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MartinSE 04-17-2022 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2084770)
There is plenty of money to pay teachers. It's just that the school boards can't run their finances properly...

Well, defined properly. They are very good at paying 10 times what a school book is actually worth, hence someone makes lots of money - hmm, I am sure school board don't think about that.

And let's understand that being an educational administrator requires very high salaries.

Enough sarcasm, I know. They are VERY good at doing what they do, it just has little to nothing to do with Education.

Teachers on the other hand, of the lowest paid on the totem pole, and massively underpaid considering the importance to our kids and the country. Education in todays world economy is extremely valuable.

MartinSE 04-17-2022 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2084742)
Capitalism has plenty of flaws. It just beats out all the other systems.

I completely agree with you, I just wish we had capitalism here.

RayMan 04-17-2022 03:06 PM

jimjamuser You should educate yourself before talking such nonsense. No one wakes up and decides to switch genders... Did you have to sleep with a man to "decide" you were heterosexual? No, you just knew...right? The same goes for gays, lesbians, trans, etc... They know. It's just that because of the lack of acceptance from their family, part of society, etc... they wait to come out when they've built up enough courage to deal with all the negativity that comes from ignorant people like yourself. Live and Let Live!!

jimjamuser 04-17-2022 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2084770)
There is plenty of money to pay teachers. It's just that the school boards can't run their finances properly...

Actually, it is that rich people place other rich people on the school board. Then they vote out expensive programs like vocational (big in the old days) making everyone believe that they MUST go to college and shunning those that prefer to work with their hands. The end result is that property taxes are kept as low as possible by lowering public school costs.
........The other method is to emphasize PRIVATE schools. And then in the private schools, there are many students that will buy the latest fashions like various VERY EXPENSIVE shoe designs and clothing. It becomes pure Capitalism and a high-level consumer's heaven.

RayMan 04-17-2022 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2084718)
I agree with the 2nd sentence. But, I also realize that we are NOT talking about a SIMPLE black and white issue here. Times have changed and GENDER is now much more fluid than in ....say 1950. There are more medical treatments that can alter the original testosterone production of a young male .......to the point of being compliant with the rules of say......the Olympics Committee. I imagine that it must be very complex and put a large and newer burden on Sports Officials to make the determination of GENDER. And the end result/determination will NEVER PLEASE everyone!
......... Since gender fluidity has changed in our lifetimes, imagine (if you will) the future......like in 2100........Gender could mean something very different. Humans may have the capability to change GENDER every 2 years if they desire. Or maybe they could wake up in the morning and say, "today I think I feel like a boy". So, they go into a shower-like area and turn a dial to.......boy. Sounds like a good plot for a science fiction book?

You should educate yourself before talking such nonsense. No one wakes up and decides to switch genders... Did you have to sleep with a man to "decide" you were heterosexual? No, you just knew...right? The same goes for gays, lesbians, trans, etc... They know. It's just that because of the lack of acceptance from their family, part of society, etc... they wait to come out when they've built up enough courage to deal with all the negativity that comes from ignorant people like yourself. Live and Let Live!!

jimjamuser 04-17-2022 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2084789)
Please explain then, why in all primates (our closest cousins in the animal kingdom) are the males stronger than the females?

Only women can give birth (last time I checked), so we never "divided" into anything...

Your "office" analogy has absolutely NOTHING to do with sports, the actual topic at hand...

Actually, in Benovo (may not be spelled correctly) Monkeys, the female monkeys dominate the group. I don.t know why?

Stu from NYC 04-17-2022 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2084791)
I completely agree with you, I just wish we had capitalism here.

Well we are mostly capitalistic but too many people do not understand that you get ahead with hard work not with govt taking care of you.

JMintzer 04-17-2022 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2084800)
Actually, it is that rich people place other rich people on the school board. Then they vote out expensive programs like vocational (big in the old days) making everyone believe that they MUST go to college and shunning those that prefer to work with their hands. The end result is that property taxes are kept as low as possible by lowering public school costs.

Where do you come up with this?

My county (Montgomery County, MD), and the HS my kids went to (Churchill HS, which consistently ranked in the top 3 in the State) spends about 1/2 per student than Baltimore County. They spend about 1/3 of what DC spends per student, with us paying SIGNIFICANTLY higher property taxes.

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........The other method is to emphasize PRIVATE schools. And then in the private schools, there are many students that will buy the latest fashions like various VERY EXPENSIVE shoe designs and clothing. It becomes pure Capitalism and a high-level consumer's heaven.
No idea what this has to do with the discussion, but sure, why not...

