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Dr Winston O Boogie jr 08-14-2013 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by EdV (Post 726183)
Then explain to me exactly what private bridge and trails are you referring to. Give us specific names and location. No broad brush off the wall undocumented wild guesses.

That will also answer Peachie's question.

I'm all ears, pray tell.

There is a path that goes from Tarrson Blvd to the Post Office. I would think that that is a Villages owned path on private property.

There is also one that connects Palermo Pl to the area that goes to the Rolling Acres Driving Range and on to the Villages wood work shop.

There is a path that connects a Turnberry Lane to the back of the Silver Lake Rec Center. I think that those are also on Villages property and are probably maintained with amenities money.

I think that those three are on private property. I think there might be more that I can't think of right now.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 08-14-2013 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EdV (Post 726110)
The VHA proposal most certainly does not address the concerns of all the affected residents.

Now if you want to debate the issue intelligently, fine, but leave out the sarcastic remarks, thank you.

In what way does the VHA proposal not address the concerns of all of the Villages residents? I think that everyone that uses that gate will be very happy if there is a gate that they can go in an out of.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 08-14-2013 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EdV (Post 726198)
And while the VHS wastes a lot of time trying to implement the equivalent of a blockade into and out of public roads, it will bide time for Stonecrest to prepare their salvo.

You see, as I recently reported to everyone, the electric company that owns the land between Albi’s and WalMart has given their real estate division the go ahead to sell off the dirt golf cart path behind their distribution facility so that they can extricate themselves from the dreaded “liability Issues” that the cart trespassers present.

So the Stonecrest POA will purchase that land and place an identical access gate to the one that the VCCDD erects at their end. The Stonecrest gate of course will allow Stonecrest residents in and out but deny others. No Walmart for you TV!

So if TV residents think the VHA solution is fair, they should have no problem accepting my solution for Stonecrest.

As the old War song goes, “What will this solve? Nothing, absolutely nothing.

Whoever owns that property between the Aldi parking lot and Wal-Mart has every right to allow whomever they want to use it and every right to not allow anyone to use it. If the Stonecrest residents want to buy it and allow only Stonecrest residents through they would certainly have that right. I would bet that if Wal-Mart got wind of what was happening, they would outbid everyone who tries to buy that dirt road. Also the Villages residents would also be able to buy it and only allow Villages residents to use it.
What you have proposed here is, of course, ludicrous. The residents of Stonecrest would have absolutely nothing to gain by taking that action. It wouldn't prevent anyone from entering Stonecrest.
The golf cart gate in question is on Villages property. No one is buying it out of spite in order to prevent people from getting to a third unrelated site.
VHA stands for VILLAGES Homeowners Association. They represent the interests of the Villages residents. They have no obligation to do anything that is beneficial to anyone else.

I would have no problem with Stonecrest making any paths on their property, leading into their property for Stonecrest residents only. And I don't think that many of my fellow Villagers would have any problem with it either.

Steve9930 08-14-2013 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 726339)
Whoever owns that property between the Aldi parking lot and Wal-Mart has every right to allow whomever they want to use it and every right to not allow anyone to use it. If the Stomecrest residents want to buy it and allow only Stonecrest residents through they would certainly have that right. I would bet that if Wal-Mart got wind of what was happening, they would outbid everyone who tries to buy that dirt road. Also the Villages residents would also be able to buy it and only allow Villages residents to use it.
What you have proposed here is, of course, ludicrous. The residents of Stonecrest would have absolutely nothing to gain by taking that action.

Just to let you know. StoneCrest POA is NOT buying that piece of property. Wal-Mart and Duke(Progress Energy) are negotiating who will own and maintain he property. I do not know when everything will be finalized but I've been told the negotiations are doing well. That whole debacle started because someone traveling the path tried to get Progress Energy to pay for damage to their cart while traveling over the path.

Number 6 08-15-2013 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by EdV (Post 726183)
Then explain to me exactly what private bridge and trails are you referring to. Give us specific names and location. No broad brush off the wall undocumented wild guesses.

That will also answer Peachie's question.

I'm all ears, pray tell.

The golf cart bridge and multimodal trails. Right?

EdV 08-15-2013 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 726207)
The last I heard Stonecrest POA is not purchasing the land behind Duke (Progress Energy) Substation. Wal-Mart and the Power Company lawyers are working out the details. At this point all I know is the parties involved are still negotiating and the deal looks promising.

Steve, I was simply attempting to get those that see nothing wrong with installing a restrictive gate at their end, to rethink their position.

The VHA wants to eliminate "unfettered" access to their side in spite of the fact that for the past ten years their residents have been "unfettering" their carts over Ron Brown's and the Electric company's land without their permission.

EdV 08-15-2013 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 6 (Post 726398)
The golf cart bridge and multimodal trails. Right?

