[mickey100]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Now that would be the right thing to do.

Correct the literature.

Agree. Essentially what the developer has done is promise certain amenities, keep mention of those amenities in their advertising literature, then take the amenity away and not change the literature. It's just not ethical. It's obvious that there are not a lot of movie goers on the forum, so many are not concerned. But suppose they took away one of the softball fields, or an archery range, or your favorite golf course? Boy you'd hear about it then. Look what happened at Hacienda. People bought on the golf course, thinking they were near the country club, an the developer just decided to demolish it and build whatever. And how many people bought their homes in an area, to be told that there would be no more expansion? That the Villages would stop at a certain point. Right, yeah. The lesson from all this is that you can't trust the Developer.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Agree. Essentially what the developer has done is promise certain amenities, keep mention of those amenities in their advertising literature, then take the amenity away and not change the literature. It's just not ethical. It's obvious that there are not a lot of movie goers on the forum, so many are not concerned. But suppose they took away one of the softball fields, or an archery range, or your favorite golf course? Boy you'd hear about it then. Look what happened at Hacienda. People bought on the golf course, thinking they were near the country club, an the developer just decided to demolish it and build whatever. And how many people bought their homes in an area, to be told that there would be no more expansion? That the Villages would stop at a certain point. Right, yeah. The lesson from all this is that you can't trust the Developer.

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[Taltarzac725]

They are getting close to 2500 signatures.

Originally Posted by Bea&Mike

Sign here to reopen Barnstorm Theater in Brownwood square. Petition * Reopen Barnstorm Theater to Provide Adequate Public Theater in Brownwood, The Village FL! * Change.org

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

They are getting close to 2500 signatures.

How does it matter?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

How does it matter?

Probably does not as the developers can do whatever they want as far as I can tell. We have one working movie theater and their marketing literature says we have three.

Movie Theaters
You can enjoy all the blockbuster favorites and cinematic classics at the three movie theaters located in each of the town squares in The Villages community!

Our modern, multi-screen movie theaters are the perfect choice for date night, a cool, relaxing afternoon or evening, or good times with the family.

[Taltarzac725]

We, the concerned residents of Wildwood, The Village FL, hereby request the immediate reopening of Barnstorm Theater to ensure that our community has access to sufficient public theater options. With a population of approximately 140,000 people residing here, it is evident that relying on just one theater is simply not enough.

Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, our community was fortunate enough to have three theaters available within each square. However, due to necessary safety measures and restrictions imposed during these challenging times, two theaters were forced to close down temporarily. While we understand the need for caution and compliance with health guidelines, it is crucial that we now take steps towards restoring our vibrant cultural scene.

I do like how they worded the petition. Well done on their part.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Probably does not as the developers can do whatever they want as far as I can tell. We have one working movie theater and their marketing literature says we have three.

As I said before they need to change the literature in line with what we have.

I do believe that if the economics said additional theaters would be profitable they would be here.

Not to mention if the developer thought he was losing sales due to lack of theaters they would be open already.

[Taltarzac725]

Petition * Reopen Barnstorm Theater to Provide Adequate Public Theater in Brownwood, The Village FL! * Change.org

They are closing in on 2500 signers.

I have had a very wide assortment of movie and TV stars on my Facebook page and had e-mailed many of them back in the early 2000s. And our house in Rohnert Park was across from the Red Lion Inn where they had some kind of agreement with Hollywood that they could park their movie trailers on their parking lot while they made movies in Sonoma and other surrounding counties.

Have felt a certain connection to the movies since 1992 or so.

[Goldwingnut]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Agree. Essentially what the developer has done is promise certain amenities, keep mention of those amenities in their advertising literature, then take the amenity away and not change the literature. It's just not ethical. It's obvious that there are not a lot of movie goers on the forum, so many are not concerned. But suppose they took away one of the softball fields, or an archery range, or your favorite golf course? Boy you'd hear about it then. Look what happened at Hacienda. People bought on the golf course, thinking they were near the country club, an the developer just decided to demolish it and build whatever. And how many people bought their homes in an area, to be told that there would be no more expansion? That the Villages would stop at a certain point. Right, yeah. The lesson from all this is that you can't trust the Developer.

Demonstrated lack of understanding.
1) the movie theaters are NOT amenities, they are privately owned businesses, so they have not taken any amenities away by shuttering these businesses.
2) North of SR44 they could not touch a single amenity, the amenities - ball fields, pickle ball courts, rec centers, pools, executive golf courses, etc. are owned by the local government - the VCCDD or the SLCDD. South of SR44 they could possibly eliminate some amenities but the legal and business impact ramifications of such actions would be huge and not worth any possible cost savings.
3) Hacienda Hills CC was a privately owned business on a privately owned golf course (all the championship courses are privately owned property and are NOT amenities), the CC went out of business because they couldn't make a profit selling ice water and air conditioning while people brought in outside food and drinks.
4) The only time that the growth had the potential to stop and was a factual statement was at SR44 when state law was limiting the growth of the community, it was a legal issue. When the law changed, to the benefit of many thousands of workers in Sumter and surrounding counties, the growth was no longer restrained. As far is any other statements of stopping at a certain point, that was not statements made by the developer (some of their contracted sales staff may be guilty of such statements) and their actions early on support the continued growth that included all areas down to SR44 - withing 30 months of establishing CDD5 (3/19/2002), CDD10 was established (9/24/04) making it obvious that they intended to built to their legal limit at SR44.

