance ;-)

Taltarzac725 08-01-2014 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtbanker (Post 916776)
Oops, I edited my post to remove your name (not sure who said it as there have been a number of edited posts or maybe I imagined it?)
Yes, I am sure you can get into enough trouble without my assistance ;-)

I said something like that. Only that it might cause some troubling questions and emotions from the very young kids that sometime go to Old Mill Playhouse movies. And, kids visiting from CA and their parents may still be on CA time.

And I often get myself in trouble by voicing my opinions.

Chi-Town 08-01-2014 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RedChariot (Post 916444)
Thank You. Margaret Klemm has done a disservice to us all. Especially her husband and family. Do any of you think The Villages will live this down? The laughter has been heard around the world. She deserves to pay for the crime.

I wouldn't worry about The Villages living this down. The out of state people who have sent me texts or emails about this have been very good natured about this. It's almost like a break from the mundane for them.

Warren Kiefer 08-01-2014 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 916177)
Villages sexcapade nets woman 180 days in jail - Daily Commercial: News

The sentence for Mrs. Kleem was today. Personally I agree with the prosecutor Tiny Smith that this was in a family public place. If they had been out on a golf course on a golf cart at 10:30 PM far from prying eyes, I would have expected the cops would just have told them to get dressed and move on. Families coming out of the Old Mill Playhouse might have seen them.

Why do you say "might " have seen them.??? Couldn't a person just as well say, "might not have seen them ""??

Warren Kiefer 08-01-2014 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mountaineer (Post 916182)
More important, I hope she gets help for her alcoholism. She has a sickness and needs to be treated for it. But, at 88, it's a long shot. It's a sad story. Not something to joke about.

88 ???????? I don't think so..

Taltarzac725 08-01-2014 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 916893)
Why do you say "might " have seen them.??? Couldn't a person just as well say, "might not have seen them ""??

Think you are missing the point of why she got this harsh sentence. The sex was in a public place at a time of day where there were kids around or where these two should have known that there were children present.

Barefoot 08-01-2014 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 916192)
For me, the only victims in this case were the two people engaged in the act and their families. No one was physically hurt, no property was destroyed. Should these two have gotten some type of fine or punishment? Yes, but based on other crimes and the punishment received, I think this was over kill.

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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 916195)
The entire episode is tragic and very sad. It amazes me how some of the public actually got pleasure in previous threads, by making some pretty feelingless comments. While I do agree a penalty was justified, the penalty given does not fit the crime.

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Originally Posted by red tail (Post 916259)
it looks like a case of 'bible belt justice'...I agree with the poster that said this is overkill!!

I agree with the above posters, the punishment did not fit the crime, no-one was hurt.
I'm sure the family experienced embarrassment, however her son has written a letter in the online newspaper asking for our support for his mom.
It makes me sad to see so many judgmental comments. Why not try compassionate, as requested by her son.
Let he among you who is without sin, cast the first stone.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 08-01-2014 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rp001 (Post 916773)
I wish people would get their facts straight about this. Garbage rumor based on misinformation taken out of context from a book trying to enrich the writer. I'm so tired of answering this point and it's promulgated for sensationalism only.

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I agree. We don't have the problems that were mentioned in that post. It's ridiculous.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 08-01-2014 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 916951)
I agree with the above posters, the punishment did not fit the crime, no-one was hurt.
I'm sure the family experienced embarrassment, however her son has written a letter in the online newspaper asking for our support for his mom.
It makes me sad to see so many judgmental comments. Why not try compassionate, as requested by her son.
Let he among you who is without sin, cast the first stone.

I would agree if this were her first offense and had nothing before. I think that the harsh sentence may have been because she did this while on probation. Courts don't take kindly to people breaking probation.

This sentence might just be the most compassionate thing for her. It might help her to get the help she needs for her problems and set on the right path. If they let her off with a slap on the writ, who's to say that she might not be back in court in another month.

We're not talking about sin here, we're talking about crime. If you apply the "whoever is without sin" adage here why not apply it to every crime.
Jesus was talking about sin when he said that. He was making the point that we are all sinners. We all do not commit crimes.


