[jebartle]

Originally Posted by billethkid

When;

core values mattered!
Discipline and enforcement was expected.
Majority mattered.
Patriotism and pride were ever present.
One was expected to work for monies received.
Accomplishment was earned by ability (not one's color or organizational membership/participation).

To name a few.

Sure wish "cleaning your mouth with soap" punishment for lying was a trend, we could sure use it in this day and age.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by GOLFER54

It saddens me to say this, but the world we all grew up with is Long Gone.

I m very happy it is long gone.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by blueash

Core values still matter. They may not be the values you hold so dear. And there were plenty of people with different values in the 50s but you never heard about it in your community

The majority still matters, but which you might mean white Christian straight people, but we have moved a little bit to recognize that the minority matters also. The Bill of Rights and most of the amendments exist to protect the minority from the majority. Our jury system protects defendants from the will of the majority.

Patriotism still exists. Some are thoughtfully patriotic, some are nativist patriots. Pride, well they have wonderful gay pride parades in every major city. Lots of pride going around

People still are expected to work for money. That's not changed. But we don't let people starve or do without medical care. There were always welfare agencies. Every city had a "poor house". Social workers were a major occupation in the 50s who mostly worked to get social services to needy people.

And "Accomplishment was earned by ability (not one's color or organizational membership/participation)" is complete BS. Do you think Black people were not blocked from jobs because of their color? Do you think women were equally welcomed into high paying professions, or policing, or labor unions? Was it entirely by accident that huge numbers of Irish were cops? Was that all by merit, nothing to do with family members getting you in? Or the same for getting into labor unions? or becoming a dock worker? or getting a bank loan?

Your view of how things used to be merit based is so wrong, unless you mean once you were a white male and from the right church or national origin which got you the job, then making progress might be merit based. But Jews, Blacks, Native Americans, Asians, gays, need not apply.

Those are your good old days, when parents could abuse their children, men could rape their wives and you could call your secretary sweet tits.

YOUR view is duly noted!

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by blueash

Core values still matter. They may not be the values you hold so dear. And there were plenty of people with different values in the 50s but you never heard about it in your community

The majority still matters, but which you might mean white Christian straight people, but we have moved a little bit to recognize that the minority matters also. The Bill of Rights and most of the amendments exist to protect the minority from the majority. Our jury system protects defendants from the will of the majority.

Patriotism still exists. Some are thoughtfully patriotic, some are nativist patriots. Pride, well they have wonderful gay pride parades in every major city. Lots of pride going around

People still are expected to work for money. That's not changed. But we don't let people starve or do without medical care. There were always welfare agencies. Every city had a "poor house". Social workers were a major occupation in the 50s who mostly worked to get social services to needy people.

And "Accomplishment was earned by ability (not one's color or organizational membership/participation)" is complete BS. Do you think Black people were not blocked from jobs because of their color? Do you think women were equally welcomed into high paying professions, or policing, or labor unions? Was it entirely by accident that huge numbers of Irish were cops? Was that all by merit, nothing to do with family members getting you in? Or the same for getting into labor unions? or becoming a dock worker? or getting a bank loan?

Your view of how things used to be merit based is so wrong, unless you mean once you were a white male and from the right church or national origin which got you the job, then making progress might be merit based. But Jews, Blacks, Native Americans, Asians, gays, need not apply.

Those are your good old days, when parents could abuse their children, men could rape their wives and you could call your secretary sweet tits.

Good post. I agree.

[jebartle]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I hate to break bad news to people, but today, right now, in the US of A we have mass quantities of racism, sexism, and much MORE wealth inequity than in the 50s and 60s. I will give some examples although none are needed.
........Inequity......Mostly caused by the lowering of the TAX RATE for the high earners from 1950 to today (look it up) and with small doses of technology, outsourcing, and poor public education.
......Racism........if there were less racism - why are there MORE white supremacists today as opposed to the 1950s. Granted there was a lot of racism in many geographic parts of the US. It has gone underground for a few recent past years, but the LARGE number today of white supremacist organizations proves that it THRIVES today.
......sexism..........Granted sexism was large in the 50s, but it has not gone away despite many gains in that area. The US is one of the only democratic countries to NEVER have a female President or other-titled top leader. Very few US large corporations have female CEOs. Covid has set back many female executives more than males.

Technology and social media puts a magnifying glass on this now, hasn't changed just well publicized.

[zenwaltz]

Although I have read many of the comments to the original post, the author describes perfectly how I grew up in Columbus, Ohio. It was inconceivable to me that I would talk back to my parents. Mores required that you be polite, said please, held doors and addressed adults as "sir or ma'am." When a woman entered the room, you stood. I feel blessed that I grew up during the 60's when we created civil rights litigation, enjoyed the folk music and had the courage to protest a hideous and useless war. We respected teachers, police and authority. There has been no other generation like ours, and probably never will be. Kudos to the author of this post.

[zenwaltz]

yep!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by blueash

Core values still matter. They may not be the values you hold so dear. And there were plenty of people with different values in the 50s but you never heard about it in your community

The majority still matters, but which you might mean white Christian straight people, but we have moved a little bit to recognize that the minority matters also. The Bill of Rights and most of the amendments exist to protect the minority from the majority. Our jury system protects defendants from the will of the majority.

