How do we know OP is a US citizen? Or....

It is for those who beome a statistic on a graph!

And for the 56,991,000 who die every year. What is your point?

Our Government and the experts, Dr. Birx for one, have requested that everyone should wear face covering to protect those around us. Trump still refuses to do that but he just recently tested negative again. I personally think this request should be mandatory for anyone outside of their home in an enclosed space. I also think this request for face covering should have been made weeks ago, IMHO.

One of the things you're not considering is the number of cases that require hospitalization. While it's true that only about 1% of the people that get the virus die, about 12% require a hospital stay. So I guess if you're OK with with a possible extended hospital stay at a time when hospitals are overwhelmed then I guess it's OK for you to get the virus. I'd rather not.

Herd immunity is basically the approach unintentionally taken in Italy and Spain. I don't want the US to have those results.
This is from Healthline:
There are several reasons why herd immunity isn’t the answer to stopping the spread of the new coronavirus:

There isn’t yet a vaccine for SARS-CoV-2. Vaccinations are the safest way to practice herd immunity in a population.
The research for antivirals and other medications to treat COVID-19 is ongoing.
Scientists don’t know if you can contract SARS-CoV-2 and develop COVID-19 more than once.
People who contract SARS-CoV-2 and develop COVID-19 can experience serious side effects. Severe cases can lead to death.
Doctors don’t yet know exactly why some people who contract SARS-CoV-2 develop severe COVID-19, while others do not.
Vulnerable members of society, such as older adults and people with some chronic health conditions, could get very sick if they’re exposed to this virus.
Otherwise healthy and younger people may become very ill with COVID-19.
Hospitals and healthcare systems may be overburdened if many people develop COVID-19 at the same time.

Ok. What's YOUR plan? Need not reply. Implement it in your area of responsibility.
Im really tired of people bashing the efforts of our government at all levels because they feel they could do so much better. I suggest that if you feel you are wiser, smarter and more capable you run for office! Otherwise, you should do what you can to support the efforts of our leaders.

I am assuming you are going to someone who steps up and dies from the virus. Nice, I will stay home and wait for treatments or the vaccine.

Hmmm!
 

1. Well. You have made many points to ponder. If you look at the pink highlighted phrases, you'll see where your entire arguments are going: SPEED. There IS no such thing as speed in the viral world, especially in developing it and suffering through it.

2. Next, our problems with time and shortening it so that we can go back to "normal", as many people think is what will happen, is that we were not ready to test huge numbers of people. Testing is the ONLY way science has of getting lots of information about the virus and therefore how to approach a cure. So, forget developing a cure quickly. The administration was absolutely and indisputably NOT READY for this sickness and, I think we know why.

3. Staying in your living area DOES provide less viruses from happening to you and your family (if you have one living with you). It's not the best answer. But it does prevent NEW infections, except in your own home if one or more of you are a hidden virus receptacle.

4. Letting everyone get the virus so that we all develop anti-bodies that may, in the end, help ward away a second wave, is SO unscientific, SO absurd when you think about the effects on all of us. It is Russian Roulette, and I believe you know why. Example, what if you, your spouse if you have one, your children, if they live with you become infected because you went about your business as "normal"? When you next LOSE one of these members, the trauma will FAR outweigh getting a tough personal reaction if you even get a "minor" form. The mortuary, the coffin or burial urn kept on your mantle may end up being worthy of despair because it happened in YOUR family. Even if you were spared, which is not very likely, what of all our friends, acquaintances, professionals we visit ET CETERA? There are SO many people in our country who are NOT in good health who are more likely to die from their present health-lacking selves: diabetes, cancer, kidney problems, colon polyps, ulcers, heart problems, obesity (which is over 1/2 the people in the USA), alcoholism, drug addiction, eating problems, anemia, sickle cell conditions, the homeless who have little to NO health care, the very poor who equally have little to NO health care, heavy smoking that already affects the lungs permanently, asthma, COPD, those who are on constant anti-bacterial meds. . . .

5. We don't know WHO is silently viral because there have not been a large enough number of the population who have been tested. None of us ever had this virus, ever. Therefore, NO antibodies which would likely protect us.

