Gate cards
 

I can tell you one thing; they need to change the way the gate arms are actuated. Having to lower and raise the window is ludicrous. All that does is wear out the window regulators and to replace is expensive, no matter what brand of vehicle you drive. Then again nothing like getting all wet in the rain. If the reason is to slow down traffic for safety, then put up a system like is already in place for exiting.

Give this man a cheroot - he hit it right on the nose.

One of the reasons for upgrading would be lack of support for older software. Try getting support on windows 2000 and see where it gets you.

Agreed.

I agree about the sticker on the side window. A friend in a club that I belong to here in TV has had to get her drivers side window repaired twice. The first place she lived used a card for access and it burned out from opening and closing the window. Then she moved to The Villages and it happened again. Her work has her going from home to home in the villages so she is constantly opening and closing her drivers window to enter a village. She was told by 2 different mechanics that it just burns out from opening and closing the window multiple times each day. This is expensive to repair. The little red button still won't solve her problem as she would still have to open her window.

I don’t sell cloned gate cards. Having used a cloned gate card and then firmly believing it’s a better system than using the old card, I gave cards out for free to friends and fellow Villages so that they could also enjoy using them. Those that have never used one should be careful to challenge those that have done so. Before giving the cards out for free, I specifically asked District staff if it was against the law to do so. It’s not against the law to clone these cards!

I read the NSCUDD agenda and sometimes the District 10 agenda. But, I hardly ever read the agenda for the other 16 CDDs and don’t believe how it was worded in the agenda that I would perceive this change was going to prevent the better cloned cards to not work.

Now, I have to go from a better gate card system to one that in my opinion is poor after having used both. I have asked District staff to let both sellers and Villagers know that the cloned cards will stop working sometime in the future.

Actually, he missed it by a mile. If you knew the OP you would be retracting that post and apologizing:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

I agree!

Gatekeepers Cards
 

In this day and age, it would make much more sense, since we are NOT a gated community and ANYONE with a finger that can push a button can get in....why not eliminate the costly plastic waste and clones and just give the residents a window sticker. It's 2022 and TV is acting like it's the turn of the century. That's how you can cut costs and knock off all the unnecessary rhetoric about creating new ones! If it's good enough for the military bases to have stickers on the cars, it's good enough here.

I managed prox card access systems and they use old technology. It's a very simple system. The reader sends out a signal continuously, your card (or cloned card) gets powered up by that signal and transmits a very long number to reply. The reader checks that number to see if it is in the list of known good numbers, and open the gate if it is.
A cloned card reply is the exact same number as the original card it copied. If it was your card, the clone transmits your card number. It is not possible for the reader to tell the difference. If TV is not replacing cards, then every clone will continue to work.
Cloned cards (for a resident) has zero impact on the system. If they need the gate arm to open, it is still just one transaction to the system.
Cloned cards to non-residents is also not any additional impact to the system. One transaction - either the clone, or the button. Pay attention to what is being sold to us. Ask yourself why would those we trust be saying misleading things?

There are encrypted cards available. Much harder to clone. Also cost a lot more. I bought cards for about $0.10 in bulk, same ones as TV uses. Encrypted cards were about $5 last time I looked, and the readers were more expensive too. It would be over a million dollars more to change to encrypted cards. And the red buttons are still there because they are county owned roads.

Every swipe is logged - date, time, card number. Nothing prevents saving that data forever. Disk drives are cheap.

Wondering what the replacement controllers will cost us. Plus the labor to install. Annual costs too. The ongoing labor to maintain all those new cards and delete old cards from service. The ongoing cost for the computers and making backups. The ongoing cost for dedicated ethernet lines to every gate.
It will add up. My guess is $350k now, and over $1million yearly. I'm thinking this is money that isn't needing to be spent.

Make the entry gates work like the exit gates. That solution saves money now and in the future. Still slows traffic. Still looks like we are a gated place (for whatever that does).

Did you know that doing that doesn't always work? Neither of our cards will cause the gat to open when held up to the window, regardless of how close we get to the card reader...

I did... It doesn't...

Nope... Speed bumps require that that you only slow down a bit, not stop...

I'm one of those that KNOW why that NO BUTTON gate is needed. Others come on here not knowing such a thing exist, but willing to comment on something they have no clue at...

I guess I don’t understand why so many people don’t have the ability to open their window.

The same reason people drive BMW & Mercedes .... because they can and they like the conveniences or the luxury. Nothing to do with "ability" but just because it's easy and convenient to avoid it.

I was thinking of getting the clones for my cars, but will research first. It would be better if the RFID could be powered like a garage door opener, so I could push a button in my car/cart/bike (app on a phone??) while approaching the reader. Then I could proceed faster through the restriction.

Short of this, I'll need to accept that these bottlenecks are doing their job to restrict the bad drivers from being their baddest.