The developer does a good job of keeping their intentions and plans hidden. To their dismay in recent years there are several such as myself that have found ways to legally uncover information about their plans and intentions and have made this information public. They've quickly learned that it's a new age and they'll have to work harder to keep their long-term plans out of sight. In my 9+ years of digging for information. watching their every move, and carefully collecting all the informaiton I can, I have never seen anything that was either dishonest or deserving of a loss of trust, the same cannot be said of some of the contracted sales staff. I have seen some actions by the developer that I saw as petty, mean, and thoughtless - FBC church of Leesburg on 466a and Grace Tabernacle Church on Morse Blvd - both not having golf cart accessibility - come quickly to mind - but these actions were not dishonest.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Goldwingnut

In my 9+ years of digging for information. watching their every move, and carefully collecting all the informaiton I can, I have never seen anything that was either dishonest or deserving of a loss of trust.

I agree with everything you said in your post except for one thing. What happened at Hacienda Hills is without a doubt deserving of a loss of trust for the unfortunate folks who bought homes near the old clubhouse, pool, pro shop, restaurant, and tennis courts at Hacienda Hills. I feel very sorry for fellow Villagers who paid a substantial premium to live in an area such as the 9th fairway on the Oaks course. What happened to them is simply not right! Hopefully future potential suckers will take note of what happened before they drop their hard earned money to pay a premium for a homesite on a Championship Golf Course.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Goldwingnut

Demonstrated lack of understanding.
1) the movie theaters are NOT amenities, they are privately owned businesses, so they have not taken any amenities away by shuttering these businesses.
2) North of SR44 they could not touch a single amenity, the amenities - ball fields, pickle ball courts, rec centers, pools, executive golf courses, etc. are owned by the local government - the VCCDD or the SLCDD. South of SR44 they could possibly eliminate some amenities but the legal and business impact ramifications of such actions would be huge and not worth any possible cost savings.
3) Hacienda Hills CC was a privately owned business on a privately owned golf course (all the championship courses are privately owned property and are NOT amenities), the CC went out of business because they couldn't make a profit selling ice water and air conditioning while people brought in outside food and drinks.
4) The only time that the growth had the potential to stop and was a factual statement was at SR44 when state law was limiting the growth of the community, it was a legal issue. When the law changed, to the benefit of many thousands of workers in Sumter and surrounding counties, the growth was no longer restrained. As far is any other statements of stopping at a certain point, that was not statements made by the developer (some of their contracted sales staff may be guilty of such statements) and their actions early on support the continued growth that included all areas down to SR44 - withing 30 months of establishing CDD5 (3/19/2002), CDD10 was established (9/24/04) making it obvious that they intended to built to their legal limit at SR44.

The developer does a good job of keeping their intentions and plans hidden. To their dismay in recent years there are several such as myself that have found ways to legally uncover information about their plans and intentions and have made this information public. They've quickly learned that it's a new age and they'll have to work harder to keep their long-term plans out of sight. In my 9+ years of digging for information. watching their every move, and carefully collecting all the informaiton I can, I have never seen anything that was either dishonest or deserving of a loss of trust, the same cannot be said of some of the contracted sales staff. I have seen some actions by the developer that I saw as petty, mean, and thoughtless - FBC church of Leesburg on 466a and Grace Tabernacle Church on Morse Blvd - both not having golf cart accessibility - come quickly to mind - but these actions were not dishonest.

Where did you get that the movie theaters are privately owned? I still see no evidence of that.

This is the owner of record for the Old Mill Playhouse--

Owner Information
THE VILLAGES OPERATING COMPANY
3619 KIESSEL ROAD
THE VILLAGES, FL 32163
FEI/EIN Number: 20-4647826
Document Number: P06000035355

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Where did you get that the movie theaters are privately owned? I still see no evidence of that.

This is the owner of record for the Old Mill Playhouse--

Quote:
Owner Information
THE VILLAGES OPERATING COMPANY
3619 KIESSEL ROAD
THE VILLAGES, FL 32163
FEI/EIN Number: 20-4647826
Document Number: P06000035355

I think Don means that the developer is a private company and not a governmental entity.

[retiredguy123]

This is an excerpt from "thevillages.com" website:

Movie Theaters
You can enjoy all the blockbuster favorites and cinematic classics at the three movie theaters located in each of the town squares in The Villages community! Our modern, multi-screen movie theaters are the perfect choice for date night, a cool, relaxing afternoon or evening, or good times with the family. So grab your popcorn, candy and a drink and catch the latest flicks to hit the big screen—day or night!

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Quote:
Owner Information
THE VILLAGES OPERATING COMPANY
3619 KIESSEL ROAD
THE VILLAGES, FL 32163
FEI/EIN Number: 20-4647826
Document Number: P06000035355

I think Don means that the developer is a private company and not a governmental entity.

In many ways the Villages developers act like a governmental entity.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

In many ways the Villages developers act like a governmental entity.

Some local governmental entities are almost indistinguishable from the Villages developers. (Not a criticism, just an observation)