[DarrenandKathy]

Originally Posted by Normal

Perhaps the best way to resolve the wear and tear of the Villages amenities is by issuing a new “Tenant Pass” to renters. Charge 25 dollars per month, per pass, whether it’s used for only one day or for the entire month. The extra revenue could be used to keep amenity fees buoyant at current rates for years to come.

It would be right on par with the identical cost of transferring an ID for two members (50 dollars anyway) and landlords wouldn’t be taking advantage of our amenities for their own gain.

It’s a win/win.

Ps. I like the color blue for the pass

But renters have a much right to the amenities as anyone.
Landlords pay their fees and only one group at a time of renters have access to the facilities at a time so I’m not sure what additional wear and tear they would be responsible for.
If anything unless fully booked which certainly isn’t the case lately there would be less use by properties owned by landlords then full time residents.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Nordhagen

I’m not sure I understand this issue and concern at all. The amenity fee is paid monthly by the owner of the house whether it’s occupied or not. If the owner of the house was living in it, they would be taking advantage of the amenities that they are paying for. What’s the difference in usage?
The only issue I see with renters is that they should be required to be over 55. I don’t think that’s true currently.
This is a solution looking for a problem.

My sentiment exactly.. an old group of people, wasting their final days worrying about a non-existent problem. And no, we don't own a rental in The Villages.

[LonnyP]

Nobody checks them at the rec center pickelball courts anyway.

[DarrenandKathy]

The majority of short term renters are people that are coming down to check out the Villages to see if they want to become your neighbours and families that have come to visit their parents that live here.
The majority of them are super respectful. Which group do you not want to see visit?
Without short term rentals businesses would close and cost of ownership would skyrocket in the Villages.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

The better solution is to find a way to ban all STRs. 30-day minimum rental, and then who cares whether the owner or the renter is using the amenities. If Florida law prohibits such a restriction, then control it by not issuing guest passes to anyone not staying 30 days. Again, this is a 55+ retirement community. It is not a place where investors should be trying to rent anytime to anyone to make a buck.

To me, this makes the most sense. The other advantage is that if people renting STRs cannot get guest passes unless they are there for 30 days minimum, fewer people will be interested in renting the STRs. Make no mistake, the amenities are a huge draw and if they are restricted so will be the desire to rent an AirBnB / VeeRBeeOh

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by LonnyP

Nobody checks them at the rec center pickelball courts anyway.

I didn't realize all those times I have had my ID checked that the person was named "Nobody."

Do you have to be named "Nobody" to get hired to work at the rec centers?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by bmcgowan13

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IMHO-This seems like a solution in search of a problem.

Not a solution in search of a problem, more of a creative end-around solution to a rumored problem that Gladys K hasn't been able to get rid of directly.

These later posts show the real purpose:
- it isn't about the insignificant wear and tear on the amenities
- it isn't about needing more money for the well-funded amenity divisions
- this is about finding a way to discourage/end rentals and the boogeyman of the bad renter

I'm sure bad renters happen but I'm not convinced those bad renters are defined by a time limit. I know the annoying person in our neighborhood has a 30-year or longer rental (we call him a homeowner) while the renter across the street is seen no more often than the snowbird next door. If anything, perhaps 30 days should be a *maximum* rental - otherwise you are stuck with undesirable behavior for quite a long time.

[JGibson]

The bigger issue and maybe you would need to live next to these STR to understand is the loss of any kind of neighborhood feel when you have different people every week/month.

I see no solution in the near future so either deal with it or move to a community that's a true 55+ community that has more stringent rules on STR.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

The better solution is to find a way to ban all STRs. 30-day minimum rental, and then who cares whether the owner or the renter is using the amenities. If Florida law prohibits such a restriction, then control it by not issuing guest passes to anyone not staying 30 days. Again, this is a 55+ retirement community. It is not a place where investors should be trying to rent anytime to anyone to make a buck.

Couldn’t a 30 day pass be issued for a 3 day rental? Then tossed.
Is there a limit on how many guest passes are issued per household, per week, month, year?

Then a 30 day pass wouldn’t stop STR.

Even the one area in TV that residents signed a “NO Rental Agreement” clause at closing has some rentals available.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by DarrenandKathy

The majority of short term renters are people that are coming down to check out the Villages to see if they want to become your neighbours and families that have come to visit their parents that live here.
The majority of them are super respectful. Which group do you not want to see visit?
Without short term rentals businesses would close and cost of ownership would skyrocket in the Villages.

You must be living in another "The Villages" than most. I've met plenty of short term renters and not one has told me, they were "thinking of buying in TV".

So if we REDUCE demand, by limiting Investor purchases, home values will increase? In what world does "reduced demand", increase prices?

[bcloudman]

When we rented our home, we no longer rent it, we were required to hand over our resident passes to the rental company. Do self renters have any requirements about their passes?

[Normal]

Originally Posted by bcloudman

When we rented our home, we no longer rent it, we were required to hand over our resident passes to the rental company. Do self renters have any requirements about their passes?

No, many can simultaneously use the same address. The “landlord” can keep their permanent ID and just get visitor passes for their customers.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

You must be living in another "The Villages" than most. I've met plenty of short term renters and not one has told me, they were "thinking of buying in TV"...

Gotta agree with this. Short term renters (under 30 days) are not doing a "dry-run" on what it is like to live here or to explore various Villages for their final purchase decision. Short term renters are here to have fun, use amenities, and party while their kids are occupied with amenities.

Serious home shoppers coming for a short time either do a 4 or 7 day lifestyle visit (or two) or they rent a hotel room for a few days. While their may be some who do short term rental who are responsible home shoppers, they have options (hotel) if short term rentals area restricted in The Villages.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by bcloudman

When we rented our home, we no longer rent it, we were required to hand over our resident passes to the rental company. Do self renters have any requirements about their passes?

I suspect that was a requirement of the management company, specifically so they could provide a temporary ID (not a guest pass) to whoever was renting.

If a self renter wanted to provide the same temporary ID to the person they were renting to then the self renter would also need to turn in their Resident ID.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by DarrenandKathy

But renters have a much right to the amenities as anyone.
Landlords pay their fees and only one group at a time of renters have access to the facilities at a time so I’m not sure what additional wear and tear they would be responsible for.
If anything unless fully booked which certainly isn’t the case lately there would be less use by properties owned by landlords then full time residents.

Incorrect. A landlord still has their Full Time Residence pass. The best fix is to just have the landlord pay the transfer fees of their residence pass to correctly assign a “tenant” the privileges for living in the house. It should be done each and every change of any tenant. Duplicity and cheating should be removed from the system both completely and correctly.