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OrangeBlossomBaby 12-10-2022 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2164996)
Poor choice of words on my part. What I meant was the lead cyclist did not even hesitate at the stop sign. I would not know what full speed is. Is that not a function of each rider's ability ? It is fascinating to me the rush to defend the people that broke the law but no mention of the car driver being violated in the name of their safety. That corner is nearly a blind corner and those cyclists could have easily startled the car driver and result in who knows what ?
It's not a blind corner, or close to it. The water tower circle is a two-lane circle, a pretty big one that goes all the way around the entire country club building, pool, golf cart garage for cart rentals, and starter shack. If you're stopped at the line on Lester, you have a view to your left of all traffic coming from Boone (which around 1/3 around the other side of the circle). If you inch forward you can see almost to Boone itself, and all incoming traffic from the parking lot at Hilltop.

If someone coming from Boone actually stopped at THEIR corner first - then the bicycles on Lester would have started back up from their stop, and already be on the circle by the time that car gets around to Lester.

If someone had come in from Magnolia, they'd be on the inside lane, and wouldn't be interfering with incoming traffic on Lester at all.

srswans 12-10-2022 10:57 AM
This
 
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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2164894)
Many things are illegal, many laws place people in danger. Such is the stop at traffic circle for cyclists.

It only takes a moment of thinking to see how twenty cyclists stopping individually then slowly gaining speed individually with entitled autoists trying desperately to get around them while some kind hearted souls are determined to yield their right of way to cyclists. What would you end up with? A smooth traffic flow?

NO

Well in some circles they would even call it a cluster f#@$ of confusion.

What does that superpower, common sense, dictate what is safest? Move as a group in one smooth transaction while autoists use the other lane to pass.
Exactly. It’s a matter of practical efficiency.

rustyp 12-10-2022 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2165084)
It's not a blind corner, or close to it. The water tower circle is a two-lane circle, a pretty big one that goes all the way around the entire country club building, pool, golf cart garage for cart rentals, and starter shack. If you're stopped at the line on Lester, you have a view to your left of all traffic coming from Boone (which around 1/3 around the other side of the circle). If you inch forward you can see almost to Boone itself, and all incoming traffic from the parking lot at Hilltop.

If someone coming from Boone actually stopped at THEIR corner first - then the bicycles on Lester would have started back up from their stop, and already be on the circle by the time that car gets around to Lester.

If someone had come in from Magnolia, they'd be on the inside lane, and wouldn't be interfering with incoming traffic on Lester at all.
And that is the key if you stop. At the intersection of Lester and Watertower Circle coming from Lester there is a row of bushes on the left hand side on the far side of the Hilltop golf parking lot. One needs to get close to the stop sign to see around them. Now back to the issue - are the cyclists required by law to stop. Some are saying yes and some are saying one stops and ten can go through.

Tyson 12-10-2022 11:07 AM
Head right at them with horn blowing FULL BLAST and watch them poop tier pants. It works, they ALL STOP.

ThirdOfFive 12-10-2022 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by nhtexasrn (Post 2165040)
A group of cyclists uses hand signals to alert others what they are about to do. There is a signal for slow, stop, right turn, left turn, pothole, etc. I've ridden in organized rides where there are hundreds of cyclists and it works if everyone knows what they are doing. The problem is there those who don't and that can cause a problem.
Yeah, I've seen those hand signals.

What does the one mean where a rider raises one hand high over his head with a certain finger extended?

OrangeBlossomBaby 12-10-2022 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyson (Post 2165096)
Head right at them with horn blowing FULL BLAST and watch them poop tier pants. It works, they ALL STOP.
Yup - they stop, right in front of you. And you are stuck there until they get around to moving again.

That'll learn'em!

Also - if you're heading "right at them" then you're going the wrong way around a 1-way traffic circle, into the wrong lane. Way to go, Skippy!

OrangeBlossomBaby 12-10-2022 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2165113)
Yeah, I've seen those hand signals.

What does the one mean where a rider raises one hand high over his head with a certain finger extended?
It means "get the #()$* out of my way."

Fastskiguy 12-10-2022 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Oneiric (Post 2164981)
Are there any bicyclists in this thread? I don't ride a bike but guess that the leader would say that stopping and starting a large group would be like an accordion in the midst of traffic. Although not following the laws, impractical and dangerous.
Yes definitely, a very slow moving wobbly accordion.

But ebikes make it a hell of a lot easier to get going again so there is that.

Joe

pdearmond 12-10-2022 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2164771)
Based on my observations (not the law), it appears the stop signs are required for cars, suggestions for golf carts, and invisible to bikers?
That about sums it up!

manaboutown 12-10-2022 07:29 PM
Maybe that is why there are so many DOA bicyclists all over the country.

Happydaz 12-10-2022 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2165185)
Maybe that is why there are so many DOA bicyclists all over the country.
That is also why there are also so many DOA auto deaths per year as well as DOA golf cart deaths. Another startling statistic is the number of pedestrians that die each year by being hit by motor vehicles. Then again the largest cause of death each year in the US is heart disease. Heart disease is often due to lifestyle choices such as over eating and lack of exercise. Heart disease kills more people than anything else, but no one here talks about this because they like to overeat, drink, and not exercise. If people were really concerned about people being DOA they would pay attention to the most frequent causes of death, but no, they complain about all the little stuff, not the elephant in the room. I guess that’s human nature

Happydaz 12-10-2022 09:20 PM
I just became aware of an accident that occurred where a bicyclist who blew through a stop sign hit an SUV and totaled the SUV. The driver and passenger in the SUV were both seriously injured and taken to a local trauma center. The bicyclist was a 23 year old visiting his grand parents in The Villages. He was unscathed by the collision and his bike had a few scratches and a flat tire. The police are investigating.

fdpaq0580 12-10-2022 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by srswans (Post 2165086)
Exactly. It’s a matter of practical efficiency.
Lame excuse.
So, biker group blows a stop sign and an accident happens. Police show up and shoot everyone involved. The rookie asks why and is told, "it's a matter of practice efficiency". Saves time and money for everyone.

Sabella 12-11-2022 03:33 AM
The bicycle riding groups create traffic and safety issues especially when large groups are riding on Morse and Buena Vista.

cyrillulu 12-11-2022 07:51 AM
Cyclists/Golf Cart Drivers
 
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Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 2164908)
Unfortunately in the Villages, it is the golf cart drivers who are getting the Darwin awards. They hit signs, the entrance to tunnels, or run into cars. I think we need to be more concerned about golf cart safety in The Villages than worrying about bicycles not stopping at stop signs. Many golf cart riders have been killed in the Villages in the last ten years. Why is no one concerned about this? I have seen golf cart drivers driving very fast. Many carts have been altered to exceed 20 mph. Many golf cart drivers are very reckless. Something needs to be done about the number of deaths in golf carts.
I agree wholeheartedly. I hate it when people call cyclists entitled, I believe it’s the golf cart drivers that feel they are entitled. I am a cyclist myself and ride around 100 miles a week on the villages module paths.
I would estimate that out all the many golf carts I meet on my sessions that:
A) 20% come to a complete stop
B) 50% do a rolling stop
C) 30% ignore them completely, drive straight through without looking or slowing.
Also many of these carts are going at speeds way, way above the 20mph , they don’t give a crap about anyone but themselves.


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