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Matzy 10-04-2014 08:26 PM
Thinking about the reason why did a motorcyclist carry a concealed weapon during a ride in one of the safest places in USA. (???)

dbussone 10-04-2014 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Matzy (Post 948418)
Thinking about the reason why did a motorcyclist carry a concealed weapon during a ride in one of the safest places in USA. (???)
If you have a CCP you carry as a routine.

blueash 10-04-2014 08:47 PM
On that other site a Ms Green has been posting, and her posts are still disappearing. Her claim, and she writes as if she is very close to the situation, tell a very different story. Her story is that the car driver was angry at the motorcycles. That the shooter was not in front of the car but behind it. That the car driver in anger was backing up as if to run over the cyclist. That the cyclist was off his bike and walking backwards to escape the rear moving car when he tripped and as the car was continuing to move rearward toward him he then used his gun to shoot the rear tires and rear quarter panel to get the car to stop going toward him and leave the scene. She also says there is a witness who stopped at the scene and has or will be giving a statement to the police supporting that version.

While this is a different explanation from that which we have been presented, it leaves unanswered the important question... If the shooter used his weapon to protect his own life from imminent danger, why did he not call 911 and why did he leave the scene?

gerryann 10-04-2014 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Matzy (Post 948418)
Thinking about the reason why did a motorcyclist carry a concealed weapon during a ride in one of the safest places in USA. (???)
Scary, isn't it? All the drinking here and carrying weapons??? Is it one of the safest places in the US?

tomwed 10-04-2014 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 948428)

Is it one of the safest places in the US?
Name a safer place with a great climate, free golf and 1,000 actvities or clubs that are free or nearly free.

Barefoot 10-04-2014 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 948428)
Scary, isn't it? All the drinking here and carrying weapons???
Very scary. Especially combined with road rage.

patfla06 10-04-2014 09:54 PM
Were there any witnesses?

graciegirl 10-04-2014 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 948426)
On that other site a Ms Green has been posting, and her posts are still disappearing. Her claim, and she writes as if she is very close to the situation, tell a very different story. Her story is that the car driver was angry at the motorcycles. That the shooter was not in front of the car but behind it. That the car driver in anger was backing up as if to run over the cyclist. That the cyclist was off his bike and walking backwards to escape the rear moving car when he tripped and as the car was continuing to move rearward toward him he then used his gun to shoot the rear tires and rear quarter panel to get the car to stop going toward him and leave the scene. She also says there is a witness who stopped at the scene and has or will be giving a statement to the police supporting that version.

While this is a different explanation from that which we have been presented, it leaves unanswered the important question... If the shooter used his weapon to protect his own life from imminent danger, why did he not call 911 and why did he leave the scene?

A gun shot at a tire would not stop a rolling automobile in time.

The exact same news story was printed in The Daily Commercial.

I cannot think of any reasonable scenario for someone to shoot at a car.



Villager arrested in road rage shooting - Daily Commercial: News

SusanOfWoodbury 10-04-2014 11:34 PM
The correcThank God for witnesses

Bonanza 10-05-2014 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Skybo (Post 948243)
After Ms Klem was arrested for the square incident, she WAS allowed to bond out of jail (as was he). It wasn't until she turned herself back in for Violation of Probation that she was denied bond for that offense (the probation violation). The reason they are both still in jail now is because they took plea deals and agreed to the six month sentences rather than go before a jury where they may have gotten longer sentences. The other two utility box yahoos were denied bond based on their unique history.

None of these cases have anything to do with the road rage incident and it doesn't make any sense to try to compare them. The primary purpose of bond is to ensure that the accused shows back up for trial. The amount of bond is based on various factors unique to that particular case.
Thank you for the correction. I forgot most of the details you brought up.

I do understand what bond is and what it's designed to do.

Bogie Shooter 10-05-2014 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 948428)
Scary, isn't it? All the drinking here and carrying weapons??? Is it one of the safest places in the US?
Do you really think this is the only place this is happening?

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 10-05-2014 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Stdole (Post 947972)
Lots of truthful comments in this thread..

Happy Employee.. you got it right except add an (s) to your answer for shot fired.

I fully support the second Amendment and also Right to Carry.. but we just hate this type of person.... his life was not in danger but he in fact put the driver of the vehicle in fear of their life or lives. The Motorcycle to the rear was also a large factor in this case and could also be charged and most likely will.

Come on Concealed Carry, people clean up your act or we the law abiding carry believers will eventually lose our rights should these type of actions continue.. You know dam well you should not have even think about shooting in this situation... you in fact put your own self in a life situation.

You know dam well your life was not at stake here but the vehicle driver had the right to take yours...you pulled a gun and left him/her no way to escape or drive away..
Come on Concealed Carry, people clean up your act ????? You blame this on all of the good, law abiding people that exercise their God given right to carry a weapon? First of all, we don't even know if this guy had a permit. The gun could have been illegal. Secondly, how often have you heard of this kind of incident or any kind of illegal gun incident occurring involving people with CCPs?

We really have no idea what went on here. There are conflicting reports and I, personally, will wait for all of the information to come out before I post an opinion. But, I will not blame this one the legions of law abiding people, the vast majority of which have no desire to ever shoot anyone, that choose to carry a firearm.

And I will not make posts inferring that this sort of event is commonplace.

Cisco Kid 10-05-2014 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 948428)
Scary, isn't it? All the drinking here and carrying weapons??? Is it one of the safest places in the US?
I bet all the golf carts will have to have bulletproof glass installed and the residents will need to wear bulletproof vest. The bubble is now a magnet. Soon ISIS & Ebola will headline at the squares. Has anyone added bars to theirs windows yet ?

:a20:

cattywampus 10-05-2014 08:50 AM
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Aggravated Assault , involving Discharge of a Firearm.

PLUS.......Florida Mandatory Minimum Sentencing
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EQUALS === Twenty Years in State Prison


Anybody know what he has been charged with .????

LndLocked 10-05-2014 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 948426)
On that other site a Ms Green has been posting, and her posts are still disappearing. Her claim, and she writes as if she is very close to the situation, tell a very different story. Her story is that the car driver was angry at the motorcycles. That the shooter was not in front of the car but behind it. That the car driver in anger was backing up as if to run over the cyclist. That the cyclist was off his bike and walking backwards to escape the rear moving car when he tripped and as the car was continuing to move rearward toward him he then used his gun to shoot the rear tires and rear quarter panel to get the car to stop going toward him and leave the scene. She also says there is a witness who stopped at the scene and has or will be giving a statement to the police supporting that version.

While this is a different explanation from that which we have been presented, it leaves unanswered the important question... If the shooter used his weapon to protect his own life from imminent danger, why did he not call 911 and why did he leave the scene?
In Ms Green's version, Bibas was at the rear of the car (and perhaps prone due to "tripping") and shot the tires / car. In the drivers account, Bibas was in front of the car when he shot.

It would seem that simple, basic forensic evidence could quickly determine which version is truthful.


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