[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I disagree. I am, in fact, entitled to maintain speed and continue traveling regardless of whether someone is attempting to pass or not.

Nowhere is it written that one must drive "pedal to the metal." What *is* written is that golf carts can travel at a speed not to exceed 20mph. In the case of my cart, "pedal to the metal" does not exceed 20mph and is therefore a perfectly acceptable technique.

Except for two very specific cases, my driving technique is not dictated by the driver behind me. If someone feels they should pass me then let them. I will not increase my speed, that is illegal and unsafe, but I am under no obligation to decrease my speed either. If the driver attempting to pass misjudged, the responsibility for correcting that misjudgment sits with him, not me.

Two specific cases: 1. If I am in the leftmost lane and a faster car is approaching from behind then I must move to the right. 2. If an emergency vehicle with lights or siren is approaching from behind then I must pull to the nearest curb and stop.

Obvious: I must take all necessary actions to avoid an accident. However, I am under no obligation to assist another driver in correcting his mistake.

If you re-read my post, you will see that in essence we agree. Though you are under no obligation to aid someone who misjudged their ability to pass, for the sake of safety and courtesy, easing off the throttle might make a lot of sense. They will thank you instead of cursing you, and you show yourself to be the bigger person. Letting someone pass in no way makes you a loser.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

If you re-read my post, you will see that in essence we agree.

I see that now. I overlooked that sentence.

Though you are under no obligation to aid someone who misjudged their ability to pass, for the sake of safety and courtesy, easing off the throttle might make a lot of sense. They will thank you instead of cursing you, and you show yourself to be the bigger person. Letting someone pass in no way makes you a loser.

Tough sometimes to tell the difference between being courteous, being a sucker, and being an enabler.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by kansasr

We need a new category here "Topics that have been beat to death, but someone new has an opinion."

….that doesn’t read previous posts.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

What I mean by a real disaster is if the gun violence we see on TV every week came to The Village. Suppose 2 shooters killed 20 people at one of the squares. And if that did happen, it would prove that I was NOT wrong about the need for some kind of fast acting Police force. I don't care if they are called Sheriffs or Police force as long as they react quickly and keep people safe around The Villages.
..........There are also a lot of high tech Police equipment - like drones that could improve safety in The Villages.

Recent shooting in KC, 900+ police officers on duty. And at least 2 people who had, but shouldn’t have had guns, start shooting. My guess all capable officers….but they can’t be every six feet..
Does the local sheriff’s office have drones? I don’t know do you?
improve safety…..is it bad?

Your assumptions don’t make sense…..

[HORNET]

This used to be a friendly place, got too big, and some think that they entitled. Just learn to watch you back!

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I see that now. I overlooked that sentence.



Tough sometimes to tell the difference between being courteous, being a sucker, and being an enabler.

Personally, I'd rather have the pushy ones in front where I can keep an eye on them. I consider that as enabling myself. 😉

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by Triker

The Villages descriptions of a multi modal path includes sharing with pedestrians.

Can someone please explain to me why the majority of golf carts do not want to share the path with pedestrians or bicycles. It’s not that difficult.



From the villages website.

Share the Path

"Who is allowed to use the multi-modal paths throughout The Villages?” This is a question that the District receives on a regular basis. The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians and skaters. It is not legal…nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages. For additional information, please click on the header of this announcement to read a memo from District Counsel regarding the use of multi-modal paths.
Effective July 1, 2013, The Florida Legislature amended FS 319.14 to allow the conversion of a Low Speed Vehicle (LSV) to a golf cart. For additional information on the process of converting a LSV to a golf cart, please click on the following link: Low Speed Vehicles.

Didn't we just do this last week?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

Didn't we just do this last week?

Yeah! Ain't it great! Such fun!

[jswirs]

When i see these post I just cannot understand what the problem is. I have used those paths on my bicycle almost every day for over a year. Never had even the hint of a problem.

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Just now: going south on MMP to Colony cottage, in sharp turn cart is coming at me in my lane, behind him another cart, in my lane. Both are trying to get by a recumbent bicyclist struggling with the hill. I looked to see if there was any room to swerve - no - curb etc looked behind me, no one, so applied brake forcefully. We passed each other, practically touching mirrors. The carts were obviously frustrated with the slow moving vehicle to take such a chance.

