[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Would love to see a list of the excuses given for hitting a gate.

Have a gate at the entrance and exit of my driveway in NY. One Saturday night someone missed the turn and hit the gate, corrected, backed up, hit the stone wall and then further down the mountain hit the exit gate. Police were looking at the damage with me Sunday Morning when the culprit pulls up (obvious to me it was in a different car) and confesses to all of the damage. Police chief asked what happened. His excuse, " The curve was really difficult to make because I had been drinking and was a bit drunk."

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by daca55

The gates are needed to control traffic. They need to be redesigned. If they were a heavy grade of rubber and they should have some give to them so when hit they flex and come back to original position. Right now there’s no flex as they are rigid and when hit they break.

Gate arms that stop traffic are often times held to the structure with vinyl nuts made to break off if hit. It is cheaper to replace a bolt vs the arm.If the arm is off look at the video and find the culprit. Are there any spelled out penalties for breaking a gate arm?

[MrFlorida]

Originally Posted by brianherlihy

get rid of them dont need

Obviously you don't cross the roads in a golf cart, the gates are there to slow cars down so you can cross safely. Without them, it would be a free for all....

[forebubba]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

The solution is to get rid of the gates. YES -- get rid of them! Many would like to believe that they control traffic. Nonsense! The developer put them there to make would-be buyers believe they are buying into a truly gated community. Between the maintenance of the gates, utilities, and salaries for those keystone cops who "man" the gates, it costs well over a million dollars a year. That money could surely be put to better use!

If you drive a golf cart you would see the gates are useful if for nothing else safety.
Have you seen cars drive though where the gates are down. Some dont even touch the brakes.
The design is bad because the is no counter balance on the arm. They would last much longer if the motor and gears did not have to lift the entire weight of the arm. An easy fix.

[Matzy]

I think we have to understand what does it mean when talking about “RIGHT”, I disagree, because there is no RIGHT. There are a lot of different traffic regulations not rights. If there a pedestrian, golf-cart, bicycle is/are crossing the street you do not have any right to run it over, .
In my understanding the gates are a kindly way of slowing down the traffic (beside it is a sign to enter a villages) and a reminder that everyone should accept each other as a user of the road.

[Luggage]

We are in a different community, but a big sign that says $250 fine would be a help, as well as speed bumps. Sometimes you see the gate going up or going down and your head simply does not click to stop your car it's a real annoyance but if you only use plastic nuts to hold the gate on the bar will not break and it will not lwill not be a cost to high .

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Luggage

We are in a different community, but a big sign that says $250 fine would be a help, as well as speed bumps. Sometimes you see the gate going up or going down and your head simply does not click to stop your car it's a real annoyance but if you only use plastic nuts to hold the gate on the bar will not break and it will not lwill not be a cost to high .

Are you in TV?

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Luggage

We are in a different community, but a big sign that says $250 fine would be a help, as well as speed bumps. Sometimes you see the gate going up or going down and your head simply does not click to stop your car it's a real annoyance but if you only use plastic nuts to hold the gate on the bar will not break and it will not lwill not be a cost to high .

Originally Posted by Laker14

Are you in TV?

Annoyance to a non villager, sorry.

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by Glorantha

The gates help space out traffic allowing bike cyclists, carts and pedestrians openings to cross. I have seen similar gates on on-ramps to interstates in densely populated urbane areas help space traffic.

TV gates do not "space out" traffic. The cars going through the gates are still one after the other.

What you are describing is completely different from the Village gates. I have never seen a gate controlling access on to an Interstate, but I have seen red and green lights (similar to traffic lights) which thread auto access on a highway ramp. They are electronically operated and controlled by the autos themselves. In addition, when you enter the highway, the cars stream onto a dedicated lane that merges with the existing traffic.

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by Laker14

But since you don't own a cart, or use a cart, you, of course, see no benefit in the gates. Most residents of TV do use golf carts, and use them a lot. So those of us who do use golf carts a lot see everyday the value of having a gate arm come down and stop traffic in order to let at least one car across. During busy times, the carts would be backed up a long way waiting for a natural break in the stream of traffic. That's a fact.
I'm not "second guessing " you. I'm telling you you are just plain wrong in saying they don't help.

As far as the expense, using Two Plane Kid's numbers from the District site, of $3Million/year, and dividing it by the estimated 130,000 people who live in TV, that comes to about $23/year per person, or $46 per household.

Most of us are more than happy to pay that amount in order to have the cart traffic moving along, and don't mind the moment of inconvenience it causes us when we are in our cars.

You ARE second-guessing me! I did own a golf cart for quite a while and subsequently, chose to sell it. I have never seen the benefit of the gates and I truly believe those who think they are terrific are a product of Morse's brainwashing and giving residents a false sense of security as to their benefit.

Yes, the gates do stop traffic momentarily but when there is another car directly behind that one, there is still not enough time for a golf cart to safely cross the entrance to a village. They still have to wait!

Your breaking the cost down to $23.00 per year, per person is laughingly ridiculous and probably not very accurate, but what difference does it make???

[biker1]

You could not be more wrong. There is ample time for a golf cart to cross the entrance to a Village when the arm comes down and before it goes back up for the next car. I experience this every day at the entrance to not only my Village but also other Villages. It is usually a two-step process with a stop in the middle of the crossing area. Without the gates providing flow control, it would be dangerous for golf carts crossing the entrances to the Villages. Sorry you don’t agree but that is the reality of the situation. Language such as “brainwashing” is disingenuous, at best, and should be avoided.

