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kstew43 08-17-2016 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1273343)
Nobody is arguing the point that anyone can rent a golf cart and drive around on the MMP paths - there is no way to prevent that. You said you didn't see the issue with residents of Stonecrest having access to the MMP paths. I see an issue with that. They don't pay to maintain them so they shouldn't be granted access. Just like we don't grant them access to the pools, rec centers, or executive golf courses which are all maintained by the fees you pay to the CDD.
you are absolutely right.....but stonecrest and occassional cart renters IMHO fit into the same catagory. seems can't stop either of them......

dewilson58 08-17-2016 03:07 PM
Happy Trails

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ColdNoMore 08-17-2016 03:19 PM
Bookmark this thread/post, because I predict in the not too distant future all TV homeowners will be required to register their personal carts and display their registration on their windshields or somewhere else on the cart that is prominent.

That will stop those dozen or so carts a day, that have the unmitigated gall to use and destroy our trails. :loco:

Allegiance 08-17-2016 03:35 PM
If the trails are private property can't the powers that be ask us for our Village ID as they do at pools?

Or they can man the famous golf cart gate permanently or occasionally and ask for Village ID or no entry.

Moderator 08-17-2016 04:12 PM
The topic of this thread is the possible closure of the path behind the Duke Energy property that provides access to various merchants. Please return to that topic.

If you wish to discuss access to Villages MMPs by outside carts, you may start a new thread on that topic. Further posts with this topic within the above thread will be deleted.

Moderator

Barefoot 08-17-2016 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix (Post 1273199)
My yard man told me the scoop on this. I used Google Translator to put his words into English. It seems that the evil ones who run The Villages...I think they are collectively known as "They".....were sitting around drinking brandy and smoking illegal Cuban cigars, when Janet Tutt said she wished there were a way to deflect some of the daily criticism she receives. One of the minions who runs The Villages sign painting operation, suggested they use a ploy whereby another institution appears to do something so dastardly that Janet gets a few days respite. There you have it.
:laugh:
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Originally Posted by kstew43 (Post 1273240)
...we had friends visit and they rented a golf cart for $21 for 24 hours from the villages golf cart store. so non-villagers can rent a golf cart anytime they choose, for a very low amount and use the paths that...we pay for...
:gc: Yes, people can rent a golf cart from The Villages Golf Cart Store and drive around on the MM paths.
It wouldn't be my idea of a good time, and I wouldn't spend $21 to drive on the MM paths, but obviously it appeals to your friends.
I'm not sure it has anything to do with people from adjacent communities bringing in their personal golf carts and driving on our MM paths.
But I don't think it's a large enough problem that Villagers need to be overly concerned about it.

dewilson58 08-17-2016 04:15 PM
Bare, you were typing when the moderator was typing.


:censored:


:wave:

graciegirl 08-17-2016 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1273512)
Bare, you were typing when the moderator was typing.


:censored:


:wave:
They are good folks, the moderators. I have been accused of being one, but no, I have never. But they do hold me back at times from getting my ounce of flesh.

Barefoot 08-17-2016 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1273512)
Bare, you were typing when the moderator was typing.
I realized that when I saw the note from the Mods; so perhaps I'll be forgiven.
Darn it, I know better! But sometimes I can't resist being drawn away from the topic. Me bad.

ColdNoMore 08-17-2016 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Moderator (Post 1273508)
The topic of this thread is the possible closure of the path behind the Duke Energy property that provides access to various merchants. Please return to that topic.

If you wish to discuss access to Villages MMPs by outside carts, you may start a new thread on that topic. Further posts with this topic within the above thread will be deleted.

Moderator
I took your advice and started a new thread...with a poll no less! :D

Hopefully, you don't mind me linking it to your post. :o


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...-carts-206104/

dewilson58 08-17-2016 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1273529)
I realized that when I saw the note from the Mods; so perhaps I'll be forgiven.
Darn it, I know better! But sometimes I can't resist being drawn away from the topic. Me bad.
I thought it was pretty cool of the big M to let your post stay given the timing.