I guess you're unaware of the kids being robbed (and even killed) over their expensive sneakers and jackets in the poorer PUBLIC schools...

MartinSE 04-17-2022 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RayMan (Post 2084798)
jimjamuser You should educate yourself before talking such nonsense. No one wakes up and decides to switch genders... Did you have to sleep with a man to "decide" you were heterosexual? No, you just knew...right? The same goes for gays, lesbians, trans, etc... They know. It's just that because of the lack of acceptance from their family, part of society, etc... they wait to come out when they've built up enough courage to deal with all the negativity that comes from ignorant people like yourself. Live and Let Live!!

You see, first you insult someone for disagreeing with you. Then you post something which has little to no scientific evidence to support it. You based your entire post on the idea that LGBTQ "decide" they are not CIS. Some do. Most don't. So, maybe it is you who should educate yourself.

JMintzer 04-17-2022 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2084804)
Actually, in Benovo (may not be spelled correctly) Monkeys, the female monkeys dominate the group. I don.t know why?

Because they're closer to humans? Happy wife (monkey) happy life?

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-17-2022 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GATORBILL66 (Post 2084659)
So if you had a daughter, would it be okay if she had to compete against men? Adidas is promoting men who are transgenders competing against women. That ain't right!

If a transgender man (someone born with the body parts of a woman, but lives as a man) wanted to compete against men, would you be okay with that? If they had their breasts removed, are taking testosterone to make sure their levels are the same as the biological male counterparts, have facial hair, and no uterus or fallopian tubes?

MartinSE 04-17-2022 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2084816)
My county (Montgomery County, MD), and the HS my kids went to (Churchill HS, which consistently ranked in the top 3 in the State) spends about 1/2 per student than Baltimore County. They spend about 1/3 of what DC spends per student, with us paying SIGNIFICANTLY higher property taxes.
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Yours is one, I might say it is THE exception however I am sure there are other examples of "good school systems".

MOST are not efficient. Most have overpaid administration structures. And most have very poor outcomes despite all the money being spent.

Bogie Shooter 04-17-2022 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2084800)
Actually, it is that rich people place other rich people on the school board. Then they vote out expensive programs like vocational (big in the old days) making everyone believe that they MUST go to college and shunning those that prefer to work with their hands. The end result is that property taxes are kept as low as possible by lowering public school costs.
........The other method is to emphasize PRIVATE schools. And then in the private schools, there are many students that will buy the latest fashions like various VERY EXPENSIVE shoe designs and clothing. It becomes pure Capitalism and a high-level consumer's heaven.

More gibberish……

JMintzer 04-17-2022 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2084817)
You see, first you insult someone for disagreeing with you. Then you post something which has little to no scientific evidence to support it. You based your entire post on the idea that LGBTQ "decide" they are not CIS. Some do. Most don't. So, maybe it is you who should educate yourself.

Ummm... Methinks that you're actually AGREEING with what RayMan said...

I suggest you go back and CAREFULLY re-read his post...

Bogie Shooter 04-17-2022 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2084804)
Actually, in Benovo (may not be spelled correctly) Monkeys, the female monkeys dominate the group. I don.t know why?

Bonobo, Google is your friend.

Bayco 04-17-2022 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm Popeye! (Post 2084449)
I agree 100% Stu....., but we found out 2 weeks ago that some people can not determine or identify a "Woman" when asked to define a woman...

Sure. Make this remark and ignore the context the question was asked. This entire post is very political.

JMintzer 04-17-2022 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2084821)
Yours is one, I might say it is THE exception however I am sure there are other examples of "good school systems".

MOST are not efficient. Most have overpaid administration structures. And most have very poor outcomes despite all the money being spent.

I never said our system is efficient. They waste money with the best of them. They SHOULD be paying their teachers more, as well.

It's just that they don't waste money on the epic scale that other places do...

If spending more money was the answer, those areas spending 3 X's as much should have much better results, right?

Oh, and much of their success comes from parental involvement...

I remember one "Back to School Night". A new teacher walked into his "standing room only classroom, thinking many of us were in the wrong room. When he was assured we were all in the right place, he commented that he had never had that many people over the entire night as he did in his first period class...

