[Pturner]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Think of it this way: Everything you do from the time you get up in the morning until you go to bed at night, from the food you eat to the water you use to flush your toilet, the Morse family gets a cut. It's like living in an old mill town where the mill owner owned everything and let the workers live there as long as they abide by all the rules. Just pray that the Morse family doesn't get perped walked by the IRS out of here to the big house where Bernie Madoff resides.

Hi Jan,
There's something about this argument I don't get. "Everything you do from the time you get up in the morning until you go to bed at night..." somebody gets a cut.

Make that many, many somebodies. The manufacturers, distributors and retailers, and their employees, lawyers, accountants, and scientists, inventors, investors, bankers, etc. all get a cut, whether for your mattress, your toothbrush, the toilet you flush, the road you drive on, the clothes you wear, the activities you're involved in, the programs you watch and on and on.

Now the Morse's were entrepreneurial enough, visionary enough, savvy enough, hard working enough to build a fabulous community like no other on earth that would also provide a need for other goods and services that they were enterprising enough to supply and for the goods and services sold by other businesses to whom they lease.

Therefore yes, the Morse's get a cut from many of your activities. They are among the many somebodies who get a cut from everything you do from the time you get up in the morning until you go to bed at night. If they didn't get their particular cuts, another supplier would.

When you think of it this way... what's the problem?

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Hi Jan,
There's something about this argument I don't get. "Everything you do from the time you get up in the morning until you go to bed at night..." somebody gets a cut.

Make that many, many somebodies. The manufacturers, distributors and retailers, and their employees, lawyers, accountants, and scientists, inventors, investors, bankers, etc. all get a cut, whether for your mattress, your toothbrush, the toilet you flush, the road you drive on, the clothes you wear, the activities you're involved in, the programs you watch and on and on.

Now the Morse's were entrepreneurial enough, visionary enough, savvy enough, hard working enough to build a fabulous community like no other on earth that would also provide a need for other goods and services that they were enterprising enough to supply and for the goods and services sold by other businesses to whom they lease.

Therefore yes, the Morse's get a cut from many of your activities. They are among the many somebodies who get a cut from everything you do from the time you get up in the morning until you go to bed at night. If they didn't get their particular cuts, another supplier would.

When you think of it this way... what's the problem?

Hey Phyllis don't forget the government's cut or you'll end up in the big house! Great post.

[Grannynance]

By reading some of your posts I take it that you are not a great fan of tv

If you moved here and didn't know any of this ahead of time...Shame on you.

You people remind me of the guy who bought a beautiful home in Chatam.

After they moved here they found out there are train tracks very close to

their house. They blamed everyone but themselves. They left finally. Nobody

put a gun to their head to move here and nobody was holding a gun to their

head to stay. I don't think they were happy here. I give them credit for doing

what it took to be happier. Life is to short. You could get killed crossing

466 on a bike or die in a fire at a pizza joint with dirty restrooms.

I'm 62 and have been retired 18 years as of last Saturday. This is the place

for my wife and me. We couldn't be happier. BUT...It's not for everyone.

[swimdawg]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Hi Jan,
There's something about this argument I don't get. "Everything you do from the time you get up in the morning until you go to bed at night..." somebody gets a cut.

Make that many, many somebodies. The manufacturers, distributors and retailers, and their employees, lawyers, accountants, and scientists, inventors, investors, bankers, etc. all get a cut, whether for your mattress, your toothbrush, the toilet you flush, the road you drive on, the clothes you wear, the activities you're involved in, the programs you watch and on and on.

Now the Morse's were entrepreneurial enough, visionary enough, savvy enough, hard working enough to build a fabulous community like no other on earth that would also provide a need for other goods and services that they were enterprising enough to supply and for the goods and services sold by other businesses to whom they lease.

Therefore yes, the Morse's get a cut from many of your activities. They are among the many somebodies who get a cut from everything you do from the time you get up in the morning until you go to bed at night. If they didn't get their particular cuts, another supplier would.

When you think of it this way... what's the problem?

Love this post! Great!!!!

And of course it gets the SWIMDAWG Post of the Day Award!

Oh yes!

