Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 1971792)

I would like a 'yield to pedestrians in the cross walk' for the SUV who tried to run over my wife in a recumbent at Pinellas Place and 466a yesterday.

Originally Posted by ThehappypeopleLOL (Post 1972356)

Florida law 316.130(7) prohibits interfering with a pedestrian lawfully in the crosswalk. If there are no traffic control signals or signs, the driver MUST YIELD to a pedestrian in the crosswalk. To help motorists comply with Florida law The Villages should install crosswalk signs at all crossings for pedestrian safety.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1972354)

Agree that "six or eight of breast [sic]" is an exaggeration but "own the whole lane" is a rather strong interpretation of the words in the law.

I wonder what road this was on. Where in TV, and outside the squares, is there a roadway used by large groups of bicyclists that does not have a bicycle/MMP lane? No, there is no MMP or bicycle lane on my street but it is so short that a car would not have room to pass a group of eight bicyclists anyway.

Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 1972366)

As someone who rode MMPs for years before switching to the boulevards, I assure you that the roads are actually safer than the MMPs. Plus, it's hard to get a 50-mile ride into just a few hours if on the MMPs.

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1972375)

It's also important to know that this does NOT give the right for pedestrians to just start crossing at the crosswalk while cars are already approaching it.

If you're already in the crosswalk, cars MUST stop to let you get to the other side. If you're not in the crosswalk yet, you MUST wait until it's safe to do so. It sounds like a no-brainer but apparently it needs to be said. There are people who will just start walking without even trying to look for oncoming traffic, because they just assume people will stop for them. Most of the time people WILL stop for them. But sometimes they don't. And if you are one of the people who is sent to the hospital because you stepped off the curb WHILE someone was already on his way through, you don't get to say "I had the right of way" in the lawsuit.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1972357)

Care to cite any of them?????
Also, I believe the number of traffic engineers, past , present and future are finite, and therefore not "countless":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Also, since I'm in a picky mood, decades is a pleural, therefore there ARE decades of data...

Originally Posted by Dan9871 (Post 1972382)

Since your are in a picky mood... being countable and finite are not the same things.

Thanks to Georg Cantor we know that there are countable and uncountable infinities. Among other things Probability and Alan Turing's "On Computable Numbers..." depend an infinite set of elements that is countable. The integers represent a countably infinite set of elements but the real numbers do not.

:duck:

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1972376)

Fair enough. I wasn't thinking about the major, multi-lane roads (BV, Morse, 466x). Since there are two lanes available, vehicles should not be impeded by bicyclists on those roads anyway. I'm surprised that the lanes on those roads are narrower than 14' but I'm not likely to go measure them.

Originally Posted by Skunky1 (Post 1972164)

If you want to use the crosswalk get off your bike and walk

Originally Posted by Donegalkid (Post 1972201)

Thanks! An excerpt and explanation of bike laws prior to the 7/1/21 changes. Much of it still applies. Note bikes can use sidewalks and crosswalks in FL. The link provides more good explanation.

“What Rules of the Road Must a Bicyclist Follow in Florida?

That depends on where you are riding. If you are riding on the street, you must obey the same traffic laws and rules of the road as the drivers of motor vehicles as well as laws about bicyclists. This requirement includes yielding to all traffic signs and signals. Despite what you may see some other bicyclists doing, you must stop for stoplights and stop signs. You cannot go through a red light even if there is no traffic coming.
If, however, you are riding your bike on a sidewalk or in a crosswalk, Florida law will treat you as a pedestrian. In that situation, you must follow all the Florida laws that apply to walkers, and you have the same rights as them, except that you must yield the right-of-way to pedestrians and call out before passing them.”

Source: Florida Bicycle Laws: What Drivers & Cyclists Should Know

Originally Posted by HogPilot (Post 1972249)

In some states, that is the law. You have to walk the bike.

Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1972175)

Your wife isnt a pedestrian when shes on a bike and was she riding or walking it across the street? How about giving more detailed info rather than slamming the suv drivet

Originally Posted by HogPilot (Post 1972249)

In some states, that is the law. You have to walk the bike.

Originally Posted by kendi (Post 1972286)

I fear for those who ride the recumbent bikes. They are not easy to see even with the flag. Especially if they are riding rather than walking across the street.
BTW, your picture makes it hard to take you seriously. Grumpy.

Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 1972421)

In the state of Florida, you are considered a pedestrian on your bicycle, unless you travel on the roadway with other motorists. Source: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...-_cOgYFby90hoH

But to be Uber specific we used the signal controlled crosswalk and crossed with the signal in the painted, designated cross walk lane when a SUV attempted to run us over. Even more specifically, do automobiles have to yeild to pedestrians in a cross walk'? Why yes they do in every state in the union and every US possession. Still more questions? Florida statute 316.130(7) requires drivers to stop for pedestrians who are in a crosswalk with a walk signal.

Girlhopper please voluntary turn in your driver's license before you main or kill someone. You no longer have the ability to hold a license and safety share the road with the rest of us.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1972430)

Can I assume since this occurred at Pinellas and 466A we are talking about Pinellas Plaza and the traffic light at the east entrance???? If you were crossing with the light, that means the SUV ran a red light. Is that correct???