:024:

photo1902 08-17-2016 06:56 PM
I love the people complaining how bad traffic is on 441. I drive it (from the Brownwood area) at least every other day to the area of Lowe's. All I can say is the complainers must have never lived in a major metropolitan area if they think 441 is bad, traffic wise. And as far as the cart path goes...get over it. Get in your car and go to Lowe's or Walmart.

Cajulian 08-17-2016 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Villageswimmer (Post 1273335)
Has any Duke customer called to ask?
I heard Duke was flooded with calls on this topic.

Cajulian 08-17-2016 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1273343)
Nobody is arguing the point that anyone can rent a golf cart and drive around on the MMP paths - there is no way to prevent that. You said you didn't see the issue with residents of Stonecrest having access to the MMP paths. I see an issue with that. They don't pay to maintain them so they shouldn't be granted access. Just like we don't grant them access to the pools, rec centers, or executive golf courses which are all maintained by the fees you pay to the CDD.
The only problem with your premis is that all the main roads thru TV's are public and as such the paths that run along side of them are not illegal for non-villagers to drive their carts on.

Also why is Stonecrest even being mentioned in this topic again. Since the Paradise Gate was put up they are almost non-existent in the traffic on TV's paths. Almost all of the Stonecrest traffic is only over the 15 year old Duke property path to Walmart, Aldi's, Bealls Plaza, and Lowes. You really need to find a new scapegoat for your other issues.

villagetinker 08-17-2016 07:20 PM
Assuming that all setback, lot clearance, golf cart path width, and safety issues could be addressed, Duke could possibly enter into a right of way agreement with the villages to have the villages install and maintain a golf cart path in this area. This might be the best situation, as it would relieve Duke of liability concerns, and The Villages would just be adding to their already large inventory of golf cart paths.

Cajulian 08-17-2016 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 1273635)
Assuming that all setback, lot clearance, golf cart path width, and safety issues could be addressed, Duke could possibly enter into a right of way agreement with the villages to have the villages install and maintain a golf cart path in this area. This might be the best situation, as it would relieve Duke of liability concerns, and The Villages would just be adding to their already large inventory of golf cart paths.
And what do you do with The Stonecrest people that use this same Duke path that abuts to one of their gates on the back south side of Walmart. Also since they had been in discussions with Walmart (who supports the use) and Duke to continue this capability over the past year.

All of the stores and restaurants in this immediate area benefit from primarily Stonecrest, Orange Blossum, and some Spanish Springs area carts. It would be nice to have a right of way reciprocal agreement as all residents and stores benefit a great deal. Duke is the only one that doesn't profit on it. But they keep all their power customers happy. And the current path since upgraded is very wide and all wild brush has been removed. It used to be a heavily wooded area with occasional homeless people in there. They have all since relocated because the area is too open now. Now it is a pretty decent path and Duke and Mr. Brown have both allowed this use now for 15 years with no complaints or liability issues.

justjim 08-17-2016 07:35 PM
I'm not a current customer of Duke
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Villageswimmer (Post 1273335)
Has any Duke customer called to ask?
I don't know but If I was a current customer of Duke I would call them especially if a golf cart was my only means of transportation. I would want to know exactly how to interpret the signs that were recently posted along the golf trail. Note: At one time we did own a manufactured home on the historical side of TV and was a good customer of Duke Energy.

njbchbum 08-17-2016 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajulian (Post 1273631)
The only problem with your premis is that all the main roads thru TV's are public and as such the paths that run along side of them are not illegal for non-villagers to drive their carts on.
snipped
What was your analysis that allowed you to reach that conclusion? I have never seen nor heard of any authority other than TV building and maintaining them.

Fredman 08-17-2016 08:26 PM
Those with the gold make the rules. So, find another way to walmart

dewilson58 08-17-2016 08:36 PM
Wow.............100

rustyp 08-18-2016 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Allegiance (Post 1273288)
The signs are on either side of the path, and observation today indicates interpretation is that it means stay on the path. It's business as usual and everyone is happy.
Interesting observation. Could be some credence in this theory if both ends of the path were not posted. Do you know if the no trespass signs are at both the Walmart and Aldi's ends (i.e. a total of 4 signs)?