Forgiveness is one thing but not punishing people for bad behaviour is something all together different. People need to suffer the consequences of their actions.

Barefoot 08-01-2014 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 916961)
We're not talking about sin here, we're talking about crime. If you apply the "whoever is without sin" adage here why not apply it to every crime.
Jesus was talking about sin when he said that. He was making the point that we are all sinners. We all do not commit crimes.

I agree that the violation of parole was a crime and should be punished.
However on this thread, I get the feeling that people find Peggy's sexual behavior to be sinful rather than criminal.
Because she didn't hurt anyone.
And therefore I feel that the six-month verdict was over kill.

According to news reports, the Young man who robbed a woman at TJ Maxx had an extensive criminal record.
He put a woman in the hospital. He was out on parole the next day.

Peggy's son asked for compassion for his mom.
I'd like to think we are a compassionate community.

KeepingItReal 08-01-2014 02:46 PM

And it's world news again.......for the police bashers, now it says initially the incident was reported by residents..."Community residents called police and reported seeing Klemm and David Bobilya, 49, engaging in sexual activity
When investigators arrived at the scene, Klemm had her shirt pulled down and wasn't wearing any pants and Bobilya was also half-naked"


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Chi-Town 08-01-2014 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 916283)
OKC Police: Two people naked, having sex on sidewalk in front of church | KFOR.com

We will have to see how this couple are sentenced.

And I am not so sure that many would agree that what you see on the Internet or on TV or at the movies has the same kind of impact as what you see right in front of you. Kids visiting from CA may also still be on CA time so younger kids might be coming out of the Old Mill Playhouse later.

Kids visiting from Tokyo may also still be on Tokyo time. Oh, never mind. Then it would be tomorrow.

Russ_Boston 08-01-2014 06:07 PM

Could someone answer this for me: I thought the square was private property? Belongs to TV. Did (or should) this have any bearing on the crime? For example I would think that if I left my windows open with the lights on in my home and let anyone see a sexual activity, is that a crime?

I'm joking of course but I'm just curious about the jurisdiction rights of public safety officers who 'patrol' the squares.

perrjojo 08-01-2014 06:28 PM

I feel bad for the Klemm family...Not so much for Ms Klemm...sounds harsh I know .

I don't know if the sentence in this case is reasonable according to the law or not, but let me tell you what I do know.

I have attended al anon meetings for over 30 years. I know about Alcoholism. I know about Alcoholics. I have known and loved a few. I imagine we all have had an addict somewhere close to us in our lives. I know that some experts think alcoholism is a disease and some do not. I really don't know what I think, but here is what I DO know. Addiction causes diseases like high blood pressure, heart trouble, liver disease and the list goes on. Addiction causes broken people, broken homes and broken relationships. Addictions cost a lot of money, not just to the addict but to our entire economy.

I also know about being an enabler. I have been one but not so much any more. I know that addicts don't need sympathy. Sympathy only enables them. Addicts don't need excuses made for them. Making excuses for them only enables the behavior. Addicts don't need sympathy.......they need tough love. If you are an enabler, you are part of the problem.

Chazz 08-01-2014 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 917074)
I feel bad for the Klemm family...Not so much for Ms Klemm...sounds harsh I know .

I don't know if the sentence in this case is reasonable according to the law or not, but let me tell you what I do know.

I have attended al anon meetings for over 30 years. I know about Alcoholism. I know about Alcoholics. I have known and loved a few. I imagine we all have had an addict somewhere close to us in our lives. I know that some experts think alcoholism is a disease and some do not. I really don't know what I think, but here is what I DO know. Addiction causes diseases like high blood pressure, heart trouble, liver disease and the list goes on. Addiction causes broken people, broken homes and broken relationships. Addictions cost a lot of money, not just to the addict but to our entire economy.

I also know about being an enabler. I have been one but not so much any more. I know that addicts don't need sympathy. Sympathy only enables them. Addicts don't need excuses made for them. Making excuses for them only enables the behavior. Addicts don't need sympathy.......they need tough love. If you are an enabler, you are part of the problem.

Well said! I hope this period of incarceration helps both parties straighten out their lives.


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