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Kenswing 03-28-2024 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by neilbcox (Post 2316479)
The Villages Fire Safety Department along with Sumpter County fully support Pulse Point.

That's well and good. I wasn't comparing them. I was just correcting an incorrect statement. Not EVERY program uses Pulse Point.

Shipping up to Boston 03-28-2024 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2316474)
You are very mistaken on how most professionals would feel.
First professionals are taught to respect the voice in the room. Even if you think it’s right or wrong you are taught never to overstep your bounds to respect their wishes and do as they ask. If there is no voice in the room you do everything you can to save that human.

It is not about you. It is about that family member who is making decisions since the person laying on the floor doesn’t have a voice. Outside of the hospital and inside. I have seen more than once that a DNR paperwork can be stuffed in a pocket while family members plead with you to save the life, or ask that you step back.

As a professional, I personally involved in CPR on more than 10 occasions alone, outside of A facility. I have also been asked more than five times to step back and not perform CPR.

If you are going into a home or a public area you identify yourself then respect the wishes of the person who is either asking for help or asking you not to help.

It is not in your teaching, to question, burden, or make them feel guilty of their wishes. After all, you are not walking in their shoes. I have personally witnessed within family members that CPR not be started. You have no idea the reason, however background one can guess.

Sometime that 911 call and refusal to first volunteer is allowing more time before first responders arrive. That spouse may have wanted to let them go, but it’s a hard decision to make, being alone with your loved one. By waiting for EMS you are not alone, yet time is making decisions for you.

My best friend ED physician age 27 with stage four Mets stopped breathing while I was at his house. Both his parents were MDAs. It was in my brain to start CPR, and I approached, his spouse said NO. It’s hard to do, when it’s a friend but I had to respect wishes. I knew it was the right decision, but my heart had different ideas.

The one memory that sticks in my mind is at a resort Hotel 3yo was found face in the pool. We were 11 anesthesiologist and anesthetist who were just few feet away.
The father refused us to help, picked up his child ran past us, the lifeguards, into the lobby.
We as professionals went into the lobby again said you have doctors available. Please let us help. The father refused. Was it hard, sure but again you have to respect the person with the voice.

Am I insulted, when someone refuses CPR in a public setting. NOT even once.

I sleep well at night knowing I asked and was answered, by the voice of that spouse, family member, who wants to wait for EMS. Then it’s up to you to offer support and kindness to that voice, and definitely not make them suffer anymore than they already are.

So again no I am not in anyway made to feel angry, hurt feels or insulted to the word NO

I'm not going to challenge you or compare resumes. You don't know me and I dont know you. You missed the point. This is a forum...we're not in the theater of our professions on TOTV. The poster said.....and my point in challenging ...is that if all things are equal (please assume there is no DNR in place because she never mentioned one) she would refuse the services of unpaid professionals or volunteers. Even with the same resume and background that someone like yourself posts often. Obviously those wishes would be respected but the premise of paid vs unpaid is ridiculous. Again, we're not in the theater of our work....just the theater of the absurd.

asianthree 03-28-2024 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2316493)
I'm not going to challenge you or compare resumes. You don't know me and I dont know you. You missed the point. This is a forum...we're not in the theater of our professions on TOTV. The poster said.....and my point in challenging ...is that if all things are equal (please assume there is no DNR in place because she never mentioned one) she would refuse the services of unpaid professionals or volunteers. Even with the same resume and background that someone like yourself posts often. Obviously those wishes would be respected but the premise of paid vs unpaid is ridiculous. Again, we're not in the theater of our work....just the theater of the absurd.

Your post is I would be insulted if I was told they wanted to wait for EMS. My answer is still no, not in the least. If they asked me to leave I would, if they asked to sit and wait with them I would. Either way still wouldn’t be insulted. Most volunteers don’t need an ego trip, that I am as good as any _____________
It goes along the line if you are a male volunteer and the female is on the ground, you are asked to step back. One would never be insulted.