Wrong. The bridge is public and maintained by Morse's commercial companies and there are no multimodal trails in any of the retail/medical areas on the west side of 441.

EdV 08-15-2013 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 726201)
.....Should Stonecrest provide access for cars and carts to cut through their subdivision if there is a public road on the other side of the subdivision that would make The Villagers life easier?

Peachie, more than ten years ago, the dirt path to/from OBG was engineered, graded, curbed, paved, and lighted specifically for the purpose of allowing golf carts to enter onto and exit from Paradise Dr. No such intent was ever established or provided by Stonecrest's community.

jebartle 08-15-2013 08:11 AM

Wow!
 
Power to the People!.....Yea!:bigbow::bigbow:

donniemac 08-15-2013 08:29 AM

If this does indeed happen, I expect it will take months to get approved and finished.
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Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 725776)
From the newspaper article, it appears to be very much just a proposal at this stage. If it does go through then that would be excellent.

Sure, the whole thing may be a stunt by the VHA, or a way for the developer to quietly back down after so much negative reaction without losing face, but does that really matter?

If we get our cart path back then let's put this behind us and head off to Aldi.



I did like the other related story in the Daily Sun - "the police have noticed golf carts being driven alongside 441".

No explanation as to why golf carts have suddenly appeared there, of course.


donniemac 08-15-2013 08:52 AM

If non residents are using the golf courses or pools then starters and pool monitors are not doing their jobs. And I don't believe that to be the case. The exception is the championship courses which are owned by the developer. Nonresidents are allowed on those courses for a slightly higher fee.
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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 726149)
linko38: This issue is not personal to me, meaning not a personal affront on anyone. But like you my wife and I like to travel by cart and admire the landscaping too. However, we paid premium dollars for that opportunity.
The Villages is getting very crowded and when all the seasonal residents and renters arrive the cart paths look like I-4. It is only going to get worse when this development is built out. So it is understandable that some residents are sensitive about this issue. I suspect there are a great number of people who live outside the villages that use the cart paths. It was told to me by employees of our golf Administration that outsiders have been sneaking on to our golf courses. Certainly you would agree this is not right or fair?

Having said that perhaps you can understand why some village residents get upset about non residents utilizing their privately and residents financed cart paths.

There is also another perspective here and that is the safety factor of golf carts traveling in and around 441.

Non residents have access to use public roads whether traveling by car or LSV and enjoy many of the amenities here.

I can tell you I had a resident from Stone Crest literally laugh in my face after telling me I was foolish to pay all that money to live in The Villages when he purchased in Stone Crest and still could get the village's lifestyle.

I support the Developer's move to build this wall and hope he does not replace it with a gate because all that is going to do is encourage some to break through the gate time and time again. I suspect the Developer had some real legitimate business reasons for his move.


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Peachie 08-15-2013 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by donniemac (Post 726475)
If non residents are using the golf courses or pools then starters and pool monitors are not doing their jobs. And I don't believe that to be the case. The exception is the championship courses which are owned by the developer. Nonresidents are allowed on those courses for a slightly higher fee.

Donniemac, we've owned in The Villages since 2007 and rented here several years before that. We nor our guests have EVER been carded at the pools and we frequent the pools quite often.

Whatever 08-15-2013 09:12 AM

It would seem that not only would the owner of the Private property have an issue regarding liability for an accident on his property, but too, another issue in my mind, is whether or not there could be cause for adverse possession by the county, state or political subdivision. Perhaps, the solution would be to close off the path one day a year so that adverse possession could not be claimed.

Steve9930 08-15-2013 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by EdV (Post 726411)
Steve, I was simply attempting to get those that see nothing wrong with installing a restrictive gate at their end, to rethink their position.

The VHA wants to eliminate "unfettered" access to their side in spite of the fact that for the past ten years their residents have been "unfettering" their carts over Ron Brown's and the Electric company's land without their permission.

Ok I understand your point. However the Villages have a right to restrict access to their property if they so wish. I'm glad they do frequent Wal-Mart and the other businesses. Mr. Brown has been very gracious to allows us to cross his property from StoneCrest for many years now and I thank him for that privilege. If the Villages are restricted from coming to Wal-Mart then there is no incentive for Wal-Mart to care whether that 200 feet of path remains open. So the wall really hurt Stonecrest in a way that Mr. Mores had no right to do. I apologize for being off topic on this one post.

justjim 08-15-2013 10:16 AM

Yep, the many lawyers of the Developer were involved in this fiasco. Lawyers and lawsuits are just a fact of life. The Developer owns a huge amount of private property within TV. It is possible for a lawyer to make you near paranoid---if you let him/her. Still, just a "little bit" of transparency would be welcomed before you affect the lives of elderly residents already living in TV.


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