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-   -   Margaret "Peggy" Klemm gets 180 days. (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/margaret-peggy-klemm-gets-180-days-122501/)

Taltarzac725 08-01-2014 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 916988)
Kids visiting from Tokyo may also still be on Tokyo time. Oh, never mind. Then it would be tomorrow.
I suppose there could be some kids visiting from Tokyo to the Villages. There sure are those visiting Orlando. Maybe, they took a wrong turn somewhere?

LI SNOWBIRD 08-01-2014 06:47 PM
It's now on Youtube
Grandma Will Spend 6 Months In Jail For Public Sex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=RbOwSN5ji1A

Radioman41 08-01-2014 06:59 PM
The story made it on " Drudge Report". It has a link to the story on "The Smoking Gun".

graciegirl 08-01-2014 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 917074)
I feel bad for the Klemm family...Not so much for Ms Klemm...sounds harsh I know .

I don't know if the sentence in this case is reasonable according to the law or not, but let me tell you what I do know.

I have attended al anon meetings for over 30 years. I know about Alcoholism. I know about Alcoholics. I have known and loved a few. I imagine we all have had an addict somewhere close to us in our lives. I know that some experts think alcoholism is a disease and some do not. I really don't know what I think, but here is what I DO know. Addiction causes diseases like high blood pressure, heart trouble, liver disease and the list goes on. Addiction causes broken people, broken homes and broken relationships. Addictions cost a lot of money, not just to the addict but to our entire economy.

I also know about being an enabler. I have been one but not so much any more. I know that addicts don't need sympathy. Sympathy only enables them. Addicts don't need excuses made for them. Making excuses for them only enables the behavior. Addicts don't need sympathy.......they need tough love. If you are an enabler, you are part of the problem.
When you type, I read. I have found you to be thoughtful, reasonable and very kind. People like you make this forum helpful to people like me. I understand exactly what you are saying. I appreciate you telling us this. I hope it will be helpful to others.

2BNTV 08-01-2014 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 917074)
I feel bad for the Klemm family...Not so much for Ms Klemm...sounds harsh I know .

I don't know if the sentence in this case is reasonable according to the law or not, but let me tell you what I do know.

I have attended al anon meetings for over 30 years. I know about Alcoholism. I know about Alcoholics. I have known and loved a few. I imagine we all have had an addict somewhere close to us in our lives. I know that some experts think alcoholism is a disease and some do not. I really don't know what I think, but here is what I DO know. Addiction causes diseases like high blood pressure, heart trouble, liver disease and the list goes on. Addiction causes broken people, broken homes and broken relationships. Addictions cost a lot of money, not just to the addict but to our entire economy.

I also know about being an enabler. I have been one but not so much any more. I know that addicts don't need sympathy. Sympathy only enables them. Addicts don't need excuses made for them. Making excuses for them only enables the behavior. Addicts don't need sympathy.......they need tough love. If you are an enabler, you are part of the problem.
100% correct. Also the same with gamblers. They are enabled by family members that make excuses for them. They try to get over on other people people too. When their options start to run dry, they become con artists.

The only way for them to get help is to get tough love and hit rock bottom. Only then, they have a chance to redeem themselves, to become productive members of society.

Peggy seems to have some deep rooted problems that need professional help.
Until she accepts her actions into what her consequences will be, then she will at least have a chance for recovery. Getting a DUI once is not good, but to be drunk two weeks after is stupidity. Stupid is, as stupid does.

Getting the police involved three times for her behavior, cannot be excused by her family or others.

No excuses, just results is what she needs to do. Do the right thing!!!!

zonerboy 08-01-2014 09:00 PM
Being sympathetic does not make one an enabler.
Thinking a six month jail sentence is too harsh does not make one an enabler either.
I have asked before and have not received an answer: what does serving 6 months in jail do to help this woman's problem which many have identified as alcoholism or addiction.
It has been said that "tough love" and "hitting rock bottom" are necessary steps. Well then, how about a 12 month jail sentence. Maybe that would be better since it would be twice as rock bottom.
What about a six month suspended sentence conditional upon enrollment in and continued attendance at an alcoholism treatment program?

