[LarryL]

I agree. We should be able to ask if the staff is vaccinated as well:

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MrFlorida

How do you know if the cook in back is wearing a mask or not ? If mask wearing is important to you, then dine at home.

The cook in the back could be doing other "bad things".

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Will you express the same disbelief to your surgeon or will you appreciate that he/she wears the "feel good face diaper" to reduce the risk of you getting an infection?

Apples and kumquats...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

But look at the bright side.

COVID has just about totally cured the flu.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

When you leave your house and you go indoors to a restaurant (or anywhere) you no longer have control of your environment and face a brutal, uncaring segment of the population that (especially for older Americans) is perfectly willing to cause you harm through disease. You expose yourself to their lack of empathy, hatred, and stupidity. And WORST of all those who reward them by staying at a restaurant like that or leaving a tip are just encouraging bad behavior. Many expert US doctors have stated that January is going to be a key time period to prevent a surge of Omicron. For the next 3 weeks, I would encourage people to hunker down, keep a low profile, wear masks, and wait and hope that this surge does NOT CLOG UP HOSPITALS (as is warned of by expert Epidemiologists)!

Two more weeks to flatten the curve!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by LarryL

I agree. We should be able to ask if the staff is vaccinated as well:

Should you be able to ask about their sexual history, as well? Hepatitis is transmissible too, you know...

[ex34449]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

is perfectly willing to cause you harm through disease. You expose yourself to their lack of empathy, hatred, and stupidity.

Would it be more empathetic to take away an overweight individuals steak and potatoes and replace it with a salad (no dressing)? Replace their soda with a water instead?

Would it be proper to remind one of the 40% of the population the stupidity of being overweight?

Is it hatred to see so many so horribly out of shape and un-healthy? Helping the virus to spread via their un-healthy bodies to others?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by UpNorth

If your eyeglasses tend to fog up while wearing a mask, that should tell you something.

Fogging glasses normally mean that the nose area of the mask is not tight enough. Some have metal nose bridges that can be pushed or bent tighter to alleviate the fogging problem. There are now multiple designs of N-95 and KN-95 masks that can be found to fit someone's face tightly.

[ex34449]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Should you be able to ask about their sexual history, as well? Hepatitis is transmissible too, you know...

Personal freedoms are just so over rated aren't they. /

[fdpaq0580]

Tag line for the new karate kid -"Mask on, Mask off".

Few, if any, have changed their minds, so this is the definition of "futile".
But what has occurred is non-maskers showing their mean streak and taking the low road by ridiculing maskers with terms like "virtue signaling", "covidiots" and "face diapers". Total lack of empathy for others.
Maskers try to justify their use by science and evidence they believe in whether others believe it or not.

Me? I may choose to wear a mask when indoors or outdoors due to pollen, mold or mildew, or in an environment that I feel may provide a higher probability for germs of any kind, including covid virus. I know the mask, any mask, is not 100% fool proof. But, like a screen on an open window, it will lessen amount of contaminants coming in or out thus lowering contaminant "loading". Hey, my life, my choice. "Judge ye not, lest ye, yourself be judged".

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Seasonal

I agree with this. We have not been out to a bar or restaurant in almost two years. Love to cruise but have not been on a ship or airplane either. That's our protection and our choices. I'm perfectly fine with others doing all of this, it's their choice.

I would never expect others to wear a mask for me.

Countries in the Asian part of the world have greater experience with SARS and other diseases than the US. So, they and their governments are MORE prone to vaccine and mask mandates. US......not so much!

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Two things:

1. People are fools to be unvaccinated, plenty of empirical and observational data indicating it helps;

2. People are fools to wear masks. Yes, you are free to do so if you wish. You can also walk around with your underwear on your head, it's your business, not anyone else's. HOWEVER, Don't expect people won't point, stare, and laugh at you.

Originally Posted by jdulej

Wow, I guess you laugh at a handicapped person struggling to walk down the street. Reminds me of someone ............

Where on earth did you draw that inference? Wow! What a leap of logic to reach that conclusion. Disabled folks are far different from people who walk around with face tattoos and underwear on their heads.

One is (obviously) a handicap, which they neither welcomed nor can easily remedy. The other is a non-permanent choice, willingly made, to go against the cultural and/or historical norm.

Sure does help me understand how your mind works. 2+2=6.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Tag line for the new karate kid -"Mask on, Mask off".

Few, if any, have changed their minds, so this is the definition of "futile".
But what has occurred is non-maskers showing their mean streak and taking the low road by ridiculing maskers with terms like "virtue signaling", "covidiots" and "face diapers". Total lack of empathy for others.
Maskers try to justify their use by science and evidence they believe in whether others believe it or not.

Thank goodness they're never called "stupid, "ignorant' or "selfish"...

That would be a total lack of empathy towards them...

Oh, wait, does that only work one way?

Me? I may choose to wear a mask when indoors or outdoors due to pollen, mold or mildew, or in an environment that I feel may provide a higher probability for germs of any kind, including covid virus. I know the mask, any mask, is not 100% fool proof. But, like a screen on an open window, it will lessen amount of contaminants coming in or out thus lowering contaminant "loading". Hey, my life, my choice. "Judge ye not, lest ye, yourself be judged".

Yet you just judged others... Color me confused...

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

With over 800,000 dead (plus another 1,300 every day currently), the numbers seem to be in favor of COVID being more dangerous. But maybe not, how many hundreds of thousands have died so far from the fear of COVID?

800,000 worldwide in two years from Covid per your stats.
500,000 to 1,000,000 worldwide in two years from influenza. (Source: Global mortality associated with seasonal influenza epidemics: New burden estimates and predictors from the GLaMOR Project)

Have you ever stayed home, in your decades walking this earth, paranoid you were going to die from the flu, while the media and government whipped that fear into a frenzy?
Asking for a friend...

Fear is the mindkiller. Clearly the fear is far more dangerous and economically devastating than the disease.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

800,000 worldwide in two years from Covid per your stats.
500,000 to 1,000,000 worldwide in two years from influenza. (Source: Global mortality associated with seasonal influenza epidemics: New burden estimates and predictors from the GLaMOR Project)

Have you ever stayed home, in your decades walking this earth, paranoid you were going to die from the flu, while the media and government whipped that fear into a frenzy?
Asking for a friend...

Fear is the mindkiller. Clearly the fear is far more dangerous and economically devastating than the disease.

800,000 in the US. The worldwide number is more like 5,440,000.

I wasn't alive yet when the flu killed over 500,000 in the US in a single year. If it happens again then yes, absolutely I will stay home.