Allegiance 08-18-2016 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1273731)
Interesting observation. Could be some credence in this theory if both ends of the path were not posted. Do you know if the no trespass signs are at both the Walmart and Aldi's ends (i.e. a total of 4 signs)?
There were no signs posted at the Aldi end. The signs started about 50 feet into the path after leaving Aldi. I will try to report on the Walmart end. Although I did observe many carts going in both directions, I wanted to give it at least a day before I crossed as I did not have to go to Walmart yesterday and did not want to be a test case. I do have a yearning for ice cream

(Chocolate Truffle
It’s every chocolate-lover’s dream! Savor the creamy, delicious taste of Breyers® dark chocolate ice cream and pieces of dark chocolate truffles in every bite)

...and since walmart carries this flavor and has the best price by far, I may have to risk arrest today.

JoelJohnson 08-18-2016 07:31 AM
So, did anybody call Duke?

biker1 08-18-2016 07:33 AM
Wrong. The MPPs are owned by the CDDs and are maintained with fees paid to the CDDs by Villages residents. "Illegal" is your term, not mine.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cajulian (Post 1273631)
The only problem with your premis is that all the main roads thru TV's are public and as such the paths that run along side of them are not illegal for non-villagers to drive their carts on.

Also why is Stonecrest even being mentioned in this topic again. Since the Paradise Gate was put up they are almost non-existent in the traffic on TV's paths. Almost all of the Stonecrest traffic is only over the 15 year old Duke property path to Walmart, Aldi's, Bealls Plaza, and Lowes. You really need to find a new scapegoat for your other issues.

maureenod 08-18-2016 07:50 AM
I have no dog in this fight, but did anyone get permission first, to " clean up" the path? Bringing heavy equipment doesn't seem right. As in many states, there may even a law that if you use land for a number of years it becomes a right of way.

Villageswimmer 08-18-2016 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by maureenod (Post 1273769)
I have no dog in this fight, but did anyone get permission first, to " clean up" the path? Bringing heavy equipment doesn't seem right. As in many states, there may even a law that if you use land for a number of years it becomes a right of way.

No dog in this fight, either. Just wondering...could it be that prior to the "cleanup/improvements" the owner looked the other way, and now that it looks more official, they can no longer afford to do that and need to recognize liability issues? Did the cleaner-uppers shoot themselves in the foot?? Just a thought.

OAN, will golf cart insurance cover owners who have an accident while trespassing? I'd check with my insurance company before ignoring the signs. Insurance companies like to look for reasons to deny claims.

dewilson58 08-18-2016 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Villageswimmer (Post 1273837)
No dog in this fight, either. Just wondering...could it be that prior to the "cleanup/improvements" the owner looked the other way, and now that it looks more official, they can no longer afford to do that and need to recognize liability issues? Did the cleaner-uppers shoot themselves in the foot?? Just a thought.

OAN, will golf cart insurance cover owners who have an accident while trespassing? I'd check with my insurance company before ignoring the signs. Insurance companies like to look for reasons to deny claims.
JMO...........I don't think Duke looked the other way. Keep in mind how big they are and I bet it didn't even show up on anyone's radar. But with the improvements, with the press coverage someone within Duke that cared, might have said.............Holy cow, we have a hiway going thru our property.

Good question on insurance.............some policies deny coverage during illegal acts.

This is such a fun thread.

looneycat 08-18-2016 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DrThunder (Post 1273330)
If Walmart, Aldies, & Lowes would just agree to pay that % of revenue to TV that the other merchants do, we'd have none of these problems on that side of the road.

Personally, I'd be willing to pay an extra annual fee to TV for a Golf Cart sticker to have access to that Walmart etc. and a maintained path. It's always about $, so a reasonable fee for TV residents and the other communities would probably make everybody happy and a little more money in the Morse family's coffers which is always important. You know the merchants love the business and those that use it wouldn't mind a small fee. Not so different than a toll or paying for parking.

