[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

3000 clubs here and this one is not for me.

That's good. Never become addicted to propaganda and you will never need rehabilitation. It's less costly that way.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That's good. Never become addicted to propaganda and you will never need rehabilitation. It's less costly that way.

Does appear we have a much different view on what is propaganda

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Does appear we have a much different view on what is propaganda

And I don't think that is an accident.

Our intelligence services have been telling us for years, that Russian trolls are bombarding all our social media from both sides, intentionally stoking arguments and spreading conspiracies.

Some people relate to and accept one set, others accept the other side, and a fight breaks out.

Once upon a time we fought over polices over a beer. Now we fight about jewish space lasers online.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

There you go!!!!!!!!! You have taken that IMPORTANT 1st step toward throwing off the terrible addiction of PROPAGANDA - that many in the US are suffering from.......congratulations on becoming a member of the propaganda anonymous club!

If anyone knows propaganda, it's you! You post it daily...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

We should go together and have a vasectomy. And maybe that and tube tying should be a requirement for visas to the US. Let's INSPIRE a move toward 280 million US people as our goal. Just think of the great effect that it would have on GLOBAL WARMING.
........That way we would be LEADING the cause, not a mere teenage girl like Greta Thunberg! Come on America, you are better than a little teen girl from Sweden!

So you're for forced sterilization? And you like Wagner... I'm sensing a trend...

But as much as I'd like to have a "boys day out" with you, please keep my junk out of the conversation...

To paraphrase Will Smith, "Keep my Junk Outta' your M*****-F****** Mouth!"

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That was a very good post. As to the "dumbing down of America"........I went to a VERY good PUBLIC school way back in the 60s. But thereafter Public schools were positioned by the rich and POWERFUL to FAIL. Everything goes back to tax policy and public schools are paid for by PROPERTY taxes. Who has the MOST PROPERTY....Why (?) surprise....... it is Rich people, who then manipulate the election of school boards - that then fight to lower costs, which causes bad public school outcomes. And thus the "dumbing down of America". Yes (!) correct, that is a major US problem today. We have many!
Lately, we have to fight even imagined problems. (also involving schools) (who knew schools had become s battleground). We are fighting culture wars conspiracy theories that are born in dark media places and by Putin's Russian trolls. Good luck LADY LIBERTY.....I hope you survive this CRUEL attack!

More Propaganda...

[Laker14]

There are two types of propaganda, the stuff you think is fact because it agrees with the propaganda you've decided is factual, and the stuff you recognize as propaganda, because it disagrees with what you believed before you heard it.
Unfortunately, all "news" falls into one of those two categories.
Or, put another way, freedom of the press means you get to choose which flavor of Kool-Aid you get to drink.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Laker14

There are two types of propaganda, the stuff you think is fact because it agrees with the propaganda you've decided is factual, and the stuff you recognize as propaganda, because it disagrees with what you believed before you heard it.
Unfortunately, all "news" falls into one of those two categories.
Or, put another way, freedom of the press means you get to choose which flavor of Kool-Aid you get to drink.

Once upon a time the NY Times published all the news fit to print now it publishes all the news in a way they agree with.

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Once upon a time the NY Times published all the news fit to print now it publishes all the news in a way they agree with.

Just because print news doesn’t agree with your opinion doesn’t mean it’s Fake News.
Deja Vu I remember the Supreme Court ruling during Watergate. They aren’t Facebook.

[jdulej]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Once upon a time the NY Times published all the news fit to print now it publishes all the news in a way they agree with.

I hear this about the NYT a lot, but I've never seen any examples. Sure, they make mistakes, and usually own up to them, but in general they seem relatively honest to me. I'm referring to the actual news reports, not the opinion section which is, and should be, "opinionated".

I'd love to see some examples (beside the kid hassling and the Indian which I think they owned up to).

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jdulej

I hear this about the NYT a lot, but I've never seen any examples. Sure, they make mistakes, and usually own up to them, but in general they seem relatively honest to me. I'm referring to the actual news reports, not the opinion section which is, and should be, "opinionated".

I'd love to see some examples (beside the kid hassling and the Indian which I think they owned up to).

I would but than it might be construed as political so not going to go there.

However will say this. If you think of their leanings and than read the news articles there is a major similarity.

[jdulej]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

I would but than it might be construed as political so not going to go there.

However will say this. If you think of their leanings and than read the news articles there is a major similarity.

Fair enough. I've been sent to the woodshed enough to be gun shy myself. What would be interesting though, if someone cares to give it a go, would be two news articles covering the same event. One from the times, one from a source considered to be of the opposite leaning but also a mainstream source of news. Then call out the skewed (left or right) parts from each source.
This supports my belief that you cannot get a true or fair picture of the "truth" without considering multiple sources.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Does appear we have a much different view on what is propaganda

As the great poet and philosopher Confucius once said, "One man's Propaganda is another man's Truth". Maybe the History books of the FUTURE will reveal which of us was correct.
.........Note.....Marine Le Pen loved Propaganda and V.Putin and that American guy..........And the French Ravens said, "NEVERMORE"!!!!!!

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

As the great poet and philosopher Confucius once said, "One man's Propaganda is another man's Truth". Maybe the History books of the FUTURE will reveal which of us was correct.

depends upon who writes the history books.
History is as dependent upon who gets to do the editing as a news outlet is.

What gets left out of the writing is often more telling than what gets put in.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by jdulej

Fair enough. I've been sent to the woodshed enough to be gun shy myself. What would be interesting though, if someone cares to give it a go, would be two news articles covering the same event. One from the times, one from a source considered to be of the opposite leaning but also a mainstream source of news. Then call out the skewed (left or right) parts from each source.
This supports my belief that you cannot get a true or fair picture of the "truth" without considering multiple sources.

"This supports my belief that you cannot get a true or fair picture of the "truth" without considering multiple sources."

Agreed. All too many these days, are addicted to 'confirmation bias' and refuse to research and glean the real truth. That is the ugly side effect of professing fealty to a single viewpoint/person/group.