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Old 01-02-2023, 06:14 AM
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Sounds like you didn’t yield the right of way. Go look at the laws for traveling through a roundabout. A car going half way or 3/4 should be in the center lane of the roundabout. In order to exit, they must cross the outside lane. Cars entering the roundabout are supposed to yield right of way to the cars in the roundabout, meaning you must stop and proceed with caution. If you don’t you are at fault , not the person in the roundabout
A car going 1/2 way may enter in the right lane of traffic (from the 6:00 position). It must yield to any car in either lane of the RAB. It should assume any car in the RAB, including a car in the inner lane, will be cutting across the outer lane to take the 3:00 exit.
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Old 01-02-2023, 06:17 AM
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A car going 1/2 way may enter in the right lane of traffic (from the 6:00 position). It must yield to any car in either lane of the RAB. It should assume any car in the RAB, including a car in the inner lane, will be cutting across the outer lane to take the 3:00 exit.
This. ^

Though my pic is a little slanted at 7:00 and 4:00.

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Old 01-02-2023, 06:32 AM
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I thought I had seen it all!!!!! Yesterday on Morse a car was backing up in the roundabout. Apparently missed his or her turn. Be careful out there.
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Old 01-02-2023, 06:47 AM
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This should resolve most of the disagreements.

Choose your lane:
Approaching a two lane roundabout, make a lane choice
according to the following rules:
• If you intend to exit the roundabout more than halfway
around, use the LEFT-HAND lane.
• If you intend to exit the roundabout less than halfway
around, use the RIGHT-HAND lane.
• If you intend to continue straight through, use either
lane unless signs or markings indicate otherwise.
Navigating Roundabouts
• Move up to the entrance line and wait for a gap in
traffic. DO NOT ENTER next to a vehicle in the roundabout, as that vehicle may be exiting at the next exit.
• Within the roundabout, do not stop except to avoid a
collision; you have the right-of-way over entering
traffic. Keep moving in a counterclockwise direction.
• Do not change lanes in a roundabout.
• A striped channelization island is present in several
roundabouts, which reduces the circulatory roadway to
one lane approaching a single-lane exit.
Well, that was 85 posts ago, so apparently not
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Old 01-02-2023, 07:11 AM
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The OP incident reminds me of what almost happened to me in a roundabout while driving home on Morse on 1/31.

In the pic below, I am the blue car in the left lane on Morse entering the roundabout. The black car that I drew is the person who entered the roundabout. I am totally legal to stay in that lane and make the exit to continue on Morse, as this original pic indicates a correct move by the blue car.

That black car entering needs to yield to me if going into the roundabout, but does not need to yield to me if turning right into Morse and staying on the right. He came pretty close to me as he was entering the roundabout and not turning right. That driver almost hit me.

So to prepare for that not happening in the future I will use my right turn signal when exiting so the other driver sees and doesn't just jump in there too quick. In these situations the other driver is entering to move into a gap when the right roundabout lane is open, but they still need to watch for the driver in the inside roundabout lane.

I realize there's not much signal courtesy out there, but to avoid someone hitting me like in this situation I'm going to save myself the hassle of getting hit and use the signal. A signal is not needed when continuing inside the roundabout.

Foresake the turn signal all you want when no one is around, but I'm not trusting these drivers to anticipate my moves on the road when they are around me. When someone has the right of way in these situations not all other drivers may know that.

For those who say why not have stop signs instead, roundabouts are considered safer than traditional intersections because they have fewer points of conflict.

