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Dotneko 12-09-2022 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2164878)
"Brake pedal"??? On a bike?

I believe they are sarcastically referring to braking while in a car or cart. If its too hard for the cyclists, its equally as hard for drivers....

tophcfa 12-09-2022 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2164894)
What does that superpower, common sense, dictate what is safest? Move as a group in one smooth transaction while autoists use the other lane to pass.

Or it might be safest to not ride in large groups, so there is no need to ignore the law so as not to disrupt traffic flow?

wisbad1 12-09-2022 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 2164798)
It is just as well that those of us who drive cars and golf carts always come to a complete stop at Stop signs, or we wouldn't be in a position to be so critical of those who do not.

Failing to come to a complete stop is dangerous and against the law, whatever vehicle you are in charge of.

Should see carts and bikes flying out of the path from Eisenhower rec ,

JerryLBell 12-09-2022 06:18 PM

Studies have shown that, despite common sense, having bicycles treat stop signs as yield signs actually decreases the chances of bicycles being involved in accidents at intersections. That is why nine states have created laws to allow this. However, I do not believe Florida to be among them.

Bicycling friends of mine do feel that it is safer to bike in a group (a group is more visible than a single biker). To keep the group together sometimes means rolling through stop signs or going across traffic circles in a line. I don't know if I entirely agree with them on that.

Some also believe it is safer to ride on the roads than it is on "multi-modal" or "safety" paths. They claim that cart drivers on the multi-modal paths in The Villages are more prone to hit bikes than do cars. I don't know about that. I guess I'd rather be hit by a 1,000-pound golf cart doing 20 mph than a 3,000-4,000 pound car doing 35 mph (or faster outside of The Bubble).

I don't think bicyclers are inherently entitle snobs any more than I think all car and golf cart drivers in The Villages are distracted, drunk or too old to safely have licenses. I bicycle some, drive my cart around and definitely use my car and try to be careful when doing any of those and to see the point of view of all of those groups.

Happydaz 12-09-2022 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 2164868)
They are proud to be Darwin Award candidates.

Unfortunately in the Villages, it is the golf cart drivers who are getting the Darwin awards. They hit signs, the entrance to tunnels, or run into cars. I think we need to be more concerned about golf cart safety in The Villages than worrying about bicycles not stopping at stop signs. Many golf cart riders have been killed in the Villages in the last ten years. Why is no one concerned about this? I have seen golf cart drivers driving very fast. Many carts have been altered to exceed 20 mph. Many golf cart drivers are very reckless. Something needs to be done about the number of deaths in golf carts.

JGibson 12-09-2022 06:52 PM

Back North I know someone who got a $50 ticket for not having a bell. lol.

JMintzer 12-09-2022 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dotneko (Post 2164893)
I believe they are sarcastically referring to braking while in a car or cart. If its too hard for the cyclists, its equally as hard for drivers....

Well, they were responding to a post about a former LEO citing "bicycle riders" for not stopping at stop signs, so...

OrangeBlossomBaby 12-09-2022 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2164760)
What is the law regarding cyclists and stop signs ? Today at Watertower circle two very large groups entered the circle from Lester Drive which has a stop sign at full speed - no stop. I mean no stop. Both lead bikers did not hesitate and went into the circle full bore and the groups followed. It was like they were entering a roundabout except there is a stop sign. There was a car coming around the circle and both car and cyclists met at the intersection. It appeared the leader made the decision not to stop by staying to the extreme right. The road in the circle is about two lanes wide but not marked (striped) as such.

The only way they were going "at full speed" would be if they were riding e-bikes. That's the top of a fairly steep, very long hill.

The law is that they should each have stopped first.

The thing about stopping first in a large group though - is they were going uphill on a very long, fairly steep road. They would have had to EACH stop at the end of an incline. For the less athletic of the bunch - near the back of the line of bikes, that would sometimes mean WALKING their bike up the rest of the hill to the traffic circle. That means everyone in front of them would be sitting ON the traffic circle waiting for the rest of them to catch up.

This also would have resulted in any cars or golf carts behind them, being held up while they waited for everyone ahead of them to walk their bikes up the rest of the hill, and then regroup and start riding again in the traffic circle. There is no cart lane or sidewalk or MMP at that intersection for the bikes to travel on.

That is - dangerous. Yes, it's the law. But in this situation it's also dangerous.

So while you're correct that it's the law, it's also a really REALLY bad idea for a large group of bicycles to stop on Lester, St. Andrews Kiley, Magnolia, or Boone. One or two or even three together is one thing - there's little holdup, little risk. But two "large groups" - is dangerous.

Happydaz 12-09-2022 07:48 PM

Often people worry about "perceived threats" more than real threats. They worry about bicylists going through a stop sign and post on a forum and then they jump into a golf cart. Some have no seat belts and all have no helmets and yet head injuries and deaths occur every year. So which is the real threat?

Analysis of death and disability due to golf cart crashes in The Villages, Florida: 2011-2019 - PubMed

OrangeBlossomBaby 12-09-2022 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 2164922)
Often people worry about "perceived threats" more than real threats. They worry about bicylists going through a stop sign and post on a forum and then they jump into a golf cart. Some have no seat belts and all have no helmets and yet head injuries and deaths occur every year. So which is the real threat?

Analysis of death and disability due to golf cart crashes in The Villages, Florida: 2011-2019 - PubMed

I think these drivers of motor vehicles are just upset because they know their reflexes aren't what they used to be, and they're not good enough drivers anymore to stop in time. Or they refuse to get new eyeglasses because the ones they paid "good money" for 5 years ago are just fine. Or their attention span is more limited than it used to be, because they're busy on a very important phone call and shouldn't have to watch the road.

VApeople 12-09-2022 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 2164908)
Many golf cart riders have been killed in the Villages in the last ten years. Why is no one concerned about this?

I am not concerned because we don't own a golf cart.

Jensor17 12-10-2022 06:32 AM

I agree with VillageTinker. I come from Maryland, and bicycle riders there had to obey same laws as cars and large vehicles. Bikers should have slowed, stopped, looked, Then proceed with caution. I observed this rampant disregard traffic law by local bikers in The Villages.
IT WILL ONLY TAKE ONE HORRIBLE DEATH IN A COLLISION BEFORE THE BIKERS LEARN A LESSON:
(1) A MOTOR VEHICLE CANNOT STOP AS FAST AS A BIKE, AND
(2) HUMANS RARELY SURVIVE COLLISIONS WITH 4000 LBS. OF METAL

me4vt 12-10-2022 06:39 AM

Did anyone say they were looking for Friends? That’s another subject🥴

Oneiric 12-10-2022 06:58 AM

Are there any bicyclists in this thread? I don't ride a bike but guess that the leader would say that stopping and starting a large group would be like an accordion in the midst of traffic. Although not following the laws, impractical and dangerous.

chrisinva 12-10-2022 07:02 AM

For those who didn't or couldn't read the PubMed report here's the conclusion " During the observation period, a total of 875 GC-related crashes occurred, representing an average of 136 crashes, 65 hospitalizations, and 9 dead or disabled annually. Of all crashes, 48% resulted in hospitalization, severe trauma, or death. Of these, ejection occurred in 27%, hospitalization in 55%, and death or disability in 15% of crashes. Virtually all death and disability occurred within the setting of GC used on streets or road pathways. Death and disability, particularly due to ejection during GC crashes, occur at an alarming rate when GCs are used for local transportation. We believe public awareness and the use of 3-point seatbelts in these vehicles would significantly reduce death and disability caused by these crashes."

Makes a lot of sense to me.


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