[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

BINGO!!!!!

I can't remember exactly (there are old threads out there) but the impact fees would have to go to (like) $20,000 per house to reverse the 25% property tax increase.

Details, Details, Details.

But voters voted with emotions, not logic.

Our Curmudgeon Coalition will be interviewing both candidates between now and the August primary. It’s a coveted endorsement in TV.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

BINGO!!!!!

I can't remember exactly (there are old threads out there) but the impact fees would have to go to (like) $20,000 per house to reverse the 25% property tax increase.

Details, Details, Details.

But voters voted with emotions, not logic.

Those fees are certainly not unheard of in Florida. Orlando is averaging, a little over 26,000 per home, while some rural areas are only 6-8 thousand. Osceola is running anywhere between 11,000 up to 31,000 per home.

There are no huge sacrifices by our developer for impact fees, in fact he cleans up. He recently collected 50 million in payment from our county commissioners for Southern Oaks. Keep in mind, a bond was also charged by the developer for every new home they sold. There is a reason they are rolling in cash.

Orange County to home builders: No more discounts on road impacts fees – Orlando Sentinel

Affordable housing developers in Osceola can pay impact fees later, commission says – Orlando Sentinel

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by Normal

Those fees are certainly not unheard of in Florida. Orlando is averaging, a little over 26,000 per home, while some rural areas are only 6-8 thousand. Osceola is running anywhere between 11,000 up to 31,000 per home.

There are no huge sacrifices by our developer for impact fees, in fact he cleans up. He recently collected 50 million in payment from our county commissioners for Southern Oaks. Keep in mind, a bond was also charged by the developer for every new home they sold. There is a reason they are rolling in cash.

Orange County to home builders: No more discounts on road impacts fees – Orlando Sentinel

Affordable housing developers in Osceola can pay impact fees later, commission says – Orlando Sentinel

Normal.....you know the analytical nerds are gonna fact check you til the street lights come on.

Btw....you got game. The news cycle blessed you to allow the pivot from the fire thread topic to Orens reinstatement thread. Well played sir!

[Normal]

In addition here is the link for the County plans to reimburse the developer for the Southern Oaks portion of the Villages for roads.

https://www.**************.com/2021/...southern-oaks/

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Normal

In addition here is the link for the County plans to reimburse the developer for the Southern Oaks portion of the Villages for roads.

https://www.**************.com/2021/...southern-oaks/

Money talks everybody walks as the old saying goes

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

BINGO!!!!!

I can't remember exactly (there are old threads out there) but the impact fees would have to go to (like) $20,000 per house to reverse the 25% property tax increase.

Details, Details, Details.

But voters voted with emotions, not logic.

The FY19-20 budget lists $60M of payments to the Developer for road construction. If these roads will support 20,000 new homes then the impact fee to recover those costs would be $3,000 per home. This is very close to the $2,430 impact fee proposed in the 2019 study and 2021 ordinance.

On the other hand, the 33% increase has been used for more than the purchase of roads. The first year of the increase brought in an additional $25M. By 2020, the second year, the increase had brought in over $50M. If the increase was only used for the road purchase then it could have been rolled back at that time. It wasn't rolled back, it was simply used for something else.

This is why my expectation is we won't see the millage decrease by 1.3mills in October - once a tax is in place it is hard to remove. it will be decreased some, perhaps by as much as 0.6mills so the incumbents can take credit for a 12% reduction, but not by the full 1.3mills. But we'll see in June/July when the preliminary budget comes out.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by shaw8700@outlook.com

No matter which side of politics you’re on, you have to admit the Governor showed a lot of class by reversing himself.

Don Wiley also showed what he is made of by graciously stepping down. It will be an interesting election in more ways than one.

The Florida constitution allows but does not require the Governor to remove an indicted commissioner. DeSantis acted immediately to remove Miller when he was indicted. The same constitution REQUIRES him to reinstate the commissioner if he is cleared of the charges. DeSantis did not do that required action for over 6 months. He only did so under threat of litigation AFAIK. He could have and should have reinstated Miller as soon as the court voided his conviction.