Originally Posted by Bonanza

You ARE second-guessing me! I did own a golf cart for quite a while and subsequently, chose to sell it. I have never seen the benefit of the gates and I truly believe those who think they are terrific are a product of Morse's brainwashing and giving residents a false sense of security as to their benefit.

Yes, the gates do stop traffic momentarily but when there is another car directly behind that one, there is still not enough time for a golf cart to safely cross the entrance to a village. They still have to wait!

Your breaking the cost down to $23.00 per year, per person is laughingly ridiculous and probably not very accurate, but what difference does it make???

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by biker1

You could not be more wrong. There is ample time for a golf cart to cross the entrance to a Village when the arm comes down and before it goes back up for the next car. I experience this every day at the entrance to not only my Village but also other Villages. It is usually a two-step process with a stop in the middle of the crossing area. Without the gates providing flow control, it would be dangerous for golf carts crossing the entrances to the Villages. Sorry you don’t agree but that is the reality of the situation. Language such as “brainwashing” is disingenuous, at best, and should be avoided.

What I have stated is logical and not wrong and your your "opinion" is not realistic. I have stated what really happens at the entrances. What you have written is wishful thinking.

When there are back-to-back cars in line to get through a village gate, there is not "ample time" for a golf cart to cross between them! It's virtually impossible unless a driver leaves some room and lets the golf cart pass. Back-to-back cars waiting to pass through the gate do not provide any time or space for a golf cart. Period!

My use of brainwashing is not disingenuous. The developer, has passed on to Villages' real estate agents, the thought that each village is part of a gated community, making would-be buyers think they are buying into a safe and secure gated community. The agents may not lie when asked direct questions, but that is the illusion they attempt to create.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

You ARE second-guessing me! I did own a golf cart for quite a while and subsequently, chose to sell it. I have never seen the benefit of the gates and I truly believe those who think they are terrific are a product of Morse's brainwashing and giving residents a false sense of security as to their benefit.

Yes, the gates do stop traffic momentarily but when there is another car directly behind that one, there is still not enough time for a golf cart to safely cross the entrance to a village. They still have to wait!

Your breaking the cost down to $23.00 per year, per person is laughingly ridiculous and probably not very accurate, but what difference does it make???

Nope. No false sense of security for me. I well understand that anyone can pass through the gate.

Wrong again. Knowing the arm is coming down in between cars allows a waiting cart to get at least half-way across. That's all the cart needs, is half-way once, half-way twice, and it's through the intersection. It works, over and over again. If you can't see that it's because you don't drive a cart every day.

As far as breaking down the cost to $23 per year per person being "laughingly ridiculous", I used twoplanekid's numbers from the District website, using his higher estimate of $3Million per year and divided it by the population of TV which I understand to be in excess of 130,000.

When I divide 3Million by 130,000 I get 23. Do you have different numbers you can support, or does your calculator come up with a different number?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

You ARE second-guessing me! I did own a golf cart for quite a while and subsequently, chose to sell it. I have never seen the benefit of the gates and I truly believe those who think they are terrific are a product of Morse's brainwashing and giving residents a false sense of security as to their benefit.

Originally Posted by biker1

You could not be more wrong. There is ample time for a golf cart to cross the entrance to a Village when the arm comes down and before it goes back up for the next car. I experience this every day at the entrance to not only my Village but also other Villages. It is usually a two-step process with a stop in the middle of the crossing area. Without the gates providing flow control, it would be dangerous for golf carts crossing the entrances to the Villages. Sorry you don’t agree but that is the reality of the situation. Language such as “brainwashing” is disingenuous, at best, and should be avoided.

Originally Posted by Bonanza

What I have stated is logical and not wrong and your your "opinion" is not realistic. I have stated what really happens at the entrances. What you have written is wishful thinking.

When there are back-to-back cars in line to get through a village gate, there is not "ample time" for a golf cart to cross between them! It's virtually impossible unless a driver leaves some room and lets the golf cart pass. Back-to-back cars waiting to pass through the gate do not provide any time or space for a golf cart. Period!

My use of brainwashing is not disingenuous. The developer, has passed on to Villages' real estate agents, the thought that each village is part of a gated community, making would-be buyers think they are buying into a safe and secure gated community. The agents may not lie when asked direct questions, but that is the illusion they attempt to create.

This is real easy to resolve. There are 50,000 golf carts in TV, and EVERY SINGLE DRIVER OF ONE knows that there is ample time to cross behind the gates. The statement "I did own a golf cart for quite a while and subsequently, chose to sell it" simply does not pass the smell test. And for those that don't want to be "second-guessed", all I can state is:

[biker1]

2 year olds and the clueless - people not worth arguing with.

Originally Posted by Bonanza

What I have stated is logical and not wrong and your your "opinion" is not realistic. I have stated what really happens at the entrances. What you have written is wishful thinking.

When there are back-to-back cars in line to get through a village gate, there is not "ample time" for a golf cart to cross between them! It's virtually impossible unless a driver leaves some room and lets the golf cart pass. Back-to-back cars waiting to pass through the gate do not provide any time or space for a golf cart. Period!

My use of brainwashing is not disingenuous. The developer, has passed on to Villages' real estate agents, the thought that each village is part of a gated community, making would-be buyers think they are buying into a safe and secure gated community. The agents may not lie when asked direct questions, but that is the illusion they attempt to create.