How to use a Roundabout

Why does he need to yield. There is nothing in the lane he is turning onto. There is no one to yield to.
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Old 01-02-2023, 07:21 AM
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Actually, there was no accident and I didn't hit anyone. Just wanted opinions which were all over the place. RAB's can be crazy with a lot of variables and I can understand why they scare a lot of folks.
They are sure a lot better than stop lights at every intersection.
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Old 01-02-2023, 07:31 AM
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I was going straight through a roundabout and a car exiting from the left hand lane turned right in front of me to exit. I had no option but to hit that car. WTF, since when do you turn right from the left hand lane in front of another car?
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Actually, there was no accident and I didn't hit anyone. Just wanted opinions which were all over the place. RAB's can be crazy with a lot of variables and I can understand why they scare a lot of folks.
They are sure a lot better than stop lights at every intersection.
So which post was a lie?
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Actually, there was no accident and I didn't hit anyone. Just wanted opinions which were all over the place. RAB's can be crazy with a lot of variables and I can understand why they scare a lot of folks.
They are sure a lot better than stop lights at every intersection.
Glad to hear there wasn't an accident. And consider this: If the opinions as to how to navigate a RB are all over the place on TOTV, just imagine what these drivers are doing in an actual RB. In addition, it's not like the correct procedure is kept a secret, there are signs, handouts, classes, and the Florida driver's handbook. Yet everyday somebody does something totally stupid in a RB. Even more amazing, the person who is wrong is usually the one that makes an indignant post blaming someone else. Good luck out there and Happy New Year.
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Old 01-02-2023, 07:44 AM
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Once again, the best way to make sure EVERYONE agrees on how to handle a circle/round about is to make them ALL one lane. Sure it slows everyone down, but it also makes everyone safer. Every rule, other than those pertaining to circles state that you don't make a right turn from a left lane, in front of a vehicle traveling straight or a left turn from the right lane in front of a vehicle traveling traveling straight. This totally makes the rules of the road contradictory, unsafe and difficult for out of towners that may have never traveled through intersections with RABs. Logic (and normal rules of the road) would dictate that the person on the outside lane in a circle would ALWAYS have the right of way and that anyone in the left lane, wishing to make a right turn would have to move over to the right lane well before making the turn. One sole lane in a circle would make the traffic slow down AND make it safer. Other than those taking a short cut through the Villages to avoid the lights on the highways, no one needs to be in a hurry in the Villages.
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Once again, the best way to make sure EVERYONE agrees on how to handle a circle/round about is to make them ALL one lane. Sure it slows everyone down, but it also makes everyone safer. Every rule, other than those pertaining to circles state that you don't make a right turn from a left lane, in front of a vehicle traveling straight or a left turn from the right lane in front of a vehicle traveling traveling straight. This totally makes the rules of the road contradictory, unsafe and difficult for out of towners that may have never traveled through intersections with RABs. Logic (and normal rules of the road) would dictate that the person on the outside lane in a circle would ALWAYS have the right of way and that anyone in the left lane, wishing to make a right turn would have to move over to the right lane well before making the turn. One sole lane in a circle would make the traffic slow down AND make it safer. Other than those taking a short cut through the Villages to avoid the lights on the highways, no one needs to be in a hurry in the Villages.
There is some merit to that idea, but also some problems:

Besides the major road construction and the costs involved, at some point prior to the RB, 2 lanes would have to merge into one. We all know what happens at such merges with traffic getting backed up for ? how far. Also, there is no guarantee that those drivers that are too stupid to correctly navigate the existing RBs are smart enough to handle a merge. If one is going north on BV from 44 to 466 (about 5-6 miles), one would have to put up with this series of merges and single lane RBs 16 times. As far as " no one needs to be in a hurry in the Villages.", let's start with ambulances and fire trucks, then move on to those rushing someone to the hospital in a car and those with a "potty emergency". And then there is just the general premise that most people would rather be playing pickleball, or golf, or watch a show than be stuck in traffic because RBs were redesigned to cater to the lowest common denominator of driving skill.
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Old 01-02-2023, 08:35 AM
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So many subject matter experts who think their opinion is the only right one. This site should allow political discussion and ban traffic circle bickering. Jeez.
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Agreed, dash cams are inexpensive and help prevent conflicting stories.
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Old 01-02-2023, 09:14 AM
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I was going straight through a roundabout and a car exiting from the left hand lane turned right in front of me to exit. I had no option but to hit that car. WTF, since when do you turn right from the left hand lane in front of another car?
All the time in a roundabout. You were wrong.

Forget all the fancy diagrams and complicated rules and just remember this:

Always yield to a car on your left

The car on your left always has the right of way and you always have to yield to it. Simple enough really.
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Old 01-02-2023, 09:16 AM
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Why does he need to yield. There is nothing in the lane he is turning onto. There is no one to yield to.
He needs to yield because he is entering the roundabout in the right lane, and a car already in the RAB in the inner lane will be crossing over the lane with no car in it, in order to take the next exit off the RAB.

study that diagram. It is the crux of this entire thread.
cars in inner lane may (indeed will eventually be forced to) CROSS OVER the outer lane to make their exit.

They are not supposed to change lanes in the RAB and then exit from the outer lane. No. They are to cross over the outer lane to make their exit.
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Old 01-02-2023, 09:19 AM
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Roundabouts should only have one lane, not two. If they built them that way you would not have accidents. In Ohio we have many and they are all one lane. It doesn't make sense to have two lanes.
Multi-lane RAB in Montgomery, OH. Just one of many examples of multi-lane RAB's in Ohio.
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