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tucson 08-14-2013 11:38 AM

Thevillagesfloridabook.com has a good article in it, w/postings from TOTV...

Hancle704 08-14-2013 12:33 PM

I read the "proposal" in the paper. There did not seem to be any agreement mentioned. Leaves me wondering why the developer would want to buy the adjacent home to satisfy the proposer. Maybe there will be a suggestion that it go to the AAC to see if they would approve the expenditure. Lastly, I recall years ago going through there in my golf cart to get to doctor's office and seem to recall there was a small gate operated by resident's gate card. I think the gate was frequently damaged and don't know if it was finally eliminated. Maybe the long term residents of the area would know.

karostay 08-14-2013 02:02 PM

I hear it's going to be a toll gate swipe your villages Id and the toll will be added to you amenities fee $1 either direction :boxing2:

EdV 08-14-2013 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bob47 (Post 725864)
It may be that the developer is power hungry and greedy and controlling, and that contributed to this situation. However, the fact that you continue to stir the pot after a solution has been proposed that seems to address the concerns of all the affected residents makes me wonder about your motiviation.

Perhaps if you have such interest in how things are done in The Villages, you should make an investment in property here.

The VHA proposal most certainly does not address the concerns of all the affected residents.

Now if you want to debate the issue intelligently, fine, but leave out the sarcastic remarks, thank you.

SpicyCajunPugs 08-14-2013 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdV (Post 726110)
The VHA proposal most certainly does not address the concerns of all the affected residents.

Now if you want to debate the issue intelligently, fine, but leave out the sarcastic remarks, thank you.

Everyone needs to calm down, act as adults, and I truly think the rude and nasty remarks need to be halted without delay...it served absolutely no purpose. Please, please:shocked:

rubicon 08-14-2013 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by linko38 (Post 725990)
Exactly. I have friends who live in the Villages. My husband and I are not wealthy by any means. We would drive around admiring landscaping on our golf cart when the weather cooled down. It was a cheap and inexpensive way of enjoying life. The golf cart just added to the fun. I always rented a cart when I had company from the Villages to take people and show them around. Some people actually ended up renting in the Villages looking toward a future home purchase. I'm just really sad that this happened.

linko38: This issue is not personal to me, meaning not a personal affront on anyone. But like you my wife and I like to travel by cart and admire the landscaping too. However, we paid premium dollars for that opportunity.
The Villages is getting very crowded and when all the seasonal residents and renters arrive the cart paths look like I-4. It is only going to get worse when this development is built out. So it is understandable that some residents are sensitive about this issue. I suspect there are a great number of people who live outside the villages that use the cart paths. It was told to me by employees of our golf Administration that outsiders have been sneaking on to our golf courses. Certainly you would agree this is not right or fair?

Having said that perhaps you can understand why some village residents get upset about non residents utilizing their privately and residents financed cart paths.

There is also another perspective here and that is the safety factor of golf carts traveling in and around 441.

Non residents have access to use public roads whether traveling by car or LSV and enjoy many of the amenities here.

I can tell you I had a resident from Stone Crest literally laugh in my face after telling me I was foolish to pay all that money to live in The Villages when he purchased in Stone Crest and still could get the village's lifestyle.

I support the Developer's move to build this wall and hope he does not replace it with a gate because all that is going to do is encourage some to break through the gate time and time again. I suspect the Developer had some real legitimate business reasons for his move.


Personal Best Regards:

EdV 08-14-2013 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeod (Post 725884)
Ed,
I posted in the original thread that I have begun to think that this was done not to keep people out, but rather to support the prices charged and paid for commercial lots within TV. I suspect one of the selling points for those lots is golf cart access. If businesses can build outside of TV and still have cart access, leverage is lost. From a business standpoint, I can understand being upset that he has created a wonderful and unique community and that others are using its attractiveness in ways that may affect his overall plan negatively.

You could be right Mike, it’s hard to say. But unfortunately he should have thought about this decades ago when he decided to take advantage of the new CDD law and then turn the roads over to the Counties to maintain.

You’re either a privately developed community with private roads maintained by its residents (like Stonecrest) or you’re a Community Development district built with tax free bonds with County roads open to the public. He can’t have it both ways.

Peachie 08-14-2013 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdV (Post 726155)
You could be right Mike, it’s hard to say. But unfortunately he should have thought about this decades ago when he decided to take advantage of the new CDD law and then turn the roads over to the Counties to maintain.

You’re either a privately developed community with private roads maintained by its residents (like Stonecrest) or you’re a Community Development district built with tax free bonds with County roads open to the public. He can’t have it both ways.