Instead, we have to pretend it's about all these other issues when it's just profits. No different than paying a parking fee. For that matter, why not sell access to TV amenities for the surrounding communities as well? No different than joining a country club. Price it high enough so that you don't get riffraff and make money to boot. Keeps the monthly fee for TV residents lower too. Problems solved!
sorry, no!

Allegiance 08-18-2016 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1273731)
Interesting observation. Could be some credence in this theory if both ends of the path were not posted. Do you know if the no trespass signs are at both the Walmart and Aldi's ends (i.e. a total of 4 signs)?
I did go thru the path today. The signs on both ends are far from the entrances (at least 150 feet on one end, at least 50 feet on other) and It's obvious to me and the others going thru that the six signs total are meant to keep people off the facilities operational areas. That one line newspaper did no research and got the purpose of the signs wrong and they were very wrong on the signs location. Thank you mods for deleting the looney posts from uninterested parties. Please consider a ban.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...f1acc69bf5.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...1ffeba55e6.jpg

graciegirl 08-18-2016 12:27 PM
What are these pictures of?

Allegiance 08-18-2016 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1273913)
What are these pictures of?
1st picture entrance to path from Aldi, no signs in site,

2nd picture just beyond same entrance, if you look way down , end of fence on right you can see a sign, but not even a hawk can read it until you get much closer.

Thank you Gracie, I forgot to describe pictures. Will post more pics with descriptions.

aln 08-18-2016 12:54 PM
with the way people park around here I doubt a sign will keep anyone off the path

Allegiance 08-18-2016 02:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allegiance (Post 1273916)
1st picture entrance to path from Aldi, no signs in site,

2nd picture just beyond same entrance, if you look way down , end of fence on right you can see a sign, but not even a hawk can read it until you get much closer.

Thank you Gracie, I forgot to describe pictures. Will post more pics with descriptions.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...719ddddfbd.jpg

Picture coming from Walmart, signs are closer to this path entrance, about 50 feet. Notice mph sign in middle of no trespassing signs on either side of path.

Fred R 08-18-2016 02:13 PM
Aw hell, I'm still goin' until someone puts up a fence!

Allegiance 08-18-2016 02:14 PM
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chuckinca 08-18-2016 04:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by maureenod (Post 1273769)
I have no dog in this fight, but did anyone get permission first, to " clean up" the path? Bringing heavy equipment doesn't seem right. As in many states, there may even a law that if you use land for a number of years it becomes a right of way.

The cart path from Paradise Drive to Walmart has been in use for over 15 years by Villages and Stonecrest residents until the developer reinstalled the cart gate that was removed by order of the Town of Lady Lake many years ago.

The cart paths in the roadways are public roads not MMP's.
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ColdNoMore 08-18-2016 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Fred R (Post 1273988)
Aw hell, I'm still goin' until someone puts up a fence!
:1rotfl:


As I mentioned previously, if they really didn't want anyone using this trail it would only take about 30 minutes with a backhoe to make it totally inaccessible.

Which leads me to believe, the signs were put there purely to try and cover themselves legally. :shrug:

NoMoSno 08-18-2016 04:37 PM
Let's hope no one defaces or removes the signs.
That will be the quickest way to get Duke to fence it again....

chuckinca 08-18-2016 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1274057)
:1rotfl:


As I mentioned previously, if they really didn't want anyone using this trail it would only take a bout 30 minutes with a backhoe to make it totally inaccessible.

Which leads me to believe, the signs were put there purely to try and cover themselves legally. :shrug:
I believe it was last year that Duke installed a fence that blocked access. Believe it was taken down by them the same day.

Why the sign and not a new fence?

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justjim 08-18-2016 05:56 PM
Apparently none of the posters on this Thread are current customers of Duke Energy. If you are, call them for an interpretation of the posted signs. Let us know what you find out.


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