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biker1 04-17-2022 05:16 PM

Bobby Riggs, in his prime, was a very good tennis player. I believe he was ranked number 1 in the world at one point and won several grand slam events. He played, and lost to, Billie Jean King when he was in his mid 50s and she was in her prime. If he was a transgender woman in his prime he would have dominated women's tennis. He was a showman who had a big mouth.

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Originally Posted by dougjb (Post 2084852)
So....does anyone remember the Bobby Riggs and Billie Jean King match?

Imagine Mr. Riggs was transgender. Anyone wanna guess whether that skinny little wuss of a man (even as a woman) would stand a chance against Billie Jean. She worked hard to become a true athlete. He worked hard at working his misogynist mouth off.

Athletes are athletes. If a transgender beat a woman in a particular sport, what was the time differential in the finish. If it was just milliseconds or even seconds, it seems to me that it is just a matter of training. And if the birth woman beat the transgender entrant, perhaps it is due to her very early training in the sport which may have been denied the transgender entrant?

It seems like this thread is making a mountain out of a molehill. I suspect Fox Opinion News has something to do with it. It would appear that so many on this thread are twisting their hankies into knots, crying how unfair....when one must wonder how unfair it really is...if at all!


Jokomo 04-17-2022 05:17 PM

Agreement
 
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2084471)
All you experts in a man is a man and a woman is a woman... What is a person with XXY chromosomes? What is a person with XO? What is a person with XYY? What is a person with ovotestes? What is a person who has cliteromegaly that mimics in all respects a small phallus? What is a person whose brain tells them beyond any shadow of a doubt they are a woman? You experts are so certain in your ignorance and intolerance. The genders are not as simple as you wish or your church may have taught you. It is very complex and the exceptions to your wrongheaded wisdom prove the fallacy of your beliefs.

Of course you would support forcing teachers not to teach the truth about gender identity because telling children the truth would threaten your so tightly held beliefs. There is every color of the rainbow in human expression and experience of sexuality and gender.

And any corporation that understands how the emerging picture of the complexity of gender must be boycotted. Cancel culture I believe is the term the thought police use on TV


Very well said. Thanks for your thoughtful fact based response and questions.

Vermilion Villager 04-17-2022 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 2084392)
As will Mrs. KC and I. Tired of the Woke companies that push that.

Please explain "woke" to us....(This should be good!!!:popcorn:)
Got a C note that says you get it wrong.......

Bogie Shooter 04-17-2022 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2084892)
Please explain "woke" to us....(This should be good!!!:popcorn:)
Got a C note that says you get it wrong.......

I’m waiting too……..

Keefelane66 04-17-2022 05:57 PM

They will never tell you.

jimbomaybe 04-17-2022 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2084867)
School quality and teacher salaries are PURPOSELY kept down by low property taxes (which benefits people that have high property values. The people passing the property taxes are defending themselves against paying a high tax bill. Some call that the "fox guarding the henhouse"


My experience in Chicago is that public school teachers get paid more than the parochial school teachers who turnout much better educated children as compared to the public schools, the difference being parental involvement

JMintzer 04-17-2022 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2084888)
OK, so we agree about the desirability of a safety net for people in society that were NOT born with many of the tools needed to succeed in today's complicated world. My main point is that the acceptance of "trans" people or GENDER FLUID people has changed from (let us say) 1950 to the present - that is PROGRESS. And it makes sense that in the FUTURE there will likely be MORE acceptance. That is barring some cataclysmic event like a war causing social PROGRESS to be on hold.

Which again has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand...

fdpaq0580 04-17-2022 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2084892)
Please explain "woke" to us....(This should be good!!!:popcorn:)
Got a C note that says you get it wrong.......

Will you accept the dictionary definition, or does it have to be the politically correct nonsense?
I can use it in a sentence. " This morning I woke with a hangover."
Do I get a participation trophy?

Bogie Shooter 04-17-2022 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2084916)
Will you accept the dictionary definition, or does it have to be the politically correct nonsense?
I can use it in a sentence. " This morning I woke with a hangover."
Do I get a participation trophy?

The use being questioned was not used in that context.

Garywt 04-17-2022 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Luggage (Post 2084502)
Life isn't fair in so many ways. If I was one of the women swimmers in that contest where they had a transgender competing, I would have gotten out of the pool and refused to swim

This was sad news. To compete and train your entire life in swimming only to be beat by a transgender that was ranted 465 when he was a man is just not fair. He should have competed against men or other transgenders only. Why should that young lady have to settle for 2nd place.