KeepingItReal 08-01-2014 09:29 PM
Purpose Of Imprisonment
 

prison :: The purpose of imprisonment -- Encyclopedia Britannica

The purpose of imprisonment:

There are a number of accepted reasons for the use of imprisonment.

One approach aims to deter those who would otherwise commit crimes (general deterrence) and to make it less likely that those who serve a prison sentence will commit crimes after their release (individual deterrence).

A second approach focuses on issuing punishment to, or obtaining retribution from, those who have committed serious crimes.

A third approach encourages the personal reform of those who are sent to prison. Finally, in some cases it is necessary to protect the public from those who commit crimes—particularly from those who do so persistently. In individual cases, all or some of these justifications may apply. The increasing importance of the notion of reform has led some prison systems to be called correctional institutions.

NoMoSno 08-01-2014 09:34 PM
She violated her probation.
She took the plea deal for 6 months, rather than risk getting the 1 year typically given for violating probation, in Lady Lake.
I think the guy also got a bad deal.
He got 6 months, and fined $9000.
He was not on probation and had no prior record.
Hope they both get a early release.

Bonanza 08-02-2014 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 916268)
Whew! I feel much safer now. Much less chance of seeing any exposed genitals in my wanderings about The Villages.
Wouldn't want any grand kids to be scarred for life by seeing human body parts.
If your grandchildren are teenagers, they wouldn't be shocked or scarred for life.
Kids today know more and have seen more than most of us.

If your grandchildren are really young, they would have been in bed,
so there would not have been any chance that could have seen any of the "act."

Then -- there's always a chance that they could walk in without knocking,
and find you naked.
Would they then be scarred for life???

LI SNOWBIRD 08-02-2014 07:34 AM
She's made youtube
Grandma Will Spend 6 Months In Jail For Public Sex - YouTube

Taltarzac725 08-02-2014 07:38 AM
https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-...l#NRS201Sec210

I was wondering how this would play out in Reno, Nevada where I grew up. I expect if they did this in a Reno park at 10:30 PM, where kids probably would not be around but might be it would have a similar result as the one in the Villages.

Chi-Town 08-02-2014 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 917256)
https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-...l#NRS201Sec210

I was wondering how this would play out in Reno, Nevada where I grew up. I expect if they did this in a Reno park at 10:30 PM, where kids probably would not be around but might be it would have a similar result as the one in the Villages.
You obviously never watched Reno 911. [emoji6]

dirtbanker 08-02-2014 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 917183)
If your grandchildren are teenagers, they wouldn't be shocked or scarred for life.
Kids today know more and have seen more than most of us.

If your grandchildren are really young, they would have been in bed,
so there would not have been any chance that could have seen any of the "act."

Then -- there's always a chance that they could walk in without knocking,
and find you naked.
Would they then be scarred for life???
Sex fest at Bonanza's patio, everyone is invited, don't worry about the kids they either have seen more than you or should be in bed...

Coffee clutch the next morning where idiots that are too stupid to lock the bedroom door when having sex in a house with children are welcome to share experiences...:a20:

Taltarzac725 08-02-2014 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 917261)
You obviously never watched Reno 911. [emoji6]
Actually, I have. I was looking for scenes from Reno but think that most of that is filmed actually in Southern CA. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0370194/...?ref_=tt_dt_dt

I never met any cops like those in Reno, Nevada. ;) Not that I met all that many. I did read the Reno newspaper for years, however, and do not remember any of these kind of shenanigans.

Abster 08-02-2014 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 917256)
https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-...l#NRS201Sec210

I was wondering how this would play out in Reno, Nevada where I grew up. I expect if they did this in a Reno park at 10:30 PM, where kids probably would not be around but might be it would have a similar result as the one in the Villages.
Who cares how this would play out anywhere. It's over, done with, finished. Put it to rest and the local news, Daily Mail, Drudge Report and all the others will also.


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