Contact Bob Sjogren at VPSD. He compiles the data on AED responses and success rate. Not sure he keeps any information on batteries or pads since that is the responsibility of each Villages program.

Any time an AED is used his group will also query the data from the AED to see how the incident played out.

The new Villages south of 44 are located in Lake County but is dispatched through the
 

The new Villages south of 44 are in Lake County but calls are dispatched through the Villages dispatcher.

Pulse Point is used to dispatch each Village responders. It shows a map of the cardiac arrest location and where the closest AED unit is located. All responders are notified within a half mile from the arrest. In Newell all responders will go directly to the home to start CPR while other responders will gather the AED system. Our goal is to be at the arrest site within 3 minutes. Villages response time was 5 1/2 minutes last year but the response time to southern new Villages maybe longer than that.

Correction
 

All new Villages AED groups are not doing their own thing. We develop our AED programs with Villages Fire Safety guidance. They are the experts!

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wow, ok. i am one of those who did not contribute, for my own reasons. if i or someone near me needs lifesaving skills, i want professional emt's. i do not trust anyone to 'work' on me, esp with the fire station so close to the house. i was the black sheep of our block, i guess, because people were coming to the house trying to get me to 'join'. some were offended by me not willing to sign up, but i didn't care then, & still don't today, but the pressure was intense.

Thanks for your reply. I wasn't clear enough. In the Pulse Point field to "Add Agency" only 'Sumter Fire and EMS' is available. Nothing shows for Lake or Marion Fire and EMS as a choice. I'm not a trained volunteer or responder, so I don't see a way to view incidents in the other two counties. Similar to the scanner info I used to get before encryption. I was inquiring about getting incident info in the other two TV counties, not response time. And thank you for volunteering!

Much like a DNR, maybe you should hang post it notes in your house stating only Fire/EMS may attempt to save your life. See how that works out. I get your premise, but at times, hero's come in different packages. I just don't see a scenario where someone enters your home from a group that employs volunteers...fully trained and certified personnel and you're gonna say, 'Nah, I'm good'!

we are south of 44, but in Sumter :ho:

i hear you, & do not mean to disrespect anyone attempting to help others, but i still prefer the EMT's. they're professionals. i will see how it works out.

If you’re in cardiac arrest you’re pretty much already dead. You’re not going to get any deader by having a trained first responder give you CPR instead of the fire department. What if the station that is so close to you is out on another call? Your chances of survival just went to zero unless someone closer initiates CPR.
Don’t discount your neighborhood’s AED program out of hand. A good many of our responders are retired from the healthcare or public safety sector.
But you certainly have every right not to contribute or participate for whatever reason. We have several in our village with the same stance. It’s okay. We’re going to respond and unless we’re informed that the person is a DNR we’re going to do what we are trained to do.

Yep, people don’t stop to think about those that do not want to get a on a “band wagon” and how it makes them feel pressured. I have a no soliciting sign on my door….I don’t need the unnecessary pressure.

How about contributing so that someone else's life can be saved? Oh yea, you don't care.

My understanding is the trained neighbors will respond to any 911 call. I don’t believe there is a way to opt out. So whether you contributed or not, it will not affect who will respond. If you don’t want anyone other than an EMT to respond you need to have someone with you that will turn them away.

Yes YOU developed the program... Just like MY village developed OUR program...

All villages develop THEIR OWN program in conjunction with VPSD guidance...

Unless a village "does it's own thing" and initiates the program, it doesn't get done...

Nobody in house is calling 911 on DNR until time has passed to ensure no response is used. Yes it happens, one just doesn’t have that knowledge

You can however refuse any personal that arrives.

Then again wouldn’t be the first time spouse hides those wishes, choosing to ignore and calls no matter what paperwork says.

Response about AED responders
 

You make a great concern.

In Newell we have evaluated and screened our responders. Most of our responders have extensive medical experience! I am an Army paramedic and level 1 medical specialist, we have a physician, many retired first responders, EMTs, registered nurses, firefighters, police and CERT certified rescuers. Not everyone just walked off the farm and wants to do this.

You don’t have to justify your existence sir. I’m sure you read the whole thread. The poster has basically said that unless you’re a paid professional.....even if all things beside that are equal, she doesnt want your assistance. Not everything has to make sense on TOTV.
Btw, thank you for your military.....and volunteer public service!

Dnr
 

A DNR form on yellow paper must be presented to the Fire Department EMTs and if the paperwork is correct and complete they will respect your request!

The AED responders are not authorized to follow that directive.

Hopes this clarifies the process.

