We agree that hustle can mean many things. Therefore.. opinion.

Why blame landscapers? All anyone has to do is push the button to open gates in our.”make believe” gated community.

Have you ever been behind some of these people, while they are holding there cards up against the car window ? I’m usually never in a hurry but it’s almost comical sometimes seeing them move it around , finally giving up and opening the window,which for some stretching out there arm to open the gate is probably the only exercise they’ll get all day.

Please read my post # 1 and post #86 which I will repeat again for all to read->

I don’t sell cloned gate cards. Having used a cloned gate card and then firmly believing it’s a better system than using the old card, I gave cards out for free to friends and fellow Villages so that they could also enjoy using them. Those that have never used one should be careful to challenge those that have done so. Before giving the cards out for free, I specifically asked District staff if it was against the law to do so. It’s not against the law to clone these cards!

I read the NSCUDD agenda and sometimes the District 10 agenda. But, I hardly ever read the agenda for the other 16 CDDs and don’t believe how it was worded in the agenda that I would perceive this change was going to prevent the better cloned cards to not work.

Now, I have to go from a better gate card system to one that in my opinion is poor after having used both. I have asked District staff to let both sellers and Villagers know that the cloned cards will stop working sometime in the future.

Rick Rademacher

Way too many folks here, have no idea how a real gated community functions.

The Villages is not a gated community.....not even close!

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I read the agenda, attended the meeting, read the documents, and listened to the presentation. The new system uses the existing cards and the existing readers. I heard nothing about clone cards being disabled (this was in my post #73 which I will not repeat). What did you read or hear that implies clone cards will stop working?

I agree!

Because those are gate-restricted communities. The Villages is not.

Our roads are public roads. Anyone has legal access to them (with VERY few exceptions such as that Hickory Hammock area near Spanish Springs). The gates - are property of the Villages. The roads that those gates cross are taxpayer-owned roads.

You don't have the /right/ to duplicate those cards or card codes and bypass the system to give non-residents entry. You don't have to like that rule, but that's the rule. Y'all are such sticklers about the deed restrictions and how no one in your neighborhood should break any rules, and then they'll have nothing to complain about.

Well - this is a rule. If you aren't breaking it, then you have nothing to complain about. You knew about the gate cards when you bought your property. If you didn't like it, you shouldn't have moved here.

He's not selling them. He's giving them away. He's basically helping non-residents circumvent the system that our community fees (amenity fees, assessments, I have no idea which but it's Villager homeowners who pay for it, not non-Villagers via taxes) pay for.

He doesn't have to like it. And he's not "breaking the law." But he is breaking the rules (which is not the same as breaking the law). Seems hypocritical to me, that people who pounce on anyone who violates deed restrictions in a deed restricted community, would have no problem violating the rules in a community governed with rules.

This question, this VERY GOOD question, has been asked several times on this forum. None of the local "experts" has offered an explanation of what's wrong with this idea. Probably because it's a good idea.

Doubtful the motivation is to disable cloned cards. Don't think that is possible without disabling all cards.

I read the intent is to upgrade and prepare the systems for a more state of the art system that no longer requires rolling a window down to activate the gate.

One result of this upgrade would be to use a different; device, barcode, ... to activate the gate. This existing cards would be phased out at some point.

Can you point to the rule that you believe is being broken? I looked in my deed restrictions and my CDD10 rules but saw nothing about the gates. Somewhere I read about a cost for card replacement but I don't remember reading anything about cloning cards. Where can I find this rule?

The OP stated he was cloning existing cards. If that is the case then he is not aiding non-residents in any way since they would not have a card to begin with. Plus, the purpose of the cloned cards is simply to avoid rolling down a window, not to provide any additional access. As pointed out many times, the roads are not restricted in any way and anyone, resident or not, can get through the gates simply by pressing the red button.

The stated intent, as provided in the presentation linked somewhere above, is to overcome a limitation with the current controller and software. The choice was between adding up to three new readers for every gate or replacing the controller board and database.

Perhaps the new controller board will be compatible with a future upgrade to the reader and cards such that the gate could be activated without rolling down a window but that was not the reason cited for this initial work.

I don't know how this is happening at all since these are all public streets. How they get away with even having gates is amazing.

The in gates made to work like the out gates is an excellent idea.
Not many comments because it is a good, low cost solution utilizing the existing capability.

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I sent this to Brittany Wilson _>

Hi Brittany,

I still have these two questions.

To give me a total picture of the costs, what are the total costs? I understand about the cost savings per year.

Do you know if the current cloned gate cards will still work?

Maybe this is much ado about nothing yet could have been avoided if better/more public information had be given out beforehand in my opinion.

I received this reply back from Brittany Wilson ->

ood morning,

The recurring annual cost for gate maintenance is $97,884. The one time cost to upgrade the system software is $270,255. These costs are split proportionately between Village Center, Sumter Landing and Developer owned gates.

The only cards that will work in the new system are those that are active in our current system when they are migrated over.

Thank you,
Brittany

then I sent ->
Hi Brittany,

When will this migration take place? Is it one gate at a time or when all gates has been migrated that the cloned cards will not work?

Rick

received from Brittany -->

Good afternoon,

This project will take approximately 24 weeks, with a six week lead time on equipment. Each gate will be converted one at a time, and we will run the two systems as the work takes place. With that said, both systems will not be operated at the same location at the same time – each gate will be on one system or the other.

my last message and waiting on a reply from staff (Brittany)->

Are you going to let the Villagers that have cloned cards and the people that are selling them know about your stopping their cards from working? And, is there a gate that I can test my cloned card on to make sure it doesn't work?

Now everyone knows as much as I do about this situation. Please note that all of the communication took place in a public domain messaging system maintained by the District.