Why does bother some is first volunteer can’t get on their knees to do a assessment that is a disservice to the program.

JMintzer 03-29-2024 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2316504)
Your post is I would be insulted if I was told they wanted to wait for EMS. My answer is still no, not in the least. If they asked me to leave I would, if they asked to sit and wait with them I would. Either way still wouldn’t be insulted. Most volunteers don’t need an ego trip, that I am as good as any _____________
It goes along the line if you are a male volunteer and the female is on the ground, you are asked to step back. One would never be insulted.

Why does bother some is first volunteer can’t get on their knees to do a assessment that is a disservice to the program.

Why are you changing the parameters?

No one mentioned someone who is "physically unable" to assist.

If someone can't "get on their knees" to do an assessment, they shouldn't be a volunteer in the program. Period...

The same applies if someone is unable to perform CPR...

thelegges 03-29-2024 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2316597)
Why are you changing the parameters?

No one mentioned someone who is "physically unable" to assist.

If someone can't "get on their knees" to do an assessment, they shouldn't be a volunteer in the program. Period...

The same applies if someone is unable to perform CPR...

I agree, but have you had an event at your house? In older neighborhood our friends at our house had 3 events. Two different events with two different people, arrived the volunteer was unable to physically help.

Should they be removed from the roster? Probably, but sometimes the lead has difficulty with that process. Friends were later informed that that volunteer could still offer comfort, until other help arrived. Bonus for our friends was first responders were at the house before AED group.

Shipping up to Boston 03-29-2024 05:57 AM

I had a further dialogue with the poster but unfortunately that post magically disappeared from the thread. That said, it’s commonplace on TOTV for some to change narratives midway through a thread....especially when you can’t stay on point and can’t concede. Also, why is it that some here, regardless of thread topic ....always have to post their resumes and scrapbooks as a way to somehow dismiss a competing argument. There are times when it’s welcomed on other threads and organic in its presentation. On this one it’s highly pretentious.

Dkassak 03-31-2024 11:02 AM

Incorrect information.
 
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Originally Posted by Retired55 (Post 2311860)
This is a different view on an AED program that a group on Facebook is implementing, for the Village of Newell. It is a view no one on Facebook in the Group will comment on for fear of being outcast or attacked. That’s why its being posted here. This is not meant to attack the organizers or anyone who supports or has donated to the program. The organizer has mentioned to the group that some people where opposed to the Program but they do not understand why.

The group wants to install 25 AED devices throughout the Village, and is asking $100 per household.

First, the AED devises are a great Lifesaving tool and I think they are wonderful as I am also certified to operate one. But the program itself is not the issue.

Simply said, a Facebook group should not be making decisions for the entire Village, no matter how good or well meaning the project is. It is just a Facebook group; no one voted anyone in for this. It has created a situation where you are making people uncomfortable and pitting one side against another. This should not happen. The group is aggressively collecting money by going door to door, setting up tables at the mail and rec centers and other ways. Some people do not appreciate that and shouldn't have to explain why they do not want to contribute.

The Village of Newell is a beautiful community, with friendly neighbors who look out for each other and enjoy each others company. While this program is very thoughtful and well meaning, please understand that there may be some neighbors who do not agree, for their own reasons.

I'm sure money can be an issue with some people, and they shouldn’t have to explain that to anyone, or be made uncomfortable because of it.

There are lots of questions about the program itself but that is for a different conversation and is not really relevant to this view.

Please, this is just a different view not an argument.

I am curios what others in the Villages have to say on the issue.

Retired


Because you have posted incorrect information, I will reply. There are 23 AED’s going in Newell. We are asking each household to donate $100. The fund raising committee does not nor ever has gone door-to-door. Some residents have spoken to their neighbors. People feel passionate.
We also have not pressured, shamed or any other improper behavior.
I cannot speak for other residents that may feel passionate, but we don’t condone aggressive behavior. We are not putting people against each other. If you don’t want to participate, don’t.
But also please don’t disparage the hard working people that are trying to get this important program up and running.


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