MartinSE 04-17-2022 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2084820)
If a transgender man (someone born with the body parts of a woman, but lives as a man) wanted to compete against men, would you be okay with that? If they had their breasts removed, are taking testosterone to make sure their levels are the same as the biological male counterparts, have facial hair, and no uterus or fallopian tubes?

Point made, I agree. I also say, the same could be said for Intersex people and others.

Whaat about Trisomy women, women with three Chromosomes? There are around 0.1% in the general population - that would be about 150,000 in the general population. Hmm. wonder what they are, since I have been told in this forum under no uncertain terms, that men have 2 and women have two. So, those 150,000 "people" (maybe not people?) are something else?

There is another case called Triploidy with 3 sets of Chromosomes which affects arounds 2% of all pregnancies but it is almost always fatal - the baby/fetus seldom survives. What do we put on their death/birth certificates? Male, female? I guess those fetuses just DECIDED to have 3...

It seems so easy to define "woman" today.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-17-2022 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2084648)
If a woman works her tail off to get an athletic scholarship and than along comes a male who decides to be a female and gets her scholarship is that ok with you?

If it was your daughter would you say who cares? I do not think so.

If a man works his tail off to get an athletic scholarship and along comes a woman who "decides to be a male" and gets his scholarship and beats the snot out of the first man because the transgender man turned out to be just flat out better at the sport than the non-trans man, does that make the non-trans man a wuss? Or does it just make the one who transed better at the sport?

MartinSE 04-17-2022 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2084828)
I never said our system is efficient. They waste money with the best of them. They SHOULD be paying their teachers more, as well.

It's just that they don't waste money on the epic scale that other places do...

If spending more money was the answer, those areas spending 3 X's as much should have much better results, right?

Oh, and much of their success comes from parental involvement...

I remember one "Back to School Night". A new teacher walked into his "standing room only classroom, thinking many of us were in the wrong room. When he was assured we were all in the right place, he commented that he had never had that many people over the entire night as he did in his first period class...

Sorry, I should have been clearer and said your school was "more efficient" . :)

I completely agree, parental involvement is a major factor in school success. Of course that will open the door to what the parents should be involved in, but that is another debate.

Let's just agree that the more a child's parents are involved in their education and "up bringing" (there an oldie phrase) the better the odds are for a positive outcome for the child. If only everyone could be more involved, I wonder what they isn't the case?

JMintzer 04-17-2022 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2084820)
If a transgender man (someone born with the body parts of a woman, but lives as a man) wanted to compete against men, would you be okay with that? If they had their breasts removed, are taking testosterone to make sure their levels are the same as the biological male counterparts, have facial hair, and no uterus or fallopian tubes?

It'll never happen, as they won't be able to compete on a physical basis. Your analogy fails to consider the developmental changes that occur during puberty...

(And I'm not talking about sports not requiring strength and stamina, such as archery, skeet shooting, etc...)

Bill14564 04-17-2022 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2084831)
If a man works his tail off to get an athletic scholarship and along comes a woman who "decides to be a male" and gets his scholarship and beats the snot out of the first man because the transgender man turned out to be just flat out better at the sport than the non-trans man, does that make the non-trans man a wuss? Or does it just make the one who transed better at the sport?

When that starts happening I’m sure there will be a discussion about it. Do you have an example today?

jimjamuser 04-17-2022 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RayMan (Post 2084798)
jimjamuser You should educate yourself before talking such nonsense. No one wakes up and decides to switch genders... Did you have to sleep with a man to "decide" you were heterosexual? No, you just knew...right? The same goes for gays, lesbians, trans, etc... They know. It's just that because of the lack of acceptance from their family, part of society, etc... they wait to come out when they've built up enough courage to deal with all the negativity that comes from ignorant people like yourself. Live and Let Live!!

I think that an important part of my post was overlooked. I said to pretend that we were in the FUTURE in the year 2100. And there could be some strange and unpredictable changes in GENDER FLUIDITY. It was like a thought experiment.....a way to look at the subject differently.

MartinSE 04-17-2022 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2084840)
I think that an important part of my post was overlooked. I said to pretend that we were in the FUTURE in the year 2100. And there could be some strange and unpredictable changes in GENDER FLUIDITY. It was like a thought experiment.....a way to look at the subject differently.

Thought? What is that?

JMintzer 04-17-2022 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2084831)
If a man works his tail off to get an athletic scholarship and along comes a woman who "decides to be a male" and gets his scholarship and beats the snot out of the first man because the transgender man turned out to be just flat out better at the sport than the non-trans man, does that make the non-trans man a wuss? Or does it just make the one who transed better at the sport?

