[Sandtrap328]

Same road - same rules?

When the large group of bicyclers go blowing through the stop signs, is that the same rules as cars or carts?

Most of the time, it does not bother me at all when a single cycler does that but really gets me when the group of 15 or so cyclers all do it together.

[tuccillo]

Cyclists are allowed to use the roads just like cars. If this is an inconvenience to you that is just something you are going to have to live with. The roads are a shared resource. That is the way things work in society. It is arrogant of you to think that the roads do not have to be shared.

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

This is the arrogance. Why do bicyclists want to hold up of a string of cars/trucks behind them, by going 15-20 on the bike when everyone else can be going 30-35????

How about some consideration for the majority of vehicle drivers who want to keep traffic flowing at 30-35 mph??

[tuccillo]

It bothers me when I see cars blow through stop signs. It bothers me when I am passed illegally on two-lane roads. It bothers me when people change lanes without using their turn signals. I could go on but I think you see the point.

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

Same road - same rules?

When the large group of bicyclers go blowing through the stop signs, is that the same rules as cars or carts?

Most of the time, it does not bother me at all when a single cycler does that but really gets me when the group of 15 or so cyclers all do it together.

[tuccillo]

Why you would continue to hold onto a belief that cars have more of a right to the roads than cyclists is beyond me. Cyclists have just as much of a right to use the roads as cars.

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

This is the arrogance. Why do bicyclists want to hold up of a string of cars/trucks behind them, by going 15-20 on the bike when everyone else can be going 30-35????

How about some consideration for the majority of vehicle drivers who want to keep traffic flowing at 30-35 mph??

[Villager Audio Video]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Cyclists are allowed to use the roads just like cars. If this is an inconvenience to you that is just something you are going to have to live with. The roads are a shared resource. That is the way things work in society. It is arrogant of you to think that the roads do not have to be shared.

And there you have it, asked and answered

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Why you would continue to hold onto a belief that cars have more of a right to the roads than cyclists is beyond me. Cyclists have just as much of a right to use the roads as cars.

Yes, but please do use it (as I am sure you do) with consideration for others.

Similar to a few groups of walkers on the multi-modal trails who walk side by side and literally take the entire width of the trail - and do not want to make way for either bikes or carts.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Using the whole lane is not only the law but it is also a safety issue. Please see my previous posts about why cyclists should use the entire lane on some occasions. Issues such as insurance and licensing really have nothing to do with the rules of the road; those are administrative issues. Nearly everyone runs stop signs and there are a lot more cars running stop signs then bicycles. As I stated earlier, bicycles are essentially slow moving cars and need to be treated as such.You should pass cyclists when it is safe and lawful to do so, just as you would a slower moving car. This is really a pretty simple concept.

If you are unhappy with the law then you are free to try to change it. Regarding pennbfs' post, I didn't miss the point; he was trolling.

Let's just agree to disagree.

[tuccillo]

Disagree on what? The facts? There is nothing to debate here - I am only passing on the law.

Originally Posted by outlaw

Let's just agree to disagree.

[Paper1]

Originally Posted by outlaw

I also ride. I don't know where you get this idea that you are legally entitled to the whole lane. Florida law is clear about this. You are required to ride as far to the right of the road as safely as possible. That does not entitle you to the whole lane.

I don't want to disagree with you in this forum but think you'll be surprised if you check with sheriff's dept.

[Paper1]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Disagree on what? The facts? There is nothing to debate here - I am only passing on the law.

Thank you for supporting the group of us who ride bikes in Villages by stating actual laws and facts but you are pounding your head into a cement wall. There is a certain level of uniformed opinions on this website at times that don't believe water is wet and won't be convinced outerwise.

[Justus]

Originally Posted by outlaw

I also ride. I don't know where you get this idea that you are legally entitled to the whole lane. Florida law is clear about this. You are required to ride as far to the right of the road as safely as possible. That does not entitle you to the whole lane.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

So many cyclists share the misconception that they own the road and are entitled to tie up traffic at any speed they choose. Florida law IS explicit about this! Regardless of how many times the link to the Florida State Code is offered on this forum, there are still those who insist on interpreting it as it suits them. Thank God there are still some rational, informed cyclists out there!

The only way this issue will be resolved is if cyclists are required to be educated, tested and licensed if they choose to use public roads. That is the case in California; if they violate traffic laws there, they are ticketed, fined or hauled off in handcuffs, just like any other irresponsible driver.

[Happydaz]

Originally Posted by Justus

:The only way this issue will be resolved is if cyclists are required to be educated, tested and licensed if they choose to use public roads. That is the case in California; if they violate traffic laws there, they are ticketed, fined or hauled off in handcuffs, just like any other irresponsible driver.

Your point on California was very interesting so I looked it up.
Http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/about/bicycle

Sharing the road (FFDL37)
How far to the right?
Ride in the right lane but not so far that you may hit the curb. You could lose your balance and fall into traffic. Do not ride too far to the right. When a traffic lane is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side.

When to take the traffic lane
" narrow road ride closer to the center of the lane. This will prevent motorists from passing you when there is not enough room."

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by Justus

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Florida law IS explicit about this!

Look up the law and post it so the bikers can read it.

[dirtbanker]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Feel free to write your representatives about changing the law. Until then, the law is what it is.

Biking clothes are functional. Padded shorts for comfort in the saddle and brightly colored jerseys for improved visibility. No different than any other sport.

3' is 3'. Violate the law at your own peril.

Yes the law is what it is, till it is changed...I will pass my suggestion for testing, plates, and ticketing to those that will listen. Some of those might be interested in the revenue possibilities.

Sure, regular shorts and a regular shirt would not bring enough attention your way....Sport?

There is no way to accurately determine the 3' distance, if you feel safe with that; it seems to me that your the one that needs to consider "your own peril". I will also suggest requiring bicyclist to have insurance coverage for damage to cars in the event they "fall into" a car that is passing...just in case 3' turns out not to be enough room.

[tomwed]

FDOT considers a lane that is less than 14 feet wide to be too narrow for most motor vehicles to safely pass a bicycle within the lane.

How wide is BV?