[Larry Wilson]

I was referring to comparing this place to a Ford or Heinz. Ford or Heinz don't have bonds or amenity fees.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by janmcn
Think of it this way: Everything you do from the time you get up in the morning until you go to bed at night, from the food you eat to the water you use to flush your toilet, the Morse family gets a cut. It's like living in an old mill town where the mill owner owned everything and let the workers live there as long as they abide by all the rules. Just pray that the Morse family doesn't get perped walked by the IRS out of here to the big house where Bernie Madoff resides.

Everyone benefits when the county's tax base grows because of growth, while others are stagnant or shrinking.

The Villages: Engine for growth

October 13, 2010 | By Orlando Sentinel Staff

THE VILLAGES —Construction is nearly complete on a new Tire Choice store at the megaretirement community, which has escaped the worst ravages of the economic collapse.

The Orlando Sentinel reported last week that The Villages is credited with boosting Sumter County to No. 1 position among counties based on the percentage of its tax base connected to growth. Figures show that 6 percent of Sumter's tax base consisted of construction activity. To put that in perspective, consider that only 1 percent of local tax bases are tied to growth this year across Florida.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-sumter-county

Florida counties' 2010 construction leaders

October 07, 2010

Construction leaders among Florida counties in 2010

Preliminary figures, based on construction as a percentage of total county tax base:

County | 2010 tax base | New construction | % of tax base
Sumter $6.2 billion $383 million 6.2%
Glades $590 million $13 million 2.2%
Gilchrist $632 million $13 million 2.0%
Orange $84.1 billion $1.7 billion 2.0%
Lafayette $219 million $4 million 1.9%
Polk $26.1 billion $481 million 1.8%
Duval $49.6 billion $858 million 1.7%
Hernando $8.2 billion $138 million 1.7%
Gadsden $1.4 billion $22 million 1.6%
Collier $61.8 billion $997 million 1.6%
SOURCE: Florida Department of Revenue"

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...ction-counties

[BigLew]

Originally Posted by Larry Wilson

I was referring to comparing this place to a Ford or Heinz. Ford or Heinz don't have bonds or amenity fees.

au contraire, I knew that it would continue to cost me in maintenance and fuel for as long as I owned it, and I did pay to add options (amenities) to my base car.

[Dirigo]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Hi Jan,
There's something about this argument I don't get. "Everything you do from the time you get up in the morning until you go to bed at night..." somebody gets a cut.

Make that many, many somebodies. The manufacturers, distributors and retailers, and their employees, lawyers, accountants, and scientists, inventors, investors, bankers, etc. all get a cut, whether for your mattress, your toothbrush, the toilet you flush, the road you drive on, the clothes you wear, the activities you're involved in, the programs you watch and on and on.

Now the Morse's were entrepreneurial enough, visionary enough, savvy enough, hard working enough to build a fabulous community like no other on earth that would also provide a need for other goods and services that they were enterprising enough to supply and for the goods and services sold by other businesses to whom they lease.

Therefore yes, the Morse's get a cut from many of your activities. They are among the many somebodies who get a cut from everything you do from the time you get up in the morning until you go to bed at night. If they didn't get their particular cuts, another supplier would.

When you think of it this way... what's the problem?

I think what Morses get is more like a premium than a cut when it comes to retailers. I think they charge so much for rent to places like Sweet Bay and Publix that the supermarkets have to boost thier prices to make their margin.

Now I understand this and don't have a problem with it...one must expect to pay a premium for that "something extra"...in TV's case, golf cart accessability. On Thanksgiving I had to dash to SB to get a quart of whipping cream. I paid a premium for it over the cost I would have paid in Wildwood. But I dashed over the river and through the woods to SB in my golf cart. I like having a SB *inside* TV.

When I have more time I travel outside TV to get better prices on goods.

On public services, I'm sure the Morses get a cut, but that's OK too...I'm the CUSTOMER. They serve ME! They provide something I wanted and sought to obtain...and I have to expect to pay for it.

[billethkid]

it is becoming an urban legend...the story of businesses not able to make it in TV because of high rent. The rent is exactly the same today as it was any day any retailer signed their lease. Some businesses do not make revenues as projected and that has absolutely nothing to do with the rent. It has all to do with being competitive, good quality, good service and the right price.

Too many businesses come here with stars in their eyes and optomism in their projections. And when they are not doing as expected they bad mouth TV rent structure. The rent rates for commercial property here in TV is no more expensive than in any other comparable quality shoping/mall location.

