[BobnBev]

I'm thinking the violator had an "attitude"....and the officer did an "attitude adjustment"

Right or wrong, that's the way it is in the real world.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Walter123

Baloney, no such thing as a "daytime" cart. The brake lights must work if the cart is used off the golf course.

Walter, you may be right. However you can see the statute above. The law does not seem to require a golf cart operated during daylight to have brake lights. So I may be pitching baloney, but please show me that there is a law consistent with your posting.

Here is what the law requires for a golf cart to be operated on an authorized street during the daylight
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine


(6) A golf cart must be equipped with efficient brakes, reliable steering apparatus, safe tires, a rearview mirror, and red reflectorized warning devices in both the front and rear.

There is nothing in that regulation about brake lights, tail lights, turn signals.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Walter123

Yes, I would hope so to the first question and who cares for the second question.

I have already said on this forum that I profile and it has NOTHING to do with race. We all do. Some of us don't admit it.

I was just curious why this incident has raised so much emotion to the OP.

[Walter123]

Originally Posted by blueash

Walter, you may be right. However you can see the statute above. The law does not seem to require a golf cart operated during daylight to have brake lights. So I may be pitching baloney, but please show me that there is a law consistent with your posting.

Here is what the law requires for a golf cart to be operated on an authorized street during the daylight
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine


(6) A golf cart must be equipped with efficient brakes, reliable steering apparatus, safe tires, a rearview mirror, and red reflectorized warning devices in both the front and rear.

There is nothing in that regulation about brake lights, tail lights, turn signals.

Looks like I'm gonna munch on a crow sandwich. Crazy as it is I can't find a brake light law for carts driven between sunrise and sunset.

[Walter123]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I have already said on this forum that I profile and it has NOTHING to do with race. We all do. Some of us don't admit it.

I was just curious why this incident has raised so much emotion to the OP.

You asked two questions and I answered them. Why are you getting defensive?

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Walter123

Looks like I'm gonna munch on a crow sandwich. Crazy as it is I can't find a brake light law for carts driven between sunrise and sunset.

You get the "good poster of the day" award. It is so refreshing to see someone read the comments, do the research, and come back and give an honest reply. Thank you

[blueash]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I have already said on this forum that I profile and it has NOTHING to do with race. We all do. Some of us don't admit it.

I was just curious why this incident has raised so much emotion to the OP.

As the OP (I think directed at me, not you Walter) it raises a little emotion because I don't want my law enforcement making stuff up. I want them being vigilant, honest, polite, and having more courage than I would have. But I don't want them selectively enforcing laws. If I get a ticket for rolling through a stop sign, I expect the governor would be treated the same. If I don't get a ticket for no functioning brake lights, I expect that a person whose face is known to the police will be treated no differently. And if the person has not committed a crime, I certainly don't want police making stuff up to charge them with.

So I read the story on line and could not understand the reason for the arrest and posted on this forum to see if someone else could explain it to me. So far no one has given me a supported reason. It has been suggested it was because she had an attitude, and that she is known to LE, and that they are trying to find any excuse to arrest her. I am not clear why you are asking about race and profiling. Perhaps I am misunderstanding the law, perhaps the cop didn't know the law. The professionalism of our local officers would seem to me to be a very important topic for this forum. So GG, from what you know at this point, are you convinced that the arresting officer(s) performed their duties in the most professional manner possible?

[redwitch]

Many older carts only have back lights when the headlights are on. No brake lights whatsoever. I discovered this when I was following a friend. She stopped short, no lights came on, I bumped her. Mentioned she had no brake lights. She talked to her mechanic. He told her it would cost approximately $300 to add brake lights. She said never mind.

[Chazz]

Blueash, you raise good questions! If the report in the online news source is correct, and complete, there doesn't seem to be a basis for the initial arrest. I suspect that there is more to the story than what was written in the news. It was also stated that she was later arrested on an out-of-county warrant.

[Indydealmaker]

She must have been a VERY habitual offender to lose her license for 5 years.

[redwitch]

If she was that well known to LEOs, why didn't they just pull her records for any warrants and pick her up? I'm with blueash in not liking the idea of her being picked up on a bogus charge that shouldn't hold up in court regardless of past behavior. The liberal in me wants to scream at the perversion of justice. The economic conservative wants to bang some heads together at the waste of money for a trial and potential lawsuit.

As to harassing people of bad repute, it's a pretty common practice. Get 'em out of your town any way you can. Can't I say I totally agree with the practice but I certainly understand it.

[Walter123]

Originally Posted by blueash

You get the "good poster of the day" award. It is so refreshing to see someone read the comments, do the research, and come back and give an honest reply. Thank you

No problem blueash. When you're right you're right and when I'm wrong I'm wrong! Carry on.

[Topspinmo]

IMO the club cars that got the halogen after market lights and blind everybody should be ticketed (IMO club car design lights are not for street use cause the don't shine fwd and down).

You know the ones that have the center light which don't shine down an looks like Freight Train coming or River Barge with the halogen lights. Sure the Driver of the cart can see just fine, but anybody in front get blinded no matter what your driving or walking. Then there's the Jacked up SUV and Trucks where the head lights are above Car roofs.

IMO the laws can be enforced in many ways usually by the officers, once ticket has been written YOU are guilty and it will cost you three times as much to try to prove your not. That's why 99.9% just pay the fine and be done with it.

[BarryRX]

Originally Posted by blueash

So is that a good thing or a bad thing? How is a person supposed to get back into society's good graces if they are being subjected to cops looking for any excuse to arrest them. I suspect few of us could avoid arrest with that level of scrutiny.

By not breaking the law! And I could avoid arrest with that level of scrutiny as well as most everyone I know. I don't know the particulars of this case, and this woman certainly seems like a criminal with warrants for stolen property, possession, and habitual traffic offenses. But if she was stopped for no good reason, then that reminds me of the old days when a rogue cop would stop you and break your taillight with his nightstick if you objected to much. We need to find the line between good police work and imposition of our rights as citizens. It is a tough line to find. I usually like to err on the side of the police. They are brave folks who run towards the sound of gunfire when everyone else is running away. I was taught by my parents that the policeman is my friend. That is why it is so important that we as citizens make sure that the line is never crossed by the police.

[TheVillageChicken]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Would they do the same to a car whose brake lights weren't working? Do you think this person was profiled?

I would say that, yes she was profiled. However, this from the Lake County Sheriff's website provides some insight.


Criminal Profiling -vs- Bias-based Profiling: Criminal profiling is one of many accepted and necessary law enforcement investigative practices. However, it differs from and should not be confused with bias-based profiling. One is an investigative tool; the other, a discriminatory practice. Illegal profiling refers to a decision by a deputy to stop, detain, interdict, or search an individual based on their race, color, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, gender, or economic status. The Lake County Sheriff's Office prohibits illegal profiling as a law enforcement tactic and will not tolerate or condone its use by any of our deputies.