6. We don't have any cure whatsoever and won't until election time or later, IF THEN.

& So. considering all these things (and I only put in certain arguments), there is nothing wrong or incorrect about we humans going ALL OUT to save our own A***s. Who, dear God, would deliberately send their family members out knowing these possibilities exist, regardless how much time it took?

But, about the argument that we would go back to work, AS LONG AS we didn't show any signs of virus and we could save hospital resources, too. WooHoo! This is a straw man argument.

All of this has been in response to the arguments provided on ToTV by one poster and also, at times, given by other posters. All my arguments are mine, and are not taken from any one person, cable TV channel, or other sources.

Not true. I saw on TV a gentleman who just had his 104th birthday. He survived the 1918 influenza pandemic, WWII and a whole lot of other things. He was wearing a birthday hat too when they presented him with a birthday cake. Made my heart sing.

Are those who have tested positive for the second time, sick? Are they symptomatic requiring a ventilator? Or......have their antibodies fought off the virus?

A lot of posters on this thread speak as if they read the book "1984" and thought it was a successful case study.

It is not known for sure what the death rate is because not everyone is being tested. What about all those people who are asymptomatic? They are not factored in to the percentage of deaths. The death rate is lower if all those untested asymptomatic people are included in the calculations.

The quickest way to be rid of the CV problem would be to make no changes in our everyday habits, let people catch the virus, and then have about 99% of them recover and thereby build herd immunity rather quickly.

Brilliant 1% of the U.S. population dies so we can get her immunity. 330,000,000 people.Lets have 3,300,000 die. Great option.

But, they might not of died this year or next year.

I was reading the stats in Alachua County (Florida) today. So far, 133 diagnosed, 15 hospitalized, 0 deaths. the most interesting is, the most were in the 15-24 and 25-34 year old groups. The least number of cases.. birth-4yrs, and 85+ !!

Maybe in the areas you visit. Try getting out of fancy beach hotel and down the back streets. If our diet was mainly rice, fish, and some kind of little meat _____ (fill in the blank) the average here would weight less also.

Over 1700 people die of heart disease EVERY DAY on average. 150 die of pneumonia DAILY on average. Somehow we don’t seem to bother with those numbers in the media.

As the infectious disease experts at WHO have said... We are at war with this virus. The virus will win… It will just wait you out.

At this point, I think we are on the right path. However, you should read about what Iceland has done. They have very few deaths and I think we could have done that had we been allowed to get the tests from other countries. Iceland is doing frequent testing, putting those sick in quarantine, and tracing where each person caught the virus from. It's been very effective.

My opinion is based on discussions with physicians and nurses working directly with these patients. I've had many friends who are pretty sure they've had the virus, some that were confirmed and have friends who have had family members and friends die from this. The majority of these deaths were people under the age of 50 and no health conditions at all. About 40% of the people hospitalized are under the age of 55.

Unfortunately, it isn't just the elderly and the "immune compromised" who are at risk. Much younger people without any health issues are getting this and dying. Perhaps the elderly and immune compromised were the first to get this, but others are getting it now too. If people don't die, some are left with lung, heart and neurological problems. One friend of mine has a grandchild who was under a year old. She didn't die, but is now left with permanent brain damage.

If our country would have acted much faster and locked things down sooner, that might have really helped. At this point, it will slow things down, but since it seems like we're hearing all over the place that people aren't stopping their gathering in groups, so we aren't truly 'locked down.' The problem with this is that not only will the virus be here longer, it will most likely mutate and keep coming back. Warmer weather doesn't seem to affect it as much, so this will probably turn out to be much more deadly than the flu. When viruses mutate, there is a chance that it could mutate into something even worse.

This virus is very contagious and with the potentially long incubation period and a lot of people with no symptoms who have it, it's easy to spread.

Heart disease and pneumonia have been around for a VERY long time. This virus is just beginning. These numbers might not seem much to you now, but they will continue to grow year after year I fear.

In regards to people under, 60 and especially those under 40, almost no information is being released concerning whether they were smokers, vapors or obese. There have been a few doctors interviewed that have mentioned these things and information through friends and family is indicating that nurses are seeing mitigating factors in people under 40 who are getting very sick (often, those things I just listed). When this crisis is over and more data is released, I think there will be many conversations on the importance of diet, exercise and taking good care of our bodies.