Garywt 04-17-2022 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 2084880)
That crap won’t happen in my immediate family

Really? Is suicide better?

rsmurano 04-17-2022 06:51 PM

I know many people that play sports that stopped buying Nike many years ago when Nike started using Kaepernick for their ads. I will not support any company that supports ex-guys competing in womens sports, cancel culture works both ways.

thevillages2013 04-17-2022 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wamley (Post 2084639)
To a great extent Professional sport salaries are a refections of the amount of money that it brings into the owners and the organization that runs them. Women sports are just not not viewed or produce near the same revenue that men sports do. Example, there are no professional football teams and their basketball teams suffer from revemue short falls. I guess you could put this inder natural selection, not because of prejudice.

Summed up perfectly

Bill14564 04-17-2022 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 2084927)
Hey Mr Smart guy you might want to check your definition of immediate family. If you are so woke you should know the definition. It may have changed a little since the 1940’s:popcorn:

Which definition would you prefer, Merriam-Webster's or the Code of Federal Regulations (1973)?

Woke? It would seem you don't know the meaning of that word either.

kcrazorbackfan 04-17-2022 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackhawksFan (Post 2084571)
Is it a problem when a woman sporting a ***** uses the men's room with you? And if it s why are you looking?

I DO NOT go into public bathrooms unless it’s a single stall and I can lock the doors; it’s one less place where I don’t have to deal with them.

Are you looking?

Laker14 04-17-2022 07:48 PM

I am sympathetic to the struggle of gender identity in this culture. I don't understand it, but that doesn't mean I can't be sympathetic. I agree that the effects of male hormones beyond the onset of puberty give a male-to-female athlete an unfair advantage over non-transgender women. Life is full of tough choices and IMO, if a person makes a decision to go male-to-female transgender, that person should have to accept that competing against women in gender specific sports is just one of the things they'll have to give up.
Beyond that, I don't get the antipathy that is obvious in so many of these posts towards transgenders.

Give people a break. Live and let live. Don't go out of your way to make others' lives, lives you know nothing about, even more difficult.

Is that so hard to do?

heidyho 04-17-2022 07:54 PM

Who cares what you like. Get a life.

John Mayes 04-17-2022 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2084736)
It's much more than that. Billy Gene King in tennis proved that. As a society moves forward it CONFERS THE BLESSING of freedom onto its 2nd class citizens.........because of race or because of being women. At this point in history, the US should move FORWARD toward equal pay for women in sports and everywhere. Or we could go "Handmaiden's Tale" back to burkas and women not being allowed to drive cars. That is unlikely but, it is done now in Afghanistan and the US has some responsibility for that pathetic development. GENDER issues are important issues worldwide!
.........It would be nice if mothers and female power put a stop to autocracy in Russia soon!

WTH??? Not sure that has anything to do with my post.

DaleDivine 04-17-2022 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2084843)
Please show me where this has ever happened (except in your imagination)...

Michelle Wie tried...
:ohdear::ohdear:

gemini5001 04-17-2022 08:27 PM

Going EITHER WAY may double your chances of scoring a date on a Friday night but NOT GOOD in politics or business....lol

gemini5001 04-17-2022 08:33 PM

Thank you.
Agree wholeheartedly !

jdulej 04-17-2022 08:54 PM

Wow! I just came off another 30 day "go stand in the corner" penalty and see that nothing has changed. Not that I expected it to.

Number 10 GI 04-17-2022 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2084892)
Please explain "woke" to us....(This should be good!!!:popcorn:)
Got a C note that says you get it wrong.......

"Woke" is mental illness, same as gender fluidity.

fdpaq0580 04-17-2022 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2084938)
I am sympathetic to the struggle of gender identity in this culture. I don't understand it, but that doesn't mean I can't be sympathetic. I agree that the effects of male hormones beyond the onset of puberty give a male-to-female athlete an unfair advantage over non-transgender women. Life is full of tough choices and IMO, if a person makes a decision to go male-to-female transgender, that person should have to accept that competing against women in gender specific sports is just one of the things they'll have to give up.
Beyond that, I don't get the antipathy that is obvious in so many of these posts towards transgenders.

Give people a break. Live and let live. Don't go out of your way to make others' lives, lives you know nothing about, even more difficult.

Is that so hard to do?

It is normal to feel uncomfortable and distrustful of things that are different. I have worked along side gay, lesbian, and found them friendly and capable as anyone. Some, in the beginning, may seem standoffish or unsure until they know how you are doing to treat them. Normal behavior in a new environment. This is my experience so far.
Straight or gay, I don't care. "Transgender", I don't care. I guess my feeling is that you can say what you would like to be, act the way you want to, but, sometimes you can't actually be what you would like to be. Your DNA is the determining factor of your physical gender. You can't change that. Surgery, hormones and drugs won't change your gender. The best you can do is mimic the other gender. A supposedly "transgender woman" is a actually an altered man, and not actually, genetically a woman. Transgender in humans is a lie.

