I would advise against that.

The only thing 'they' can tell you (if 'they' are smart)...is that the signs speak for themselves.

I think the smarter course of action would be for those who use it, to continue to do so, keep quiet and wait until such time (if it happens) until access is physically blocked...or folks start getting tickets.

Sleeping dogs and all that.

That's my $.02 on it. :shrug:

Duke has great lawyers, under no circumstances will they tell people "go ahead use your golf carts across our property." They will close it off one day a year or when necessary to avoid adverse possession.

I agree, from now on I treat this like "fight club."

Duke has never installed a fence and then taken it down. The only wall that was put up was where the gate now sits at Paradise. The wall was forced to be taken down within a few days of it being put up. Villagers protested in Spanish Springs that year and the wall came down.

Well...The wall is still there and it has a reading device that allows Villagers in and out and everyone else is allowed out if they are driving a golf cart except for those who live on the outside with street legal carts.

Yes, in 2012 it was fenced.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...ht=duke+energy

The wall isn't still there.

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topspinmo: Perhaps the no trespassing sign is the first step? Posters may not be aware that this act is to make it clear as to the status of people as either invitees or trespassers. By virtue of the fact that people have been using this trail for years without such a notice posted Duke energy maybe in the position of acting as if they accepted golf cart drivers as invitees. So they decide for liability purposes to post the no trespassing sign. If the abuse continues then perhaps they will go to the next step and erect a gate.

I really can't blame them because Energy Companies are a huge target for lawsuits. Let me give you an actual case. A thief was trying to extract copper from a utility station got electrified lost two arms and a jury awarded him millions

Posters here are demanding rights they do not really have due to their personal circumstances. How far should one go to accommodate? We all make choices and if we do not want to live with them then decisions have to be made.

when I first got here I was at a deli when I guy approached me and asked if I lived in TV. I said yes and he literally laughed in my face and said I bought in Stonecrest got a better deal, etc and still got the villages lifestyle. I'll admit that conversation stuck in my crawl.

A poster mentioned that villagers are welcome to Stonecrest. Of course who is going to turn down business. Stonecrest people have access to anything in the village commercial district..its public Its the remainder that's in question and paid for exclusively by residents of TV and that's were the rub comes in

Resident pay premium prices for homes and incur monthly fees to live here. they made their choice and as the community grows so does the crowding. Come September morning that reality is going to begin to hit us in the face again.

The card reader. The card reader. This limits access "like" a wall.

Duh.

I think the signs are there to keep people ON the path and away from the other property. The fenced in area should be safe, unless someone climbs the fence. The other property is easy to get to, but I doubt they want anyone near it because of the power station.

What the Heck
 

What the heck. We drove our cart to Lowe's yesterday, over the cart path. There were no signs and nothing has changed? Where are the signs everybody is talking about. Gate worked fine.:ho:

This is the path between Aldies and Walmart, not the one on the path on the way to Lowes.

no trespassing is not a keep on the path sign. tickets are not the usual result, arrests are.

A thoughtful post
 

There you have it. As thoughtful an explanation as we are going to get. Fore!

If they wanted to allow open access, wouldn't Duke have posted "Keep on the Path" signs rather than "No Trespassing" signs?

Thoughtful...hmmm. Wishful...definitely.

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Stonecrest would simply like what was advertised when you buy a house here.

Without a sign posted people entering duke energy property who are not invitees are then classified as trespassers. An invitee is a customer, a supplier, etc if you have no business there then you are trespassing. the posting of the sign only solidifies that fact and in event of a lawsuit closes that questionable gap.

One poster made mention of the roads in TV as being public and hence cart paths also. what he was referring do was the diamond lanes that run parallel to the public roads. The multi-modal paths are private however. Again I say the bone of contention on this issue is simply a matter of geography. Everyone has access to the commercial districts public squares restaurants shops ,etc. However the difference of opinion is directed at the individual districts 1-11 + and the cart paths used as access.