I think you may mean exacerbating factors

But....that's not happening!!!

Do you suppose that the 50,000+ students enrolled at University of Florida in Gainesville (Alachua County) might have some impact on those stats?

How many 0-4 year olds do you think have been tested for CV in Alachua County?

How many people over the age of 85 do you think are in Alachua County? The few that are there probably aren't bar-hopping or partying on the beach, so they likely aren't too exposed to CV unless a caretaker carries it in to them.

Good point, but those numbers aren't scary enough to concern most people, but a few hundred dying from CV is.

So then we will have wrecked our economy, destroyed the future of our children and grandchildren, and still have to deal with deaths from coronavirus??? Then what's the point of destroying our economy? What will it have accomplished other than adding more TRILLIONS to our national debt? I don't want to have to bow to President Xi in a few years.

So, then back to work on Monday....right?

Herd Immunity
 

I looked up ‘herd immunity’ in my new Thesaurus. It said ‘Russian Roulette’.

Lol

This is the most critical point to me against herd immunity arguments.

I agree with you. And let the medical expert decide.

Lovely thinking

Like it or not, herd immunity is happening as we speak. On the attached Florida Dashboard web site shown as EXPERIENCE, you will see several black tabs along the bottom that say Florida Cases, Florida Testing, Cases by County, Case by zip code, etc. Click on Cases by County and then click on a specific county. Once the county loads, hoover your mouse over each age demographic bracket. You will see how many confirmed cases are in that county by age range. Now consider the fact that according to the experts, approximately 80% of people are asymptomatic meaning little to no symptoms are present. Using that information, you can imagine how many Floridians are exposed/infected and don't know they are infected. That my friend is herd immunity in the works. And one last comment to address your point. Even if the Coronavirus mutates, it's basic RNA makeup will remain fairly constant. Therefore, some immunity will be better than no immunity. Obviously a vaccine would be wonderful but with human testing, a vaccine will take to long for a useful solution this year and perhaps next year. At some point, herd immunity will be our only hope. The world cannot quarantine, social distance forever. The only outstanding question is: how long should we social distance to prevent overwhelming our healthcare system?

Experience

Great Quote
 

Great decision!! It’s best not to get sick at all. Nurses & Doctors have never delt with this before. They get training on how to handle chemo patients, neuro, renal failure, diabetes. But there was no training for Covid Virus.
They can hook these patients to a respirator and hope for the best. While the rest of their body shuts down, they do their best to keep the patients alive.

Really??? I guess all the courses in virology and epidemiology that I sat through were hallucinations. I guess all the patients with serious viral infections that I managed was a dream----Eastern Equine Encephalitis, Varicella pneumonitis, Herpetic encephalitis, and even 1 case of Lassa fever.
No one had SPECIFIC experience with COVID-19, but I'm sure all the "untrained" doctors and nurses can muddle through this epidemic. BTW, they are doing a heck of a lot more than "hoping for the best"

I am so glad you responded to this post. I was going to give my opinion but I couldn't until I cleaned up the Rice Chex breakfast that I spit across the table landing on my wife's CME requirements! Seriously people.......doctors and nurses aren't trained to deal with pandemics???
What about SARS, MERS, H1N1, and many other viruses?

Thank you Dr. Golfing Eagles.
 

I THINK the OP was suggesting to just bite the bullet, let the chips fall where they may and save the economy.

I don't think it is that simple.

I think we are going to face the largest economic depression the world has ever seen no matter what we do.

I think the president was thinking along these lines when he suggested earlier that we should "go back to work" in April. I don't know what changed his mind.

Some people think, why just not let people die, the most endangered are close to dying of natural causes anyway.

It could be some kind of awful "natural selection" or it could be an awful experiment gone terribly wrong and it could be someone planned on purpose to destroy just America? I don't think so personally, but there is plenty of fuel for those fires if you read this forum or listen to many opinions.

I think the human race has something that is stronger than allowing people to die from disease if they can do anything to not let that happen.

What do you think?

Only if the revolver had 80 chambers.

I don't want to contribute my life for the herd, or the lives of my family. I think I'll stay in.