No need to remember, there's the actual quote from the website. Notice what's missing from this quote: "except for people who want to just clone existing cards so that homeowners and guests and tenants don't have to go through the trouble of doing it the way we, the owners of these gates, want them to."

That's missing from that quote. So - a reasonable, intuitive, somewhat intelligent person would think "Hmm - they didn't say that there were any exceptions to the rule. I want my case to be an exception. I should either a) accept that I'm not an exception or b) contact the CDD and ask if I can be an exception."

Everyone else - will think they're more important than the rules, and do as they please.

your right on point , during my walks I have seen people get to gates not realizing there’s a button and start to make u turns I’ve hollered to just push the button , I have also run into people outside the villages that actually think they can’t enter. I’ve also been surprised more people haven’t complained like the landscape guys people have mentioned that they have to push a button to get access,

streets there taxes help pay for. FYI I like the gates I am a 22 year resident and let me add I’m 83 and never used many of the amenities , golf , pools , rec centers but people who are starting to whine because they shouldn’t have to pay for things they don’t use because there older ,should be allowed to continue to whine , when costs go up whether it is taxes , maintenance , amenities and you can’t afford it , then sell your house for a profit and downsize to somewhere else.

My thinking is that whatever information the clone cards send to the reader today make them appear to be a card active in the current system today. Why would they not look the same to the new software?

But to be sure we'll have to wait until the project starts rolling out.

Yes, “they” help pay for “our” roads, but “we” help pay for “their” roads. Who do you think pays more????

dos it matter , and we don’t have to push a button ON THERE ROADS

Those are the procedures for replacing a lost or stolen card. They say nothing about making copies of the card. I am on record as having two cards. When I sell or rent my property I need to return two cards. If I lose one of them then I'll need to replace it so that I can later return it. That is what the paragraph represents.

Similarly, I have three mailbox keys. When I move I will need to return three mailbox keys. I don't know the cost but I'm sure there is a way to pay to replace lost or stolen key.

But hey, maybe I want four mailbox keys. Why? It doesn't matter, I just want a fourth. I can head up to Ace Hardware and have a copy made, right? Wrong! On the key is clearly printed, "Do Not Duplicate." I assume (haven't looked) that the postal regulations also state, explicitly, that the keys shall not be duplicated.

When there is a rule it is plainly stated. Signs in your yard? No, there is a rule about that. Golf carts exceeding 20mph? No, there is a rule about that. Run a hair salon out of your home? No, there is a rule about that. Copy your garage door code to your car so you don't have to carry the remote? Yep, no rule against that. Copy a RFID card to a sticker that can be placed behind a mirror? Apparently no rule against that either.

Duplication of any type of credentials for an access control system is not favorably looked upon. Of course it is. Making multiple copies of the key to my house would not be favorably looked upon either. But, there is a big difference between, "we would prefer it not happen," and, "see section xx.xxx of the restrictions you agreed to."

But hey, I have no dog in this fight. It's just a pet peeve of mine to have someone say, "It's the law," when there is nothing they can point to that supports their opinion.

That is why I use my card even if the gate has been knocked off. Exercise! Left my village twice today and really worked up a sweat.

You have to read ALL of the information, and not just cherry-pick a few words that justify your opinion. Here's the part you aren't noticing:

Translation: only 4 cards PER HOME - your home comes with 2. If you want more than 2, you have to use a special form and get it notarized, OR show up in person to up to 2 additional cards. If you do anything OTHER than be in possession of 2 cards that come with the home, AND pay for and be AUTHORIZED for up to two more cards, then you are doing something wrong.

Why so much effort to get more cards or clone cards etc. when all one has to do is push the button.

I look forward to finding out what the $270,000 upgrade accomplishes that the existing system can not handle.

Somebody didn't read the thread...

More than a few people (myself included) have stated that your method DOES NOT WORK in their cars...

How friendly...

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What "rule" is being broken?

Again, what "rule"?

And how is he helping "non-residents"? Do you know for a fact that he is giving them out to "non-residents"?

Well, the OP specifically asked if it was against the rules to clone cards and was told that it wasn't... So there's that...

You moved here with a card system in place--you moved here knowing that the developer has a business and a family to support.

If you don't like it, you have the option to move to another community.

Fyi

That may have been me. I was referring to someone tailgating on the way IN, not out. Didn't know about the red button? Didn't have a card? Just to lazy or prissy to roll down their own window? This one I could forgive, had a broken arm?

Why don't we all put the cards away and just hit the button. Unless our individual movements are being traced for some reason, what function do the cards really serve??? If the button/camera is good enough security for the general public, why do residents need extra I'd/card to enter?

One possible situation where these cards come in handy:

Someone commits a crime at the Target plaza right outside the Villages on 441, and they took off in a dark grey Buick 3000. Your next door neighbor notices that YOUR Buick 3000 has been gone for three days, but you haven't been home to move it. You live in DelMar, which is - right near Target Plaza. You call community watch. They check the card history and see that SOMEONE used that card just yesterday, at the Boone gate off 441.

Well now, it's possible you've just helped the police solve TWO crimes - the theft of your car, and the license plate of the car driven by the criminal at Target Plaza - and maybe even possibly you've helped them figure out WHERE your car is now - since they went into the Historic Section - and there's really nothing there except people who live there. It's not a neighborhood that leads to anywhere else.

They have a red button to get in......how much of our money is being spent on this? Anyone has access to getting in with the red button so why are we doing this at all? It's wrong on so many levels

What does it matter? All they have to do is push the red button. This is insane.

Don’t worry. Be happy.

I think you're on the wrong thread.

Be careful or Brittany may block you when her boss finds out here work isn’t getting done because of all the emails with you and others