[neilbcox]

Originally Posted by PugMom

i hear you, & do not mean to disrespect anyone attempting to help others, but i still prefer the EMT's. they're professionals. i will see how it works out.

You make a great concern.

In Newell we have evaluated and screened our responders. Most of our responders have extensive medical experience! I am an Army paramedic and level 1 medical specialist, we have a physician, many retired first responders, EMTs, registered nurses, firefighters, police and CERT certified rescuers. Not everyone just walked off the farm and wants to do this.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by neilbcox

You make a great concern.

In Newell we have evaluated and screened our responders. Most of our responders have extensive medical experience! I am an Army paramedic and level 1 medical specialist, we have a physician, many retired first responders, EMTs, registered nurses, firefighters, police and CERT certified rescuers. Not everyone just walked off the farm and wants to do this.

You don’t have to justify your existence sir. I’m sure you read the whole thread. The poster has basically said that unless you’re a paid professional.....even if all things beside that are equal, she doesnt want your assistance. Not everything has to make sense on TOTV.
Btw, thank you for your military.....and volunteer public service!

[neilbcox]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

Much like a DNR, maybe you should hang post it notes in your house stating only Fire/EMS may attempt to save your life. See how that works out. I get your premise, but at times, hero's come in different packages. I just don't see a scenario where someone enters your home from a group that employs volunteers...fully trained and certified personnel and you're gonna say, 'Nah, I'm good'!

A DNR form on yellow paper must be presented to the Fire Department EMTs and if the paperwork is correct and complete they will respect your request!

The AED responders are not authorized to follow that directive.

Hopes this clarifies the process.

[TrapX]

Originally Posted by PugMom

wow, ok. i am one of those who did not contribute, for my own reasons. if i or someone near me needs lifesaving skills, i want professional emt's. i do not trust anyone to 'work' on me, esp with the fire station so close to the house. i was the black sheep of our block, i guess, because people were coming to the house trying to get me to 'join'. some were offended by me not willing to sign up, but i didn't care then, & still don't today, but the pressure was intense.

I have been trained on CPR and AED use many times through the years. Like many other have.
I performed CPR many times and have had saves as a result.
Have even been publicly recognized for it, although meeting with people I have saved was much more satisfying.

Shame on me for thinking people would want to live.
Shame on me for thinking people would chose to lay there (dead) while I stand by.
I'll wait for minutes to pass, then point the FD to your lifeless body with the message "she didn't want me to do CPR."

Was I an EMT? No, I had a different job.
Could I perform CPR as good as any EMT? Absolutely yes.

So share your address so I don't waste my time in case there is a call at your house.
Hope you know there are often multiple calls simultaneously. The nearest fire station might be out on one of those other calls, and the next nearest response could be 15 minutes away. You would not survive. How would you want that phrased on the tombstone?

[nodlorac]

I made my position known on **************.com several months ago and got hammered for it!!

[yankygrl]

Originally Posted by neilbcox

A DNR form on yellow paper must be presented to the Fire Department EMTs and if the paperwork is correct and complete they will respect your request!

The AED responders are not authorized to follow that directive.

Hopes this clarifies the process.

yes they are- if you have a correctly filling out yellow DNR AED responders will not perform CPR

[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by yankygrl

yes they are- if you have a correctly filling out yellow DNR AED responders will not perform CPR

Trying to picture a situation in which a human would be found unresponsive, not obviously choking, not breathing, and with no detectable pulse and a family member prepared to abide by the DNR request but who would both call 911 *and* present said DNR request in writing. (Unfamiliar with it having that yellow paper aspect to it). Possibly my imagination just isn't good enough.

Just discussed it with the wifey and it turned into a pondering bout over who could be called *other* than 911. Would seem a waste of emergency personnel's time. An ambulance ride would hardly seem appropriate, but who knows? Maybe there's rules; possibly even laws. Maybe insurance won't cover transport without said 911 call. Just don't know. I suppose DOA implies some sort of "arrival". Knowing of and intending to abide by a DNR, should one await the attainment of room temperature? We both feel strongly about erring on the side of avoiding living with brain damage.