DeSantis did not reverse himself. He was forced to do it by the Florida Constitution and he held off as long as he could.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by blueash

The Florida constitution allows but does not require the Governor to remove an indicted commissioner. DeSantis acted immediately to remove Miller when he was indicted. The same constitution REQUIRES him to reinstate the commissioner if he is cleared of the charges. DeSantis did not do that required action for over 6 months. He only did so under threat of litigation AFAIK. He could have and should have reinstated Miller as soon as the court voided his conviction.

DeSantis did not reverse himself. He was forced to do it by the Florida Constitution and he held off as long as he could.

Would love to FOIA request the Gov phone/email records from the date Miller was cleared....to the day he reinstated him. Wonder how many exchanges originated from Florida’s Friendliest Hometown!

[blueash]

Originally Posted by BigSteph

I ..

For me the real heartburn is that I thought Wiley actually won re-election. Am I wrong on this?

I know he was Selected to fill the rest of Oren's term, but I thought he won an election on his own to fill the next term. If he were removed during the Appointed term, I can see no foul in reinstating Oren. But, to remove a duly elected official, is beyond the pale for me.

I may have missed whether this concern has been addressed. Miller was elected to a four year term ending at the end of this year. He was removed during that four year period which is still in place and Wiley was appointed then elected to fill his unexpired term. He never ran for his own four year term. Thus he replaced Miller, selected by DeSantis to do so and is now running for the first time for a four year seat.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by blueash

I may have missed whether this concern has been addressed. Miller was elected to a four year term ending at the end of this year. He was removed during that four year period which is still in place and Wiley was appointed then elected to fill his unexpired term. He never ran for his own four year term. Thus he replaced Miller, selected by DeSantis to do so and is now running for the first time for a four year seat.

Perfect chronology

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by blueash

The Florida constitution allows but does not require the Governor to remove an indicted commissioner. DeSantis acted immediately to remove Miller when he was indicted. The same constitution REQUIRES him to reinstate the commissioner if he is cleared of the charges. DeSantis did not do that required action for over 6 months. He only did so under threat of litigation AFAIK. He could have and should have reinstated Miller as soon as the court voided his conviction.

DeSantis did not reverse himself. He was forced to do it by the Florida Constitution and he held off as long as he could.

Thanks for sharing. Bet we do not see that tidbit in the Sun

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

The FY19-20 budget .................................................. .. ..........................................

This all great historical info, but I was told by county employees (back in 2018 or 2019), The Villages' new farm land was already platted and old impact fees were "already attached" no matter what increase was approved.

Any new impact fee schedule would have impacted them "ten years" down the road if they purchased more land.

That's one of many reasons I laughed at the promise to reverse the 25% increase.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by blueash

The Florida constitution allows but does not require the Governor to remove an indicted commissioner. DeSantis acted immediately to remove Miller when he was indicted. The same constitution REQUIRES him to reinstate the commissioner if he is cleared of the charges. DeSantis did not do that required action for over 6 months. He only did so under threat of litigation AFAIK. He could have and should have reinstated Miller as soon as the court voided his conviction.

DeSantis did not reverse himself. He was forced to do it by the Florida Constitution and he held off as long as he could.

Good. Wish he didn't have to do it.

Regardless of the charges, Miller is a LIAR. He was a lifelong member of one party who switched in order to get elected. To me, this means he wanted to force his policies and philosophies down the throats of a community that would never have elected him to do so. And even then he only got elected on the basis of a campaign to "roll back the 25% tax increase and screw 'the developer'", neither of which would ever happen. Just proves how ignorant the electorate can be as soon as a politician dangles $$$$ in front of them.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

This all great historical info, but I was told by county employees (back in 2018 or 2019), The Villages' new farm land was already platted and old impact fees were "already attached" no matter what increase was approved.

Any new impact fee schedule would have impacted them "ten years" down the road if they purchased more land.

That's one of many reasons I laughed at the promise to reverse the 25% increase.

Might be so. But it makes me wonder.... if an increase in the impact fee would have made no difference to the developer then why did he pack the meeting rooms to resist it, have so many articles written against it, and arrange for the State Legislature to block it? He could have simply sat back while the tiny, little commissioners played their games then laughed when it had no effect.

[Laker]

Sorry, but as his record shows, he and his 2 cronies were Democrats who couldn't elected with their left-wing politics, so switched to Republican since they knew most people wouldn't know their history. I don't trust this guy for a minute.