Please show me where this has ever happened (except in your imagination)...

jimjamuser 04-17-2022 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2084811)
Well we are mostly capitalistic but too many people do not understand that you get ahead with hard work not with govt taking care of you.

Actually, the government (ideally) takes care of people that, for many reasons, can't take care of themselves. It reaches out a hand to lift up people. Help them to get healthcare and a roof over their head. It gives them human dignity. Not everyone is 100% fit to work hard. Many wish that they were. Life is like the luck of the draw and not everyone comes out lucky. Some have at birth disadvantages that you and I would not be able to overcome no matter how hard we tried.
........It is easy to sit in the "high castle " and look down. It is harder to relate to those down there looking up.

JMintzer 04-17-2022 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2084846)
Actually, the government (ideally) takes care of people that, for many reasons, can't take care of themselves. It reaches out a hand to lift up people. Help them to get healthcare and a roof over their head. It gives them human dignity. Not everyone is 100% fit to work hard. Many wish that they were. Life is like the luck of the draw and not everyone comes out lucky. Some have at birth disadvantages that you and I would not be able to overcome no matter how hard we tried.
........It is easy to sit in the "high castle " and look down. It is harder to relate to those down there looking up.

No one suggested there shouldn't be a "safety net"...

But admitting that would destroy your argument...

dougjb 04-17-2022 04:11 PM

So....does anyone remember the Bobby Riggs and Billie Jean King match?

Imagine Mr. Riggs was transgender. Anyone wanna guess whether that skinny little wuss of a man (even as a woman) would stand a chance against Billie Jean. She worked hard to become a true athlete. He worked hard at working his misogynist mouth off.

Athletes are athletes. If a transgender beat a woman in a particular sport, what was the time differential in the finish. If it was just milliseconds or even seconds, it seems to me that it is just a matter of training. And if the birth woman beat the transgender entrant, perhaps it is due to her very early training in the sport which may have been denied the transgender entrant?

It seems like this thread is making a mountain out of a molehill. I suspect Fox Opinion News has something to do with it. It would appear that so many on this thread are twisting their hankies into knots, crying how unfair....when one must wonder how unfair it really is...if at all!

jimjamuser 04-17-2022 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2084816)
Where do you come up with this?

My county (Montgomery County, MD), and the HS my kids went to (Churchill HS, which consistently ranked in the top 3 in the State) spends about 1/2 per student than Baltimore County. They spend about 1/3 of what DC spends per student, with us paying SIGNIFICANTLY higher property taxes.



No idea what this has to do with the discussion, but sure, why not...

I guess you're unaware of the kids being robbed (and even killed) over their expensive sneakers and jackets in the poorer PUBLIC schools...

I am aware of crime in poor areas. But, in a country with the highest GNP in the world, I would ask WHY ARE THERE ANY POOR AREAS! Is it because the powers that BE
have made it that way and they like it that way? The US is ranked only about 30th in UPWARD MOBILITY in the world. Sweden, Finland, and Norway kill us and are in the top ten. I ask YOU, WHY IS THIS, why IS the US so far behind? Are we inhuman, non-caring beasts comparatively?
........If you don't understand the tax policy set up to accommodate the rich in the US compared to Sweden. Or you choose to look away. If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. And in the US, there are a lot of problems. And most shield their eyes and pretend that we are #1. #1 at what? Stealing from the poor and giving to the rich?

JMintzer 04-17-2022 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dougjb (Post 2084852)
So....does anyone remember the Bobby Riggs and Billie Jean King match?

Imagine Mr. Riggs was transgender. Anyone wanna guess whether that skinny little wuss of a man (even as a woman) would stand a chance against Billie Jean. She worked hard to become a true athlete. He worked hard at working his misogynist mouth off.

Athletes are athletes. If a transgender beat a woman in a particular sport, what was the time differential in the finish. If it was just milliseconds or even seconds, it seems to me that it is just a matter of training. And if the birth woman beat the transgender entrant, perhaps it is due to her very early training in the sport which may have been denied the transgender entrant?

It seems like this thread is making a mountain out of a molehill. I suspect Fox Opinion News has something to do with it. It would appear that so many on this thread are twisting their hankies into knots, crying how unfair....when one must wonder how unfair it really is...if at all!

He was also 26 years older than she was (55 vs 29), and no longer playing competitive tennis so there's that...

But nice try...