We each make our economic choices. Some are pleased some have buyers remorse but others shouldn't have to suffer because of others poor or not well reasoned decisions. Its called life

The Best explaination
James Radatz says on Thevillages-news.com

August 16, 2016 at 10:56
The path is north of the historic side, between ALDI and Walmart. The path is used daily by about 200 carts, mostly of which are TV residents going to Walmart, $Tree and other businesses including restaurants, auto parts store, Humana, doctors offices etc, located on the west side of 441. All accessed by using this path as only one piece of their daily route. Spruce Creek and Stonecrest residents get to Aldi, Lowes, Doctor offices etc, located South of this path. Hopefully, the signs were posted as a C.Y.A. for Duke.

"other businesses including restaurants, auto parts store, Humana, doctors offices etc, located on the west side of 441."

How do you get west of 441?

Walmart, $Tree and other businesses including restaurants, auto parts store, Humana, doctors offices etc, located on the west side of 441.

These places are all on the NorthEAST side of 441/27 -
(There are restaurants and doctor offices on both sides of the road but only the ones on he east side are cart accessible.)

The poster made a minor direction error.

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Thanks. It's news to me, I did not realize there were more stores past the dollar store! I thought that other path went to that other development stonesomething

There is a cart path between Walmart and the Dollar Store that goes to a Stonecrest residents cart gate.

There is a road mainly owned by the Stonecrest developer between the Dollar Store and the Murphy (Walmart) gas station the goes parallel to 441 for about a half mile that has many businesses on it. At one intersection with a stop light on 441 residents of Spruce Creek South have obtained State, Marion County and Stonecrest permission to cross 441 in carts and use the road to get to Walmart etc.

Can villagers access that area and cross 441?

Yes, If you want to enter Spruce Creek, for golf.

So hypothetically you say you are entering for golf, then you can access the other stores, auto parts etc and cross 441?

What is across 441?

Sorry for all the questions. ;) thank you

You can leave SCS, but would need to cross back at Mc Donalds, 441
Street legal, no problem.
There is no Auto Parts store on the west side.

With a non street legal cart is it possible for a villager to access the autoparts or cross 441?

Until Duke fences the Walmart path again, Yes.
The auto parts store is on the east side, no need to cross 441.

Spruce Creek South has a vehicle gate that accesses the stores on the west side of 441 by McDonalds, CVS, Sam St John, Office Depot, 441 Urgent Care, doctor offices, etc. There are designated parking spaces in that shopping area for carts but I haven't ever seen a cart in one.

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Plenty of interest in the cart path to/from 441 Walmart etc.

150 replies and 9,992 views in 5 days!

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Lots of readers, not many reply's.

150 replies = a very active thread. :posting:
Number of page views may be the same people checking for new responses.

The bottom line is, it has been business as usual on the paths. Might be time to close the thread.

I propose the rules of the Walmart path.....

Welcome to Fight Club - YouTube

I don't think it's them not wanting us to go over there, I think its them not wanting non-villagers coming over here...that's the reason for the wall IMHO.

wal-mart trail confusion
 

I would not worry about the trail closing for the following reasons.
1) recent paved trail would indicate further long term use expected
2) I observed no trespassing sign on the left of the entrance into Wally- world ( heading North) the signs were positioned to avoid I believe anyone entering onto Duke property OFF the trail..then a couple of days later I observed that those signs were removed and a new sign metal pole on left heading south , a more permanent sign fixture stating No trespassing that looks to avoid anyone from entering the trail not just the Duke property , so I understand the confusion. as the new sign appears more prohibited. now the scoop. is as follows .. Wal-Mart owns the retention pond and the property , and the trail.. spoken to me by management whom I know..
furthermore
a person has died from entering the Duke property and was electro0cuted to death and this may be a contributor .. also note I have been on this property many many times at night and know that there is a camper that has been there for at least 6 months not continuous but the better part of six months .. amazing what you see when you walk I observed light from cell phone thru tent and investigated and there was a campers couple and that was six months ago and they have remained
so if you think that Duke was serious ..wouldn't they remove the camper tent know as tent city by Wal-Mart that is actually on Duke property,cute comments though trail will remain I am very sure

Someone died by electrocution on Duke property and we didn't hear about it?

yes they blew out the power to Wal-Mart at 2;33 am when it happened

I would love to see a link to that story. How did that stay under the radar?