Originally Posted by Ben Franklin (Post 1972322)

I'm going to push for skate boards, roller blades, and golf carts to all share the road with bicyclist. If bikes can use the roads designed for safe and efficient flow of vehicle traffic, than anything with wheels should be allowed on roads. Right?

Originally Posted by J1ceasar (Post 1972189)

And yet the other day A large group of bicyclists did not pull over to let me pass they were riding six or eight of breast taking up the full Lane

Originally Posted by Sherry8bal (Post 1972337)

Bicyclists in The Villages think they DON'T have to STOP at ANY stop sign here. They break all kinds of laws.

Originally Posted by Babubhat (Post 1972202)

In five years I have yet to see a bicycle obey a stop sign.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1972311)

Sarcasm noted and appreciated.

Personally, I think coming to an absolute complete stop at a stop sign with no one around is a total waste of time, does nothing to improve safety, and as stated above, not practiced by most drivers of anything with wheels.

I also think 90% of the stop signs on MMPs should be yield signs---they are being treated that way anyway.

That being said, the yield signs should be STRICTLY OBEYED. Want to guess the number one cause of all accidents???? That's right, it is FAILURE TO YIELD THE RIGHT OF WAY.

There are many great examples:

*****On the BV MMP headed north from the Hillsborough gate, you round the curve and have the option of going straight or making a left to go through the tunnel to get to Hendry. There have been severe accidents and many near misses because the person making the left to the tunnel fails to yield to the southbound cart. Because it is only a 30 degree left turn, many think they are going straight and not turning left. They need a sign similar to that by the tunnel under Morse at Saratoga that states "left hand turn yield to straight traffic"
*****Just about any RB as you round towards your exit, a pack of 30 cyclists will blow through the yield sign right in front of you as a single entity. I love to see their faces as I pull up to 3 feet short of them as I lean on the horn. It's like "who, me? I was just playing follow the leader"
*****Then of course , there is the perennial nightmare of the Morse/Paige Pl. RB
*****The tendency of other cart drivers on roads with a cart lane to run right through a stop sign of a side street to get in front of you (and then usually crawl at 13 mph)
*****Then there's the drivers and cyclists who don't bother to stop or yield when exiting a tunnel. This applies to the occasional car that exits a tunnel on a MMP as well

And there's plenty more like this
Bottom line I rather see rolling stops at stop signs than failure to yield when required.

Originally Posted by Tim C. (Post 1972207)

bikes that run through stop signs aren't just a danger to themselves and others, but **** me off. its a sort of arrogance. especially the ones that wear shirts like they are training for the Olympics or something - we used to call them "Spandex Douchebags" on the Pinellas County trails.

Originally Posted by J1ceasar (Post 1972189)

And yet the other day A large group of bicyclists did not pull over to let me pass they were riding six or eight of breast taking up the full Lane

Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 1972295)

The law is that if the lane is less than 14’ wide, the cyclists own the whole lane. There are no lanes in TV that are 14’ wide. That was what point 4 was in the original post. And, we never ride six wide. What you saw was an illusion as the riders were shifted forward and backward from each other, but they might have looked six wide from you point behind the group.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1972346)

That’s your opinion, there is decades of data and countless traffic engineers that would disagree. However, if you roll through a stop because you did not see the oncoming motorcycle and it results in a death, you should be charged with reckless homicide.

I am all for replacing all intersections with round-abouts. But as long as there are stops signs. It is important to stop.

Originally Posted by ThehappypeopleLOL (Post 1972356)

Florida law 316.130(7) prohibits interfering with a pedestrian lawfully in the crosswalk. If there are no traffic control signals or signs, the driver MUST YIELD to a pedestrian in the crosswalk. To help motorists comply with Florida law The Villages should install crosswalk signs at all crossings for pedestrian safety.

Originally Posted by ThehappypeopleLOL (Post 1972356)

Florida law 316.130(7) prohibits interfering with a pedestrian lawfully in the crosswalk. If there are no traffic control signals or signs, the driver MUST YIELD to a pedestrian in the crosswalk. To help motorists comply with Florida law The Villages should install crosswalk signs at all crossings for pedestrian safety.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1972346)

That’s your opinion, there is decades of data and countless traffic engineers that would disagree. However, if you roll through a stop because you did not see the oncoming motorcycle and it results in a death, you should be charged with reckless homicide.

I am all for replacing all intersections with round-abouts. But as long as there are stops signs. It is important to stop.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1972354)

Agree that "six or eight of breast [sic]" is an exaggeration but "own the whole lane" is a rather strong interpretation of the words in the law.

I wonder what road this was on. Where in TV, and outside the squares, is there a roadway used by large groups of bicyclists that does not have a bicycle/MMP lane? No, there is no MMP or bicycle lane on my street but it is so short that a car would not have room to pass a group of eight bicyclists anyway.