[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by I'm Popeye!

Have you seen the Traffic on Rolling Acres, especially around school time (2:30 - 3:30 PM) or people getting off work (4-6 PM)? Probably not!

Definitely not, can you imagine putting golf carts on that road?

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by I'm Popeye!

Really?
This picture below was posted by someone earlier...
Only 11 carts at the moment; imagine another 22 more, according to your calculations!
. . . . . . . 33 more cars/golf carts at most. Hmmmm...

If the gate person had a modicum of sense/initiative, stopping the inbound vehicles for 30 seconds would see that lot away.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by I'm Popeye!

Really?
This picture below was posted by someone earlier...
Only 11 carts at the moment; imagine another 22 more, according to your calculations!
. . . . . . . 33 more cars/golf carts at most. Hmmmm...

Because all 22 of the extras will be at that place at that time? Unless they are organizing a parade, it's highly doubtful.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by I'm Popeye!

Really?
This picture below was posted by someone earlier...
Only 11 carts at the moment; imagine another 22 more, according to your calculations!
. . . . . . . 33 more cars/golf carts at most. Hmmmm...

/// Golfing Eagles beat me to it...

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

/// Golfing Eagles beat me to it...

You snooze, you lose

[Patzy]

"I do not support ANY efforts to create a multi-model option on Morse Blvd. Because I believe the group focused on the wrong alternative based on what was stated as a Safety Issue and the solution was supposed to improve road safety for golf cars. Yes, there are bicycles, but the major issue is golf car safety, as is stated by the folks supporting the Multi-model project.

I submit that if the problem is Morse isn't safe for golf cars and bicycles, the root cause is speed. Everyone speeds on Morse. The Villages/Sumter County has correctly identified the top speed for this road at 30 mph and golf cars should only be doing 20.

If EVERYONE drove the speed limit two things happen which lead to a safer road for everyone. First, at a slower speed, EVERYONE has more reaction time which is critical in road safety and it's the biggest way that risk and safety are balanced. An example is construction areas. It's exactly why speed is reduced. The second unintended consequence benefit is that if there were reduced speeds the commercial traffic would choose a different route. Both of these lead to less traffic, traveling much slower, and increased reaction time; which equals greater safety and fewer accidents.

So, you say, well "no Kidding", Of course, we want everyone to drive the speed limit, but they don't.

In my opinion, before our CDD1 money was spent to seek a solution that is trying to solve an amenity issue (multi-model path); the first alternative should have been to lobby the Sheriff to install automatic ticketing at two locations on Morse.

Here's another area where I disagree with the path CDD 1 is pursuing. This is clearly a Sumter Country Sheriffs' office responsibility. The rumor is that they know this, but don't have the resources to have cars managing the speed. And if so, I understand this. Statistically, according to multiple traffic studies, while Morse is dangerous in some perspectives, it isn't as dangerous as other Sumter County roads which thus warrants the additional law enforcement oversight.

And here's the beauty of this shift of responsibility to the Sumter County Sheriff, Florida allows automatic ticketing for speeding. This year, Gov. Ron DeSantis, approved HB 657, the governor makes speed cameras legal in Florida. Initially for school zones; however, I believe that our unique residential multi-use road is a perfect situation to request the use here.

I would rather we would have spent the money to seek this solution. Which then places the installation and residual maintenance on Sumter County, where it should be.

I have just started to speak out about this. I hope that CDD1 residents are not emotionally captured by the narrative that we need a multi-model path.

It wasn't here to begin with and there are enough other locations in the Villages that have this.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Patzy

"I do not support ANY efforts to create a multi-model option on Morse Blvd. Because I believe the group focused on the wrong alternative based on what was stated as a Safety Issue and the solution was supposed to improve road safety for golf cars. Yes, there are bicycles, but the major issue is golf car safety, as is stated by the folks supporting the Multi-model project.

I submit that if the problem is Morse isn't safe for golf cars and bicycles, the root cause is speed. Everyone speeds on Morse. The Villages/Sumter County has correctly identified the top speed for this road at 30 mph and golf cars should only be doing 20.

If EVERYONE drove the speed limit two things happen which lead to a safer road for everyone. First, at a slower speed, EVERYONE has more reaction time which is critical in road safety and it's the biggest way that risk and safety are balanced. An example is construction areas. It's exactly why speed is reduced. The second unintended consequence benefit is that if there were reduced speeds the commercial traffic would choose a different route. Both of these lead to less traffic, traveling much slower, and increased reaction time; which equals greater safety and fewer accidents.

So, you say, well "no Kidding", Of course, we want everyone to drive the speed limit, but they don't.

In my opinion, before our CDD1 money was spent to seek a solution that is trying to solve an amenity issue (multi-model path); the first alternative should have been to lobby the Sheriff to install automatic ticketing at two locations on Morse.

Here's another area where I disagree with the path CDD 1 is pursuing. This is clearly a Sumter Country Sheriffs' office responsibility. The rumor is that they know this, but don't have the resources to have cars managing the speed. And if so, I understand this. Statistically, according to multiple traffic studies, while Morse is dangerous in some perspectives, it isn't as dangerous as other Sumter County roads which thus warrants the additional law enforcement oversight.

And here's the beauty of this shift of responsibility to the Sumter County Sheriff, Florida allows automatic ticketing for speeding. This year, Gov. Ron DeSantis, approved HB 657, the governor makes speed cameras legal in Florida. Initially for school zones; however, I believe that our unique residential multi-use road is a perfect situation to request the use here.

I would rather we would have spent the money to seek this solution. Which then places the installation and residual maintenance on Sumter County, where it should be.

I have just started to speak out about this. I hope that CDD1 residents are not emotionally captured by the narrative that we need a multi-model path.

It wasn't here to begin with and there are enough other locations in the Villages that have this.

Nice post, unfortunately it loses most of its meaning once you realize that statistically slow drivers cause more accidents than speeders

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Nice post, unfortunately it loses most of its meaning once you realize that statistically slow drivers cause more accidents than speeders

uh huh...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The problem (to Patzy) with police pulling over speeders: they'd be pulling them over to the exact spot where golf carts can (barely) legally drive. They're not (legally) allowed to drive on Morse, except in the designated lined area in each direction between just past the gate at 466 to just before the roundabout at Paige Place.

If a police car has a car pulled over onto the side of the road, they'll both be blocking golf cart traffic. That forces golf carts (and bicyclers and pedestrians, who are also allowed on that mini-lane) to merge into the 30mph road. It's not a big deal if they're expecting to do that when they're turning left onto a side street or onto the MMP near the gate. It's another matter entirely when it's sudden, when there's already a lot of traffic on the road.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Laker14

uh huh...

Uh huh. Perhaps you missed the half dozen or so links to law enforcement and insurance sites that I posted on other threads showing EXACTLY what I posted. I have no intention of repeating them, but you can do a search if you want to educate yourself. Perhaps you should modify your response to “denying it over and over doesn’t make it true”

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Uh huh. Perhaps you missed the half dozen or so links to law enforcement and insurance sites that I posted on other threads showing EXACTLY what I posted. I have no intention of repeating them, but you can do a search if you want to educate yourself. Perhaps you should modify your response to “denying it over and over doesn’t make it true”

I've read many of those links and what you fail to mention in your repeated references to the issue is that they are referring to drivers who drive " 10mph below the average speed" being 6 times more likely to be involved in an accident.
This being especially a problem on multi-lane roads with the slow driver in the left lane.
What they don't mention is the degree of severity of the accidents and how the severity relates to the speed of the vehicle. They do mention that a significant number of the accidents that are "caused" by slow drivers are the result of impatience on the part of drivers stuck behind slow drivers.

Also, they discuss that slow drivers are often poor drivers, and distracted drivers. Those most likely to drive excessively slowly are older drivers who don't see well, feel intimidated by driving fast, and brand new drivers who aren't yet comfortable in fast traffic.
As dangerous as they are, we really don't want them driving faster.

What your incessant claim that slow drivers are more dangerous than speeders doesn't acknowledge (EVER) is that it is not the overall speed of the driver that makes them dangerous, it's the difference between the speed of the slow driver and the general flow of traffic that makes them dangerous. So, if we are talking about I-95, we have one set of circumstances, and if we are talking about Buena Vista Blvd we have another. The speed limit on BV is 35. If that were enforced at 40mph, we'd see fewer cars going 50, and the poor soul going 30 in the right lane wouldn't be such a danger.

Now, onto the topic at hand: Morse, north of 466. Nowhere in any of your links do they apply this "slow drivers are more dangerous than speeders" logic to roadways shared with golf cars. Again, the speed limit is not enforced. If it were, you'd have less of a differential of speeds between the golf cars and the big cars, and that would make it safer.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The problem (to Patzy) with police pulling over speeders: they'd be pulling them over to the exact spot where golf carts can (barely) legally drive. They're not (legally) allowed to drive on Morse, except in the designated lined area in each direction between just past the gate at 466 to just before the roundabout at Paige Place.

If a police car has a car pulled over onto the side of the road, they'll both be blocking golf cart traffic. That forces golf carts (and bicyclers and pedestrians, who are also allowed on that mini-lane) to merge into the 30mph road. It's not a big deal if they're expecting to do that when they're turning left onto a side street or onto the MMP near the gate. It's another matter entirely when it's sudden, when there's already a lot of traffic on the road.

I agree. That is a problem. However, it needs to be done and addressed in the safest possible manner. One way would be to pull the car over and direct the car to a side street or mailbox station, depending upon where on the road the car was pulled over. They wouldn't need to park there for the entire duration of the traffic stop. The alternative, no enforcement ever, is more dangerous than enforcing in a sensible way.

[Patzy]

Not looking for police on Morse. Recommending automatic ticketing which doesn't require any law enforcement presence.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Laker14

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Now, onto the topic at hand: Morse, north of 466. Nowhere in any of your links do they apply this "slow drivers are more dangerous than speeders" logic to roadways shared with golf cars. Again, the speed limit is not enforced. If it were, you'd have less of a differential of speeds between the golf cars and the big cars, and that would make it safer.

A lot to dispute in the missing section but I'm confident others will take care of that.

In this paragraph I really wonder: Most (all?) of the cart/car accidents involve the cart pulling into the path of an automobile. Most (all?) of the injuries are due to the cart occupant being ejected from the cart. So if enforcing or lowering the speeds of the big cars will make it safer then how low do those speeds need to go? At what speed would a car need to be traveling such that it would be safe for a golf cart to pull into its path with less possibility that the occupant would be ejected?

[Patzy]

Originally Posted by Laker14

I agree. That is a problem. However, it needs to be done and addressed in the safest possible manner. One way would be to pull the car over and direct the car to a side street or mailbox station, depending upon where on the road the car was pulled over. They wouldn't need to park there for the entire duration of the traffic stop. The alternative, no enforcement ever, is more dangerous than enforcing in a sensible way.

I'm really recommending automatic ticketing for speeding in two locations on Morse. Halfway between the entrances and the 1st traffic light. Doesn't require any play enforcement. If you speed, you automatically get a speeding ticket sent to the license plate owner. Not sure how this works with rentals, but the plate is tied to the driver. To me, this is a better result for the amount of money and effort in trying to create multi-model paths.