I am not propping up TV developers in any way, however, I do think it is unfair to the many, MANY successful businesses here in TV that are doing just fine and growing with the growth of TV.

It ain't the rent!!!

btk

[missypie]

Originally Posted by billethkid

it is becoming an urban legend...the story of businesses not able to make it in TV because of high rent. The rent is exactly the same today as it was any day any retailer signed their lease. Some businesses do not make revenues as projected and that has absolutely nothing to do with the rent. It has all to do with being competitive, good quality, good service and the right price.

Too many businesses come here with stars in their eyes and optomism in their projections. And when they are not doing as expected they bad mouth TV rent structure. The rent rates for commercial property here in TV is no more expensive than in any other comparable quality shoping/mall location.

I am not propping up TV developers in any way, however, I do think it is unfair to the many, MANY successful businesses here in TV that are doing just fine and growing with the growth of TV.

It ain't the rent!!!

btk

You must know many small business people in TV. I think when people open up a business with their hard earned money they do have "Stars in their Eyes" as most people do when they open up a business putting all their savings into their "dream". I am guessing it's the ole American dream.

Opening up a business is so different than working for a company and then after many years of hard work getting a pension. Everyone has their own "dream" in life.

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by missypie

You must know many small business people in TV. I think when people open up a business with their hard earned money they do have "Stars in their Eyes" as most people do when they open up a business putting all their savings into their "dream". I am guessing it's the ole American dream.

Opening up a business is so different than working for a company and then after many years of hard work getting a pension. Everyone has their own "dream" in life.

I haven't seen the statistics lately, but 10 years ago 80% of small businesses failed in the first year. Many people start business with a dream, but soon reality hits. One of my best friends and a former employee decided he wanted to start a resturaunt/bar with another friend of his - six months later the "friend" had fled the coop leaving him holding the bag as the resturaunt failed. He worked for 5 years to pay off the debts and finally, despite superhuman effort, he had to declare bankrupcy. Ir is most definitely not for everybody - you'd better be tough and financially prepared to weather the storm for the first couple years.

[Dirigo]

Originally Posted by billethkid

it is becoming an urban legend...the story of businesses not able to make it in TV because of high rent. The rent is exactly the same today as it was any day any retailer signed their lease. Some businesses do not make revenues as projected and that has absolutely nothing to do with the rent. It has all to do with being competitive, good quality, good service and the right price.

Too many businesses come here with stars in their eyes and optomism in their projections. And when they are not doing as expected they bad mouth TV rent structure. The rent rates for commercial property here in TV is no more expensive than in any other comparable quality shoping/mall location.

I am not propping up TV developers in any way, however, I do think it is unfair to the many, MANY successful businesses here in TV that are doing just fine and growing with the growth of TV.

It ain't the rent!!!

btk

Where do you get your information on area commercial lease rates?

[Taj44]

Originally Posted by Dirigo

I think what Morses get is more like a premium than a cut when it comes to retailers. I think they charge so much for rent to places like Sweet Bay and Publix that the supermarkets have to boost thier prices to make their margin.

Now I understand this and don't have a problem with it...one must expect to pay a premium for that "something extra"...in TV's case, golf cart accessability. On Thanksgiving I had to dash to SB to get a quart of whipping cream. I paid a premium for it over the cost I would have paid in Wildwood. But I dashed over the river and through the woods to SB in my golf cart. I like having a SB *inside* TV.

When I have more time I travel outside TV to get better prices on goods.

On public services, I'm sure the Morses get a cut, but that's OK too...I'm the CUSTOMER. They serve ME! They provide something I wanted and sought to obtain...and I have to expect to pay for it.

Why should we have to pay higher prices at grocery stores here just because they happen to be golf cart accessible? They have a terrific market here - 80,000 + retired people guarantees a pretty good profit even if they keep their prices what they should be. And I do expect if Morse wasn't charging premium rents, and taking a cut of profits, our prices at the local stores would be lower.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Taj44

Why should we have to pay higher prices at grocery stores here just because they happen to be golf cart accessible? They have a terrific market here - 80,000 + retired people guarantees a pretty good profit even if they keep their prices what they should be. And I do expect if Morse wasn't charging premium rents, and taking a cut of profits, our prices at the local stores would be lower.

I have been told that the Krogers store near where we used to live charged more than the one in the inner city.

Now it could be those danged Republican developers and it could be the marketing tactic of the grocery store chains too.