Don't really know much about coroners vs. medical examiners and timely declarations of death. Did just find this listing:

Barbara C. Wolf, M.D.
809 Pine Street
Leesburg, Florida 34748
Director of Operations Lindsey Bayer
(352) 326-5961
FAX: (352) 365-6438
e-mail: Lindsey.Bayer@marioncounty fl.org

This URL says something about a 24 hour response. Within? Not clear. https://www.countyoffice.org/sumter-...esburg-fl-41f/

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by mntlblok

Just discussed it with the wifey and it turned into a pondering bout over who could be called *other* than 911. Would seem a waste of emergency personnel's time. An ambulance ride would hardly seem appropriate, but who knows? Maybe there's rules; possibly even laws. Maybe insurance won't cover transport without said 911 call. Just don't know. I suppose DOA implies some sort of "arrival". Knowing of and intending to abide by a DNR, should one await the attainment of room temperature? We both feel strongly about erring on the side of avoiding living with brain damage.

Good questions. I found this:

"What should I do after a death at home?


First, call the person’s doctor or palliative care team. You can ask them to arrange for a doctor to:

visit to confirm the person’s death
issue a medical certificate of cause of death
If the person’s death is expected and natural, you don’t have to call a doctor right away. If they die during the night you can wait until the morning before calling a doctor.

If there is no doctor available, call the police."

Hopefully people with more knowledge will let us know the answer to: Who do you call?

[neilbcox]

Originally Posted by yankygrl

yes they are- if you have a correctly filling out yellow DNR AED responders will not perform CPR

Why would someone that plans to hand out a DNR EVER call 911 if they are going to refuse medical help. This call out may kill someone who really needs assistance! They should be charged with the call out!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

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didn't realize this was already discussed in the next page.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

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didn't realize this was already discussed in the next page.

You will learn rather quickly if you blow thru a DNR stop sign and get pulled over by Attorney Johnnie Cochran from beyond the grave...serving you a court summons! I believe not honoring a known DNR may jeopardize your Good Samaritan Law protections but as always, stand to be corrected

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

You will learn rather quickly if you blow thru a DNR stop sign and get pulled over by Attorney Johnnie Cochran from beyond the grave...serving you a court summons! I believe not honoring a known DNR may jeopardize your Good Samaritan Law protections but as always, stand to be corrected

I guess - how I perceive the situation: once you declare yourself (or are declared by your neighborhood) to be an official responder and authorized to use that AED machine, you become obligated to honor DNRs. Which means it's your job (even if you're a volunteer) to know whether or not the patient HAS a DNR. If they do, and you ignore it, and use the AED and the person ends up in a coma that sets their family back for months until the patient finally dies, you could be on the hook financially. And legally.

DNRs in the state of Florida are supposed to be honored, as long as they're filled out correctly (and on yellow paper).

I posted (and deleted because I didn't notice this thread was 10 pages long), I'm CPR and AED trained. But I don't know if I'd be able to accept the responsibility of being authorized on any official basis to use those skills.

If I was just a bystander who found someone unresponsive on their lawn, then I might administer CPR and yell for help. Because I wouldn't be under any obligation, as a passerby (a Samaritan) to check for a DNR.

Someone who is authorized to represent themselves as a first responder - is obligated to check, and obligated to honor the DNR if they find one.

[neilbcox]

Originally Posted by yankygrl

yes they are- if you have a correctly filling out yellow DNR AED responders will not perform CPR

My error…all responders must honor the DNR.

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by neilbcox

My error…all responders must honor the DNR.

Are you sure about that?

[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

Good questions. I found this:

"What should I do after a death at home?


First, call the person’s doctor or palliative care team. You can ask them to arrange for a doctor to:

visit to confirm the person’s death
issue a medical certificate of cause of death
If the person’s death is expected and natural, you don’t have to call a doctor right away. If they die during the night you can wait until the morning before calling a doctor.

If there is no doctor available, call the police."

Hopefully people with more knowledge will let us know the answer to: Who do you call?

Thank you. Didn't see a source so I googled it. Ran across this side issue:

"The person who is dying may have already said that he or she would like to be an organ donor. Some States list this information on the driver’s license. If not, the decision has to be made quickly. There is no cost to the donor’s family for this gift of life. If the person has requested a Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) order but wants to donate organs, he or she might have to indicate that the desire to donate supersedes the DNR. That is because it might be necessary to use machines to keep the heart beating until the medical staff is ready to remove the donated organs." at What To Do After Someone Dies | National Institute on Aging

I guess I've always pictured my organs as only being of any donation value following some sort of traumatic event. And, I'd think artificially keeping a heart (for example) beating that is going to be removed soon might carry a title (and intent) other than "resuscitation".

Also saw this there: "You can also consider a home funeral, which is legal in most states." I think it would be cool to do sort of a "burial at sea" and not let what's left go to waste. Reckon that's legal, too?