Patriotism still exists. Some are thoughtfully patriotic, some are nativist patriots. Pride, well they have wonderful gay pride parades in every major city. Lots of pride going around

People still are expected to work for money. That's not changed. But we don't let people starve or do without medical care. There were always welfare agencies. Every city had a "poor house". Social workers were a major occupation in the 50s who mostly worked to get social services to needy people.

And "Accomplishment was earned by ability (not one's color or organizational membership/participation)" is complete BS. Do you think Black people were not blocked from jobs because of their color? Do you think women were equally welcomed into high paying professions, or policing, or labor unions? Was it entirely by accident that huge numbers of Irish were cops? Was that all by merit, nothing to do with family members getting you in? Or the same for getting into labor unions? or becoming a dock worker? or getting a bank loan?

Your view of how things used to be merit based is so wrong, unless you mean once you were a white male and from the right church or national origin which got you the job, then making progress might be merit based. But Jews, Blacks, Native Americans, Asians, gays, need not apply.

Those are your good old days, when parents could abuse their children, men could rape their wives and you could call your secretary sweet tits.

Outstanding post. The secretary thing was icing on the cake

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

So, racists are only white, and sexists are only men?

Yes, that is true..... with some small % of exceptions. That is the rule, but ALL rules have some exceptions.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Captainpd

Why would you "challenge" people to repost your post?? 7 paragraphs long, isn't that enough. Pretty much all of us had a great time in the 50-60's. I'm not sure what you post is supposed to do. Those times are gone forever and it's fine to have those memories but DON'T challenge people with it..

He isn't doing any such thing. It's a copy-paste meme from facebook that's been going around for over a decade. It's just spam.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

You are assuming that money is a finite thing. Just because someone gets rich doesn't mean someone else gets poor...

The facts and figures tell the story of increasing wealth disparity (inequities) increasing from about 1970 on. Use the Google machine.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by blueash

Core values still matter. They may not be the values you hold so dear. And there were plenty of people with different values in the 50s but you never heard about it in your community

The majority still matters, but which you might mean white Christian straight people, but we have moved a little bit to recognize that the minority matters also. The Bill of Rights and most of the amendments exist to protect the minority from the majority. Our jury system protects defendants from the will of the majority.

Patriotism still exists. Some are thoughtfully patriotic, some are nativist patriots. Pride, well they have wonderful gay pride parades in every major city. Lots of pride going around

People still are expected to work for money. That's not changed. But we don't let people starve or do without medical care. There were always welfare agencies. Every city had a "poor house". Social workers were a major occupation in the 50s who mostly worked to get social services to needy people.

And "Accomplishment was earned by ability (not one's color or organizational membership/participation)" is complete BS. Do you think Black people were not blocked from jobs because of their color? Do you think women were equally welcomed into high paying professions, or policing, or labor unions? Was it entirely by accident that huge numbers of Irish were cops? Was that all by merit, nothing to do with family members getting you in? Or the same for getting into labor unions? or becoming a dock worker? or getting a bank loan?

Your view of how things used to be merit based is so wrong, unless you mean once you were a white male and from the right church or national origin which got you the job, then making progress might be merit based. But Jews, Blacks, Native Americans, Asians, gays, need not apply.

Those are your good old days, when parents could abuse their children, men could rape their wives and you could call your secretary sweet tits.

Let us not forget the Irish and Italians when THEY immigrated to the USA (many of whom had no documentation). Those with rose-colored glasses for the past might want to remove the cataracts before wasting a dime on a new pair.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by blueash

Core values still matter. They may not be the values you hold so dear. And there were plenty of people with different values in the 50s but you never heard about it in your community

The majority still matters, but which you might mean white Christian straight people, but we have moved a little bit to recognize that the minority matters also. The Bill of Rights and most of the amendments exist to protect the minority from the majority. Our jury system protects defendants from the will of the majority.

Patriotism still exists. Some are thoughtfully patriotic, some are nativist patriots. Pride, well they have wonderful gay pride parades in every major city. Lots of pride going around

People still are expected to work for money. That's not changed. But we don't let people starve or do without medical care. There were always welfare agencies. Every city had a "poor house". Social workers were a major occupation in the 50s who mostly worked to get social services to needy people.

And "Accomplishment was earned by ability (not one's color or organizational membership/participation)" is complete BS. Do you think Black people were not blocked from jobs because of their color? Do you think women were equally welcomed into high paying professions, or policing, or labor unions? Was it entirely by accident that huge numbers of Irish were cops? Was that all by merit, nothing to do with family members getting you in? Or the same for getting into labor unions? or becoming a dock worker? or getting a bank loan?

Your view of how things used to be merit based is so wrong, unless you mean once you were a white male and from the right church or national origin which got you the job, then making progress might be merit based. But Jews, Blacks, Native Americans, Asians, gays, need not apply.

Those are your good old days, when parents could abuse their children, men could rape their wives and you could call your secretary sweet tits.

Ah the old adage I didn't know we were poor until you told me ! Everything was peaches and cream until someone told me I wasn't a "fortunate son". I was so naive tuck and hide under my student desk was normal. What a wonderful life.

[Velvet]

Well, I loved the old days. They were not perfect but some things were great. Today things are not better, they are just different.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Well, I loved the old days. They were not perfect but some things were great. Today things are not better, they are just different.

I think some things are worse today, and some things are better. We need to be careful to not fall into the trap of thinking what we grew up with is RIGHT and change is bad.

Change is just change - it can be good or bad, that is up to us.