EdV, isn't the private path that is to be gated at the end of The Villages cart path and not on the public road? We're not debating public road use.... or am I mistaken?

Number 6 08-14-2013 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 726149)
linko38: This issue is not personal to me, meaning not a personal affront on anyone. But like you my wife and I like to travel by cart and admire the landscaping too. However, we paid premium dollars for that opportunity.
The Villages is getting very crowded and when all the seasonal residents and renters arrive the cart paths look like I-4. It is only going to get worse when this development is built out. So it is understandable that some residents are sensitive about this issue. I suspect there are a great number of people who live outside the villages that use the cart paths. It was told to me by employees of our golf Administration that outsiders have been sneaking on to our golf courses. Certainly you would agree this is not right or fair?

Having said that perhaps you can understand why some village residents get upset about non residents utilizing their privately and residents financed cart paths.

There is also another perspective here and that is the safety factor of golf carts traveling in and around 441.

Non residents have access to use public roads whether traveling by car or LSV and enjoy many of the amenities here.

I can tell you I had a resident from Stone Crest literally laugh in my face after telling me I was foolish to pay all that money to live in The Villages when he purchased in Stone Crest and still could get the village's lifestyle.

I support the Developer's move to build this wall and hope he does not replace it with a gate because all that is going to do is encourage some to break through the gate time and time again. I suspect the Developer had some real legitimate business reasons for his move.


Personal Best Regards:

thank you. I think that is pretty well stated. We are not talking about the use of public roads, but private bridge and trails. Big difference in my book.

TVMayor 08-14-2013 04:22 PM

So I figure I need to go to the next VHA meeting. I went the web page, clicked on ever tab looking for a meeting schedule, if they have a schedule it is well hidden or they are a stealth organization.

njbchbum 08-14-2013 04:26 PM

does anyone really think that the gate proposal is going to happen? to do so, the developer's proposal must be submitted to the amenity authority committee for their approval and recomendation to the vccdd. they have the oppty to amend and return to the developer for review/approval; whence it will return to the acc for another go-round. when finally approved by the acc it will go to the vccdd with the recommendation to approve and the same review/revise/approve routine will take place. and after all is reviewed/revised/approved - the property must be deeded over - and only then can the gate be installed; which i guess will be dependent on when it can be delivered. i wonder if that one, new gate must go out for bid or if it can be tagged to the existing contract.

unless the town of lady lake determines that the wall must come down because it went up without a permit, i do not see this event taking place anytime soon.

meeting dates for the acc/vccdd are available on the district govt website - not encouraging.
amenity authority committee meeting schedule/agendas/minutes: http://www.districtgov.org/aac/aac.aspx
vccdd webpage with links to meetings/agendas/minutes: http://www.districtgov.org/yourdistr...px?district=vc

EdV 08-14-2013 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Number 6 (Post 726172)
thank you. I think that is pretty well stated. We are not talking about the use of public roads, but private bridge and trails. Big difference in my book.

Then explain to me exactly what private bridge and trails are you referring to. Give us specific names and location. No broad brush off the wall undocumented wild guesses.

That will also answer Peachie's question.

I'm all ears, pray tell.

SpicyCajunPugs 08-14-2013 04:36 PM

It is clear that no one can know for sure when and what will happen....I think we should all agree to "just wait and see" and go on from this post

justjim 08-14-2013 04:38 PM

rubicon: You might be right about breaking down the new gate by outsiders. Did not someone say that was a problem years ago when they had such a gate? I have many times thought that every golf cart should have some type of identifying sticker or plate for safety and identification reasons. A small fee for Village residents of $5.00 yearly and twice that for others outside TV. This money could be used to help maintain the trails and there would be no need for a costly gate. Just a thought. Ooops I see "shots" coming!

EdV 08-14-2013 04:49 PM

And while the VHS wastes a lot of time trying to implement the equivalent of a blockade into and out of public roads, it will bide time for Stonecrest to prepare their salvo.

You see, as I recently reported to everyone, the electric company that owns the land between Albi’s and WalMart has given their real estate division the go ahead to sell off the dirt golf cart path behind their distribution facility so that they can extricate themselves from the dreaded “liability Issues” that the cart trespassers present.

So the Stonecrest POA will purchase that land and place an identical access gate to the one that the VCCDD erects at their end. The Stonecrest gate of course will allow Stonecrest residents in and out but deny others. No Walmart for you TV!

So if TV residents think the VHA solution is fair, they should have no problem accepting my solution for Stonecrest.

As the old War song goes, “What will this solve? Nothing, absolutely nothing.


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