I fully understand the need for the gates to slow traffic etc but why are card readers and cards even needed? Just have the gates open and close just as the exit gates do or as they do now when a car approaches. It will serve the exact same purpose and any specific raise/lower time delay can be set in it to slow down traffic when a car approaches.

Because they're broken from having to open and close them so often.

[QUOTE=fcgiii;2146078]Either you Don’t live here or have never traveled outside of your neighborhood
You do realize many many miles of cart lanes use streets, therefore one must press the red button to raise the gate.

I prefer not to use the red button because I don't open my car window to open the gate. I just hold the card close to the closed window and the gate opens.

You won me over. Logical. Has my vote. Makes sense. Get rid of the cards and readers and let the entry gates work same as exit gates. Where there are two entry gates make them have a staggered opening for a “zippered” entry effect.

Someone up-thread referred to that as "tailgating". I don't think so. I see plenty of cars exiting through the gates in a line of cars and the gates do not come down between cars. It's like there is no gate. I'm one of those who "tailgates" behind the car in front of me and does not let the gate come down as I exit. I would much prefer the exit gates be removed completely and let the golf carts wait until it is clear to proceed.

I'm one of those who does have an aversion to opening my window. Why let the hot air into the car? Why let the rain wet the interior of my car door? Nope, not for me. I like that I can open the gate just by holding my card to the window. Works every time without opening the window.

Don’t put the sticker on the window. Put it on a small piece of clear plastic that you can move from auto to golf cart, etc.

Duplicates aren't an issue
 

Everybody knows about the Red button, so if you drive a passenger vehicle you don't need a pass, so having duplicates isn't really an issue. These are also public roads, so they can't keep the public from using them, pass or no pass.

Isn't the whole idea kinda like Sams Club? Where you have to get your cart checked when you leave? It's supposed to make you feel special having to roll down your window and scan your card.

Oh and let a golf car or two get thru too.

Joe

Now eight pages of comments about one person’s side hustle being threatened. He isn’t “giving out” mirror-activated devices. He’s selling them.


I heard a rumor from Bruce that the gate card system in the Villages is going to change. Be forewarned that I have been giving out and using the devices that are placed in car mirrors to activate the gates for over a year.

I do hope you realize that you just committed libel against the OP. And since he is a public figure of sorts involved in government here in the Villages, he might have a decent case.

How is it libel? Look up the Florida libel laws..

Here's the quote:

"one person’s side hustle being threatened. He isn’t “giving out” mirror-activated devices. He’s selling them."

So to meet the definition of libel it must:

Be untrue----------------------------------------------------------check
Be public-----------------------------------------------------------check
Be intentional-----------------------------------------------------check
Cause damages-------------------------------------------------????????always the big question.

Does being accused of being a liar and having a "side hustle" result in "damages"?
Better left to the legal experts

I guess, just for clarity, what's the untrue part?

I understand the reason for the gates is traffic control. I think it’s mostly to give golf carts an opportunity to cross in some areas. I’m sure there are many other reasons for traffic control. So if that is the MAIN reason, why the cards, why not just have an automobile pull up and after a few seconds, the gate opens. It accomplishes the same thing without all the gate card trouble and expense.

selling them
operating a "hustle"

Oh, I don't consider the h____ word in a negative light. It shows
entrepreneurship.

So did Bernie Madoff :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Not a gated community but rather a community with gates.

OOOOOOOOOOO, but we are:

What is meant by gated community?
Definition of gated community

: a group of homes that are surrounded by a gated wall, fence, or other physical barrier.

what does it matter?!?!?!?

This topic is like dog poop..........it smells.

It's guess, it's opinion. A waiter that hustles and is on top of his game gets a bigger tip.

hustle (verb) · hustles (third person present) · hustled (past tense) · hustled (past participle) · hustling (present participle)
force (someone) to move hurriedly or unceremoniously in a specified direction:
"they hustled him into the back of a horse-drawn wagon"
push roughly; jostle:
"they were hissed and hustled as they went in"
SIMILAR:
jostle
push
push roughly
bump
knock
shove

hurry; bustle:
"he had to retag second base and hustle back to first"
SIMILAR:
manhandle
push
shove
thrust
frogmarch
bulldoze

INFORMAL
NORTH AMERICAN
obtain by forceful action or persuasion:
"the brothers headed to New York to try and hustle a record deal"
(HUSTLE SOMEONE INTO)
coerce or pressure someone into doing or choosing something:
"don't be hustled into anything"
SIMILAR:
coerce
force
compel
pressure
pressurize
badger

sell aggressively:
"he hustled his company's oil around the country"
obtain by illicit action; swindle; cheat:
"Linda hustled money from men she met"
NORTH AMERICAN
INFORMAL
engage in prostitution.

Aha---different definitions. At least no one was referring to the very last one:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: