[cjrjck]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Perhaps the gate attendants should be more concerned about a safe flow of traffic north of the gate and not worry about traffic backing up. There is a light and turn lanes on 466 to hold the additional traffic safely south of the gate. North of the gate there is a merge and a crossing making it less safe.

Bonus to letting traffic back up to 466: A backup on 466 will generate more complaints to Sumter County to find ways to fix the problem. We may not like whatever fix they come up with, but maybe something is better than the nothing that is happening now.

Typical NY response. Or they could just move the golf cart crossover farther north to where it can be more safely executed and not interfere with the gate operations at 466.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by cjrjck

Typical NY response. Or they could just move the golf cart crossover farther north to where it can be more safely executed and not interfere with the gate operations at 466.

When you say a "typical NY response" are you referring to Buffalo, NY, Fredonia NY, perhaps Rochester? Old Forge maybe?

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Sorry to be ambiguous. I don’t speed and I think the laws should be enforced. But I don’t think the problems on Morse are speed related as much as a failure to yield the right of way

I think that's a sensible answer. Most accidents are the result of a failure to yield, I would guess.
I think it's also sensible to consider that speed differential between golf cars and automobiles may contribute to that. I'm pretty sure that's why there is a law that makes 30mph the max speed limit allowed on a roadway open to both types of vehicles.

While nothing is going to make the roadway idiot-proof, and since it is unlikely that anyone is going to totally rebuild the roadway to make it look like Buena Vista, it seems to me that a good start would be to enforce the speed limit in order to get drivers to use the roadway within the intended design, and see if that doesn't at least help.

And I agree that the biggest problem is the cross-over.

[cjrjck]

Originally Posted by Laker14

When you say a "typical NY response" are you referring to Buffalo, NY, Fredonia NY, perhaps Rochester? Old Forge maybe?

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[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by cjrjck

Typical NY response. Or they could just move the golf cart crossover farther north to where it can be more safely executed and not interfere with the gate operations at 466.

Remember, the purpose of the gate is to make the area safer for the golf carts. The golf carts don't interfere with the operation of the gate, the golf carts are the reason for the gate.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Laker14

I think that's a sensible answer. Most accidents are the result of a failure to yield, I would guess.
I think it's also sensible to consider that speed differential between golf cars and automobiles may contribute to that. I'm pretty sure that's why there is a law that makes 30mph the max speed limit allowed on a roadway open to both types of vehicles.

While nothing is going to make the roadway idiot-proof, and since it is unlikely that anyone is going to totally rebuild the roadway to make it look like Buena Vista, it seems to me that a good start would be to enforce the speed limit in order to get drivers to use the roadway within the intended design, and see if that doesn't at least help.

And I agree that the biggest problem is the cross-over.

Assuming you mean the crossover just north of the gate, why do you say that is the biggest problem? I don't recall any crashes there.

Maybe there is a need for more speed enforcement but will that improve the odds of survival when a golf cart turns into the path of an automobile? Getting hit at 30mph is going to result in some damage.

[cjrjck]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Remember, the purpose of the gate is to make the area safer for the golf carts. The golf carts don't interfere with the operation of the gate, the golf carts are the reason for the gate.

The two gates on Morris north of 466 are there so that each of the roads intersecting Morris between 466 and El Camino Real/ Paige Place do not have to have their own gates like they do south of 466. Remove those two gates and by my quick count TV would have to put up an additional 23 gates.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by cjrjck

The two gates on Morris north of 466 are there so that each of the roads intersecting Morris between 466 and El Camino Real/ Paige Place do not have to have their own gates like they do south of 466. Remove those two gates and by my quick count TV would have to put up an additional 23 gates.

Or, like the gates on Hillsborough and Pinellas and countless others, they are there to slow traffic entering an area where golf carts share the road.

[DonH57]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Assuming you mean the crossover just north of the gate, why do you say that is the biggest problem? I don't recall any crashes there.

Maybe there is a need for more speed enforcement but will that improve the odds of survival when a golf cart turns into the path of an automobile? Getting hit at 30mph is going to result in some damage.

I don't recall any crashes there either. I'm sure it's happened as I've seen close calls by carts playing chicken with cars or cars gunning thru the gate like they saw the green on the christmas tree!

[cjrjck]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Or, like the gates on Hillsborough and Pinellas and countless others, they are there to slow traffic entering an area where golf carts share the road.

I know you are just being silly now. The gates primary purpose are to serve as an entrance and egress into TV. Somewhat unique is the fact that if you are on Morris between El Camino Real and 466 you do not go through a gate to enter or exit any of the neighborhoods along that stretch of the road. In fact, you can turn on several roads like Rio Grande and do not pass through a gate until you technically exit TV. If the main purpose of gates is to slow traffic where golf carts share the road, then the dozens and dozens of locations where roads intersect Morris and Rio Grande that are lacking such protections. As for Pinellas and Hillsborough, think. There are no entry gates on Morris or Buena Vista south of 466 so all traffic wanting access to residences in TV must enter and exit a gate somewhere.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Assuming you mean the crossover just north of the gate, why do you say that is the biggest problem? I don't recall any crashes there.

Maybe there is a need for more speed enforcement but will that improve the odds of survival when a golf cart turns into the path of an automobile? Getting hit at 30mph is going to result in some damage.

I say it's the biggest problem because it's heavily congested. The traffic moving southbound as you approach it is busy, and the golf cars have to cross over the auto traffic, and then make a left turn across a steady stream of traffic coming out of the gate.

As far as 30mph speeds not increasing the chance of survival, you may be right, but it should increase the chance of not having the collision in the first place.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by cjrjck

Or they could just move the golf cart crossover farther north to where it can be more safely executed and not interfere with the gate operations at 466.

And where would you suggest the southbound carts drive once they crossover farther north of the gate?

[Normal]

If all traffic was slowed to 20 mph at the gate, then there would be less competition for pole position. Cars and carts would be arched evenly for speed and you wouldn’t necessarily get that last car ramp up of speed?

[cjrjck]

Originally Posted by Normal

If all traffic was slowed to 20 mph at the gate, then there would be less competition for pole position. Cars and carts would be arched evenly for speed and you wouldn’t necessarily get that last car ramp up of speed?

I am not sure I understand. Northbound traffic comes to a stop or near stop at the gate. The resident lane has to card in. The visitor lane has to wait to be waved in. Southbound traffic has to watch for the gate arms to come down. They default in the down position. If you see them up as you approach you need to slow down in case they come down before you can trip the sensor. Bottom line is the gate is no place for a golf cart crossing.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by cjrjck

I am not sure I understand. Northbound traffic comes to a stop or near stop at the gate. The resident lane has to card in. The visitor lane has to wait to be waved in. Southbound traffic has to watch for the gate arms to come down. They default in the down position. If you see them up as you approach you need to slow down in case they come down before you can trip the sensor. Bottom line is the gate is no place for a golf cart crossing.

Again, the gate is there FOR the golf cart crossing.

One of the problems is the cars in the northbound visitors lane are sometimes waived through at two or three visitors to one resident. Discontinue that practice, maybe drop the visitor gate between vehicles, and the dangerous crossing gets much less dangerous.