MartinSE 04-17-2022 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2084868)
Methinks it's YOU who doesn't understand the tax policy...

When 50% of the population pay ZERO federal income taxes (and actually get "refunds" for paying nothing), yes, we have a problem.

If you were really aware of Sweden's tax rates, you would know that EVERYONE pays. They also have a 25% VAT that EVERYONE pays..

In Sweden, MOST (not all) people pay only local tax which ranges between 29.08 and 35.15 per cent depending on municipality, on their annual income. In addition earners above a certain income threshold set by the Tax Agency also pay 20 per cent state tax.

The Swedish tax system includes a so-called basic deduction, a sum that is exempt from the taxable income. The sum differs depending on whether a person is under or over 65, see link above.

So, if you make less than the basic deduction you pay no taxes, sort of like here.

And for the VAT, the standard VAT rate for goods and services in Sweden is 25 per cent, but there are reduced rates of 12 per cent for foodstuffs and 6 percent for books, newspapers, passenger transport within Sweden.

So, lets take the high road, and say citizens in Sweden pay 55% (35% local and 20% state). On top some pay as much as 25% VAT. Kind of a "sales" tax which is sort of like sales tax here. Which runs depending on state between 8% and 12%(?) not sure.

Now, Federal tax rate goes from 0% to 35%, state tax rates vary, CA is highest at 12%, then 9000 local jurisdictions have local income tax up to 3%. So, add those up and your get 50% income tax max for US Citizens. (Let's not quibble over the 40,000 pages of Federal tax code and all the possible infinite variety of marginal rates).

Two things pop out in Sweden you pay more VATG than we pay in sales tax. Agreed.

Second using the highest rates, in the US and Sweden, in Sweden you would pay 55% income tax, and in the US you pay 50%. For that 5% you get Universal healthcare - well, not just you EVERYONE. You (everyone) also gets unemployment compensation, which benefit consists of two parts: a basic unemployment insurance and a voluntary income related benefit. If you retire you are covered by their state run pension plan, which unlike private pension plans in the US which trend to go bankrupt leaving workers holding the bag.

Anyway it goes on and on. The bottom line, Sweden pays MORE taxes, but if you include Heath Insurance in the US, we actually pay a LOT more than they do. And it covers everyone, not like here with 30 million Americans uninsured for healthcare, and vastly more under insured because of massive deductibles and not covered issues. And let's not go into how much better their healthcare outcomes are.

I am not sure what you point of bring up Sweden, but they are far better off than US citizen both in what they pay, and what they get for what they pay.

At least that is my humble opinion.

Laker14 04-18-2022 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2084958)
It is normal to feel uncomfortable and distrustful of things that are different. I have worked along side gay, lesbian, and found them friendly and capable as anyone. Some, in the beginning, may seem standoffish or unsure until they know how you are doing to treat them. Normal behavior in a new environment. This is my experience so far.
Straight or gay, I don't care. "Transgender", I don't care. I guess my feeling is that you can say what you would like to be, act the way you want to, but, sometimes you can't actually be what you would like to be. Your DNA is the determining factor of your physical gender. You can't change that. Surgery, hormones and drugs won't change your gender. The best you can do is mimic the other gender. A supposedly "transgender woman" is a actually an altered man, and not actually, genetically a woman. Transgender in humans is a lie.

Before we get shut down here, I'd like to say I pretty much agree with you. I might exchange your word "lie" with a softer word, but in essence I am in agreement. It's not attainable.

Sabella 04-18-2022 04:52 AM

Stop supporting DISNEY
 
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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 2084349)
Well first it was Nike. Threw away or gave to charity all all my Nike stuff including a golf bag and would never buy anything with a swoosh on it again. Now Adidas is running a commercial pushing transgender women in sports.
Pretty soon I will be barefoot

I’m with you. We all need to stop supporting these companies . Especially DISNEY.

GOLFER54 04-18-2022 05:13 AM

Years ago I bought my sneakers at Pay- Less for $8.99, no name on them and still have them.I will never buy a product from China, or other Big name brand companies, depending on if they differ from my morals or political views.

PersonOfInterest 04-18-2022 05:40 AM

So what do you do when you find out that Sally, that nice Lady across the pickleball net from you is really Salvatore.

Serendipatti 04-18-2022 05:57 AM

Awwww……bless your little heart.

Stu from NYC 04-18-2022 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2084997)
So what do you do when you find out that Sally, that nice Lady across the pickleball net from you is really Salvatore.