So? That part of life in the Villages. Share the path and have patience or stay off it

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Girlcopper

So? That part of life in the Villages. Share the path and have patience or stay off it

Let me rephrase this quote for you:

Yes, part of the life in the villages now is that Villagers are no longer rules following / courteous citizens, but now entitled to do whatever they want, regressed to early teenager years, because now society owes them after they had to put up with a job and social responsibility, so shut up, have patience, or stay out of TV. .

is that about right? As Velvet was performing her part as you describe, but not the other a$$holes. .

[MX rider]

[QUOTE=Girlcopper;2302668]So? That part of life in the Villages. Share the path and have patience or stay off it[/QUOTE

Pretty much sums it up. I would add be courteous as well.

[golfing eagles]

Here's the bottom line on MMPs as I see it:

The only time any issue can arise is when a faster entity wants to pass a slower entity. This is a natural consequence of mixing golf carts and e-bikes that are doing 20 (+), bicycles that are riding anywhere from 5-20, and pedestrians at 3-4.

Since these are narrow 2 "lane" paths, a faster entity will often encounter a slower one. There is nothing wrong with passing the slower entity SAFELY. This means pass on a straight section with good visibility of oncoming traffic, giving enough room, and not passing when approaching a blind curve. It is also incumbent upon the entity getting passed not to speed up or doing anything else to impede the passing vehicle. All too often there are "parade leaders" that want to be first at 15 mph but don't want to be passed. We see it all the time on roads with cart lanes as a cart will speed through a stop sign cutting off an approaching cart and then lollygag at 14 mph. It is also incumbent on pedestrians to walk single file when getting passed, although ideally they should walk facing traffic. And cyclists need to move to the right side of the path rather than trying to dictate where and when they will "allow" a faster vehicle to pass---they are not traffic cops, no matter what they think.

But finally, and most importantly, IF IT IS NOT SAFE to pass, be patient, you will get an opportunity. Yes, you may lose 30 or 45 seconds, but save a life, possibly your own, in the process.

[ernpertuc]

I have walked probably a thousand miles on the MMP's. I always make sure I have a bail out and take care to "be seen" on blind curves. Most folks are nice. They will slow down or move over and some have just stopped. I did have one individual stop and yell at me with the old, "You are not supposed to walk here!" When I responded "Since when!" and turned to look at him, he took off.

Most of all when walking make sure you are safe and be ready to move. I always watch the inside front wheel. If it is pointed at me I need to move. If I can walk off the MMP, even if just a bit, then I do when it is busy. Watch out for paths in front of gates ( cars and carts) as well as tunnels. Stay as far left on the tunnels as you can. I always walk on the left hand side to see on coming traffic.

When in my cart I am always watching for bikes, and walkers. If we have too, we stop and wait. Patience is the clue here. There are a lot of speed racers in The Villages and on numerous occasions marvel at how well some recover from a 2 wheel curve. It is actually a miracle more people are not hurt on the MMP's. Most of those who hurt are are in carts and hit things that are not moving.

It is always an adventure! There are a lot of sidewalks in The Villages where I live so some times I just op for safety.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Here's the bottom line on MMPs as I see it:

The only time any issue can arise is when a faster entity wants to pass a slower entity. This is a natural consequence of mixing golf carts and e-bikes that are doing 20 (+), bicycles that are riding anywhere from 5-20, and pedestrians at 3-4.

Since these are narrow 2 "lane" paths, a faster entity will often encounter a slower one. There is nothing wrong with passing the slower entity SAFELY. This means pass on a straight section with good visibility of oncoming traffic, giving enough room, and not passing when approaching a blind curve. It is also incumbent upon the entity getting passed not to speed up or doing anything else to impede the passing vehicle. All too often there are "parade leaders" that want to be first at 15 mph but don't want to be passed. We see it all the time on roads with cart lanes as a cart will speed through a stop sign cutting off an approaching cart and then lollygag at 14 mph. It is also incumbent on pedestrians to walk single file when getting passed, although ideally they should walk facing traffic. And cyclists need to move to the right side of the path rather than trying to dictate where and when they will "allow" a faster vehicle to pass---they are not traffic cops, no matter what they think.

But finally, and most importantly, IF IT IS NOT SAFE to pass, be patient, you will get an opportunity. Yes, you may lose 30 or 45 seconds, but save a life, possibly your own, in the process.

Well said! 2 thumbs up!