I have been trained on CPR and AED use many times through the years. Like many other have.
I performed CPR many times and have had saves as a result.
Have even been publicly recognized for it, although meeting with people I have saved was much more satisfying.

Shame on me for thinking people would want to live.
Shame on me for thinking people would chose to lay there (dead) while I stand by.
I'll wait for minutes to pass, then point the FD to your lifeless body with the message "she didn't want me to do CPR."

Was I an EMT? No, I had a different job.
Could I perform CPR as good as any EMT? Absolutely yes.

So share your address so I don't waste my time in case there is a call at your house.
Hope you know there are often multiple calls simultaneously. The nearest fire station might be out on one of those other calls, and the next nearest response could be 15 minutes away. You would not survive. How would you want that phrased on the tombstone?

I made my position known on **************.com several months ago and got hammered for it!!

yes they are- if you have a correctly filling out yellow DNR AED responders will not perform CPR

Dnr
 

Trying to picture a situation in which a human would be found unresponsive, not obviously choking, not breathing, and with no detectable pulse and a family member prepared to abide by the DNR request but who would both call 911 *and* present said DNR request in writing. (Unfamiliar with it having that yellow paper aspect to it). Possibly my imagination just isn't good enough.

Just discussed it with the wifey and it turned into a pondering bout over who could be called *other* than 911. Would seem a waste of emergency personnel's time. An ambulance ride would hardly seem appropriate, but who knows? Maybe there's rules; possibly even laws. Maybe insurance won't cover transport without said 911 call. Just don't know. I suppose DOA implies some sort of "arrival". Knowing of and intending to abide by a DNR, should one await the attainment of room temperature? We both feel strongly about erring on the side of avoiding living with brain damage.

Don't really know much about coroners vs. medical examiners and timely declarations of death. Did just find this listing:

Barbara C. Wolf, M.D.
809 Pine Street
Leesburg, Florida 34748
Director of Operations Lindsey Bayer
(352) 326-5961
FAX: (352) 365-6438
e-mail: Lindsey.Bayer@marioncounty fl.org

This URL says something about a 24 hour response. Within? Not clear. https://www.countyoffice.org/sumter-...esburg-fl-41f/

Good questions. I found this:

"What should I do after a death at home?


First, call the person’s doctor or palliative care team. You can ask them to arrange for a doctor to:

visit to confirm the person’s death
issue a medical certificate of cause of death
If the person’s death is expected and natural, you don’t have to call a doctor right away. If they die during the night you can wait until the morning before calling a doctor.

If there is no doctor available, call the police."

Hopefully people with more knowledge will let us know the answer to: Who do you call?

What a crazy idea!
 

Why would someone that plans to hand out a DNR EVER call 911 if they are going to refuse medical help. This call out may kill someone who really needs assistance! They should be charged with the call out!

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didn't realize this was already discussed in the next page.

You will learn rather quickly if you blow thru a DNR stop sign and get pulled over by Attorney Johnnie Cochran from beyond the grave...serving you a court summons! I believe not honoring a known DNR may jeopardize your Good Samaritan Law protections but as always, stand to be corrected

I guess - how I perceive the situation: once you declare yourself (or are declared by your neighborhood) to be an official responder and authorized to use that AED machine, you become obligated to honor DNRs. Which means it's your job (even if you're a volunteer) to know whether or not the patient HAS a DNR. If they do, and you ignore it, and use the AED and the person ends up in a coma that sets their family back for months until the patient finally dies, you could be on the hook financially. And legally.

DNRs in the state of Florida are supposed to be honored, as long as they're filled out correctly (and on yellow paper).

I posted (and deleted because I didn't notice this thread was 10 pages long), I'm CPR and AED trained. But I don't know if I'd be able to accept the responsibility of being authorized on any official basis to use those skills.

If I was just a bystander who found someone unresponsive on their lawn, then I might administer CPR and yell for help. Because I wouldn't be under any obligation, as a passerby (a Samaritan) to check for a DNR.

Someone who is authorized to represent themselves as a first responder - is obligated to check, and obligated to honor the DNR if they find one.

Incorrect answer
 

My error…all responders must honor the DNR.

Are you sure about that?

Organ donation
 

Thank you. Didn't see a source so I googled it. Ran across this side issue:

"The person who is dying may have already said that he or she would like to be an organ donor. Some States list this information on the driver’s license. If not, the decision has to be made quickly. There is no cost to the donor’s family for this gift of life. If the person has requested a Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) order but wants to donate organs, he or she might have to indicate that the desire to donate supersedes the DNR. That is because it might be necessary to use machines to keep the heart beating until the medical staff is ready to remove the donated organs." at What To Do After Someone Dies | National Institute on Aging

I guess I've always pictured my organs as only being of any donation value following some sort of traumatic event. And, I'd think artificially keeping a heart (for example) beating that is going to be removed soon might carry a title (and intent) other than "resuscitation".

Also saw this there: "You can also consider a home funeral, which is legal in most states." I think it would be cool to do sort of a "burial at sea" and not let what's left go to waste. Reckon that's legal, too?

Sumter County PulsePoint AED program
 

An AED program can be done at no charge as it has been done in my Village of Buttonwood. Sumter County has a free AED program that will provide AED's, install AED cabinets and provide the emergency calling system to alert trained responders of AED emergencies. Contact Sumter County at (352)689-4400 and ask about the PulsePoint.

Why are you so angry if someone chooses not to use you. Does it affect you if they don't use you, does it change your performance review, or don’t sleep well if the person chooses not to use you.

Sorry after 45 plus years in OR, not at any time was A YOU involved. We were a group of many, never did one person get in a snit if resuscitation was turned down by a family member (cause the one on the floor isn’t making any decisions, if they can talk they don’t need you)

It’s interesting you alone saved so many people without any assistance. I stopped counting at 100 events, but not at any time could I take credit for being the lone person who saved anyone.

But in return none of us were the sole reason why we called for a time of death. Although if it was an infant, child or young person, all involved attending end result meeting, could have input if something could have changed the outcome.

Not defending the post in question nor challenging yours....however, the post in question was an individual stating that if all things are equal (ie; same training, certification etc) but, one is a paid professional and one is a volunteer, some whom are/were Army medics, EMTs, FF, nurses....she said she would decline services. The DNR was added by the rest of us in the scenario in that the yellow paper needs to be present. That’s insulting and as an OR professional, if you were on that volunteer team and were told that....because you’re an unpaid volunteer....no thanks....you’d be insulted as well. Again, she never brought up a DNR....just the paid/unpaid take...

Clarification
 

Pulse point is the application used for notification of responders. Every AED program uses this application which is given free to them.

No such thing as free AED units! Buttonwood was installed about 15 years ago. They raised contributions from residents to fund this program. They may not have any reason or need to raise anymore funds.

Not true. Several villages use Ready Alert for their notifications.

Xxxx

Complications
 

That sent me googling. Interesting. https://www.**************.com/2021/...-the-villages/

Does this mean the same as ////?

You are very mistaken on how most professionals would feel.
First professionals are taught to respect the voice in the room. Even if you think it’s right or wrong you are taught never to overstep your bounds to respect their wishes and do as they ask. If there is no voice in the room you do everything you can to save that human.

It is not about you. It is about that family member who is making decisions since the person laying on the floor doesn’t have a voice. Outside of the hospital and inside. I have seen more than once that a DNR paperwork can be stuffed in a pocket while family members plead with you to save the life, or ask that you step back.

As a professional, I personally involved in CPR on more than 10 occasions alone, outside of A facility. I have also been asked more than five times to step back and not perform CPR.

If you are going into a home or a public area you identify yourself then respect the wishes of the person who is either asking for help or asking you not to help.

It is not in your teaching, to question, burden, or make them feel guilty of their wishes. After all, you are not walking in their shoes. I have personally witnessed within family members that CPR not be started. You have no idea the reason, however background one can guess.

Sometime that 911 call and refusal to first volunteer is allowing more time before first responders arrive. That spouse may have wanted to let them go, but it’s a hard decision to make, being alone with your loved one. By waiting for EMS you are not alone, yet time is making decisions for you.

My best friend ED physician age 27 with stage four Mets stopped breathing while I was at his house. Both his parents were MDAs. It was in my brain to start CPR, and I approached, his spouse said NO. It’s hard to do, when it’s a friend but I had to respect wishes. I knew it was the right decision, but my heart had different ideas.

The one memory that sticks in my mind is at a resort Hotel 3yo was found face in the pool. We were 11 anesthesiologist and anesthetist who were just few feet away.
The father refused us to help, picked up his child ran past us, the lifeguards, into the lobby.
We as professionals went into the lobby again said you have doctors available. Please let us help. The father refused. Was it hard, sure but again you have to respect the person with the voice.

Am I insulted, when someone refuses CPR in a public setting. NOT even once.

I sleep well at night knowing I asked and was answered, by the voice of that spouse, family member, who wants to wait for EMS. Then it’s up to you to offer support and kindness to that voice, and definitely not make them suffer anymore than they already are.

So again no I am not in anyway made to feel angry, hurt feels or insulted to the word NO

Maybe because they are in a different county.
 

The Villages Fire Safety Department along with Sumpter County fully support Pulse Point.