JMintzer 04-17-2022 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2084856)
I am aware of crime in poor areas. But, in a country with the highest GNP in the world, I would ask WHY ARE THERE ANY POOR AREAS! Is it because the powers that BE
have made it that way and they like it that way? The US is ranked only about 30th in UPWARD MOBILITY in the world. Sweden, Finland, and Norway kill us and are in the top ten. I ask YOU, WHY IS THIS, why IS the US so far behind? Are we inhuman, non-caring beasts comparatively?
........If you don't understand the tax policy set up to accommodate the rich in the US compared to Sweden. Or you choose to look away. If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. And in the US, there are a lot of problems. And most shield their eyes and pretend that we are #1. #1 at what? Stealing from the poor and giving to the rich?

I'd explain it to you, but it would have to be a political post and I don't want another vacation... But there are benefits to keeping people dependent on government support...

jimjamuser 04-17-2022 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2084828)
I never said our system is efficient. They waste money with the best of them. They SHOULD be paying their teachers more, as well.

It's just that they don't waste money on the epic scale that other places do...

If spending more money was the answer, those areas spending 3 X's as much should have much better results, right?

Oh, and much of their success comes from parental involvement...

I remember one "Back to School Night". A new teacher walked into his "standing room only classroom, thinking many of us were in the wrong room. When he was assured we were all in the right place, he commented that he had never had that many people over the entire night as he did in his first period class...

School quality and teacher salaries are PURPOSELY kept down by low property taxes (which benefits people that have high property values. The people passing the property taxes are defending themselves against paying a high tax bill. Some call that the "fox guarding the henhouse"

JMintzer 04-17-2022 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2084856)
........If you don't understand the tax policy set up to accommodate the rich in the US compared to Sweden. Or you choose to look away. If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. And in the US, there are a lot of problems. And most shield their eyes and pretend that we are #1. #1 at what? Stealing from the poor and giving to the rich?

Methinks it's YOU who doesn't understand the tax policy...

When 50% of the population pay ZERO federal income taxes (and actually get "refunds" for paying nothing), yes, we have a problem.

If you were really aware of Sweden's tax rates, you would know that EVERYONE pays. They also have a 25% VAT that EVERYONE pays...

Stu from NYC 04-17-2022 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2084867)
School quality and teacher salaries are PURPOSELY kept down by low property taxes (which benefits people that have high property values. The people passing the property taxes are defending themselves against paying a high tax bill. Some call that the "fox guarding the henhouse"

Not many places where they have to educate a lot of kids have low property taxes. At least that is what I see in the world I live in.

thevillages2013 04-17-2022 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rjgnj321 (Post 2084507)
What a Perfect Statement to make on the day Christians around the world celebrate the Resurrection of a Man who Accepted all those who were different, poor, old, sick, whores, uneducated, homeless, hungry etc……..

When they confessed their sins! Not acting like it is the norm!

thevillages2013 04-17-2022 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2084553)
Interesting statement. :oops:

That’s exactly what I was thinking!:bigbow:

thevillages2013 04-17-2022 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackhawksFan (Post 2084567)
So you're fearful of transgender people. What did they ever do to you?

May you be blessed with a transgender grandchild.

That crap won’t happen in my immediate family

thevillages2013 04-17-2022 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2084617)
Actually, you have more power as a customer than you have as someone who doesn't help them profit.

You also have more power as a shareholder.

If you really want them to change their tune, you'll buy stock in their company and attend their stockholder meetings, and use your power of the vote to make them change.

Until then, it's just more noise from Charlie Brown's teacher.

Pretty sure that I have influenced a bunch of smart people to stop buying Adidas

Bill14564 04-17-2022 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 2084880)
That crap won’t happen in my immediate family

Since your grandchild is not your immediate family then by definition it won't (but you are smart enough to know that, right?).

I hope if a grandchild does identify as trans that he will not be met by this hostility since *that* will certainly affect your immediate family.

jimjamuser 04-17-2022 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2084851)
No one suggested there shouldn't be a "safety net"...

But admitting that would destroy your argument...

OK, so we agree about the desirability of a safety net for people in society that were NOT born with many of the tools needed to succeed in today's complicated world. My main point is that the acceptance of "trans" people or GENDER FLUID people has changed from (let us say) 1950 to the present - that is PROGRESS. And it makes sense that in the FUTURE there will likely be MORE acceptance. That is barring some cataclysmic event like a war causing social PROGRESS to be on hold.


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