Say hello and serve

GizmoWhiskers 04-18-2022 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by I'm Popeye! (Post 2084449)
I agree 100% Stu....., but we found out 2 weeks ago that some people can not determine or identify a "Woman" when asked to define a woman...

Keep in mind that the woke goal is to build utopia by exterminating existence as we know it to currently be, family units, marrage, parents etc. So step one... remove woman... "swoosh, slam dunk" win for the first games of woke home teams like nike, disney and all the future followers of the $$. Now the teams have their high Court referee in place. Olymics will be the gold winner's utopia! Play ball (or not oof).

mkjelenbaas 04-18-2022 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 2084349)
Well first it was Nike. Threw away or gave to charity all all my Nike stuff including a golf bag and would never buy anything with a swoosh on it again. Now Adidas is running a commercial pushing transgender women in sports.
Pretty soon I will be barefoot

I wonder if your actions will hurt the company — or you! Just saying.

JMintzer 04-18-2022 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DaleDivine (Post 2084945)
Michelle Wie tried...
:ohdear::ohdear:

Not a transgender, but yes she tried... And failed...

B-flat 04-18-2022 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by rjgnj321 (Post 2084507)
What a Perfect Statement to make on the day Christians around the world celebrate the Resurrection of a Man who Accepted all those who were different, poor, old, sick, whores, uneducated, homeless, hungry etc……..

Hmmm, I don't remember anything about transgender half man half woman?

JMintzer 04-18-2022 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2084960)
In Sweden, MOST (not all) people pay only local tax which ranges between 29.08 and 35.15 per cent depending on municipality, on their annual income. In addition earners above a certain income threshold set by the Tax Agency also pay 20 per cent state tax.

The Swedish tax system includes a so-called basic deduction, a sum that is exempt from the taxable income. The sum differs depending on whether a person is under or over 65, see link above.

So, if you make less than the basic deduction you pay no taxes, sort of like here.

And for the VAT, the standard VAT rate for goods and services in Sweden is 25 per cent, but there are reduced rates of 12 per cent for foodstuffs and 6 percent for books, newspapers, passenger transport within Sweden.

So, lets take the high road, and say citizens in Sweden pay 55% (35% local and 20% state). On top some pay as much as 25% VAT. Kind of a "sales" tax which is sort of like sales tax here. Which runs depending on state between 8% and 12%(?) not sure.

Now, Federal tax rate goes from 0% to 35%, state tax rates vary, CA is highest at 12%, then 9000 local jurisdictions have local income tax up to 3%. So, add those up and your get 50% income tax max for US Citizens. (Let's not quibble over the 40,000 pages of Federal tax code and all the possible infinite variety of marginal rates).

Two things pop out in Sweden you pay more VATG than we pay in sales tax. Agreed.

Second using the highest rates, in the US and Sweden, in Sweden you would pay 55% income tax, and in the US you pay 50%. For that 5% you get Universal healthcare - well, not just you EVERYONE. You (everyone) also gets unemployment compensation, which benefit consists of two parts: a basic unemployment insurance and a voluntary income related benefit. If you retire you are covered by their state run pension plan, which unlike private pension plans in the US which trend to go bankrupt leaving workers holding the bag.

Anyway it goes on and on. The bottom line, Sweden pays MORE taxes, but if you include Heath Insurance in the US, we actually pay a LOT more than they do. And it covers everyone, not like here with 30 million Americans uninsured for healthcare, and vastly more under insured because of massive deductibles and not covered issues. And let's not go into how much better their healthcare outcomes are.

I am not sure what you point of bring up Sweden, but they are far better off than US citizen both in what they pay, and what they get for what they pay.

At least that is my humble opinion.

My source says you would pay 57.5% as the highest rate in Sweden... Add in the VAT and you're well over 65%...

Oh, and check out how much they tax you to buy a car in Sweden. They increased the tax to "incentivize" people to buy EVs. It crashed the auto sales market...

tsmall22204 04-18-2022 07:01 AM

What a low life response. There is no room here for your politics.

Keefelane66 04-18-2022 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabella (Post 2084979)
I’m with you. We all need to stop supporting these companies . Especially DISNEY.

I’ve never followed people in movements and not about to boycott Disney/Universal nbc
“ God has a special providence for fools, drunks, and the United States of America.”

midiwiz 04-18-2022 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 2084349)
Well first it was Nike. Threw away or gave to charity all all my Nike stuff including a golf bag and would never buy anything with a swoosh on it again. Now Adidas is running a commercial pushing transgender women in sports.
Pretty soon I will be barefoot

not sure why it matters, but if it makes you feel important...... I'm sure Nike doesn't even know you left.

Lindsyburnsy 04-18-2022 07:52 AM

Your good with China’s morals? Asking for a friend.


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