And we will all merge from 2 lanes to 1 lane in the same polite, orderly, and safe fashion that we always experience when approaching construction, landscaping or utility work, or auto accidents??? And the road narrows to one lane... maybe the concrete trucks will drive slowly side by side to make sure no one cuts in front of all polite, courteous, full time driving residents.

I honestly think that would make the round abouts more confusing and more dangerous. One lane round abouts would be fine if we were coming off of one lane roads, but I can just imagine all of the confusion and accidents caused by people trying to merge as they enter the round about.

The northern end seems a little less crowed, and I think would be sufficient for a trial run.

I've experienced it first hand, and yes, I do think it would be an improvement and worth the relative small cost of paint and signage.

You are so right!

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First hand where? Maybe at a location with low traffic volumes, single lane approach streets, etc.. Specifics matter. You certainly haven't experienced it in TV.

If you're talking about nothing but some signs and paint, that means your plan is to simply merge existing traffic on Morse and BV into a single lane at or before each circle?! With all due respect, that would be a disaster and...thankfully...will never happen.

When these innovators finally move here and get used to them, they will see that driving a roundabout is not too big a deal.

Sheesh.

New people are usually scared of driving a golfcart on Morse Bridge too. One of the things both have in common is that you HAVE to slow down. And pay attention.

The roundabout should be intuitive. A yield sign upon entering a single outside circle is enough.
When an emergency vehicle needs room they can stay in the fast lane, cross the double yellow lines on the inside circle entering and exiting while everyone pulls over to the right.

Try it out down by Brownwood. We're fairly new down here with not as much traffic and see if it helps, hurts or makes no difference.

We've been driving them for years like that, and it's eazy peazy. There's a merge down to one lane, enter the RAB, take exit of your choice. No decisions to make... it's all laid out for you.

Simple solution. Make one of the lanes a toll lane, and nobody would ever use it.

You'd just have to decide what to do with all the time on your hands while you await your turn to go through the roundabout. :)

unless they had a coupon...:1rotfl:

People. The multi lane roundabouts were a requirement for TV to grow. They will not be converted to a single lane. Navigating them is easy. All one has to do is look at the signs that are placed before the RAB. It clearly defines what a vehicle in each lane can do. Once in the RAB, continue to the exit allowed by the lane you were in entering. Right lane for right turn or straight, left lane for straight, left turn (3/4 around), or U turn. Ignore lane markings within the RAB except to stay in your lane. There is no way the lane markings can be accurate since each driver is entering from a different point. Your entry lane determines your path around the RAB.

Everyone drives everything differently. The number of ongoing threads on this subject is due to the fact that everyone on this board always does it the right way and then reports to the message board every time they see someone do it the wrong way! :posting:

There are many threads on roundabouts. If you go back and look at the posters, most are repeat customers. Espousing the same opinions over and over.
Seldom are there new posters offering any different opinions. So, how does all this posting ever accomplish changing anyones behavior?
Even a newcomer to TV/TOTV must find it amusing/confusing in reading the same differing opinions on "how to" the roundabouts.
BTW, why would anyone continue to suggest that the solution is single lane roundabouts? In their wildest dreams can they envision the county spending that kind of money?
Keep posting...............its amusing.

Glad you're enjoying it, Bogie!

Wow Bogie, That's the most I ever saw you write. I agree with you. It seems everyone on these threads know how to navigate roundabouts. Maybe a campaign outside of TOTV is the answer so everyone else knows too.
BTW, my favorite roundabout is Morse and Stillwater where everyone goes 3/4 around on the outside lane so they can catch the bypass before the bridge. If you do it right you most certainly have to cut someone off to get to the bypass. Idiots.

I pretty much gave you specifics in my first post. The paint at Sumter Landing seems to work without disaster? My first hand experience was similar conditions to TV, and, yes, the merging lanes were accomplished with just good old paint.

I have also noticed that nearly everyone uses the outside lane when going 3/4 of the way around the roundabout to go from Stillwater to northbound on Morse. What I find amusing about that is that it seems like the drivers feel they must use the bypass on Morse to save some precious time. The time saved though is certainly less than 10 seconds!

Going through the RAB is normally faster than the bypass at that location...

100k + people = some minor issues
 

I must be "very Lucky (or blessed)". We are here over 5 years and have not encountered any serious issues with navigating the roundabouts. I do drive defensively and pay close attention to my surroundings while driving though when approaching these roundabouts! Whenever you have the number of people in a city that use 2 main roads (Morse and Buena Vista) almost daily their will be an issue from time to time regardless of the design!

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Are you referring to the tiny 1-lane stretch on the north part of the circle? That's only there because there is no through traffic east and west, and Lake Sumter Landing has a single west-bound lane. It's in effect a dedicated left turn lane for the northbound traffic on Morse heading into Lake Sumter.

The only 2 lane through movement (Morse) remains 2 lanes through the roundabout. The short painted segment north of the circle is paralleled by the bypass lane...still 2 northbound lanes for Morse through the roundabout.

If we're talking about the feasibility of single lane roundabouts around the entire circle, this is not an example.

My northern city is preparing to open its first multiple lane roundabout. As a police officer I am not looking forward to all the crash reports that are coming. The intersection will be on a through highway with lots of out of town travelers. Most of these travelers will have no idea what to do.

I recently visited The Bubble and I did not realize I had to yield to BOTH lanes in the circle. It makes sense now because I know the inside lane car might be exiting to my right.

This is the only circumstance I know of when a turning car must yield to a lane beyond its own intended lane. Thus the confusion.

The sign says yield not yield right lane or left lane..........why the confusion?

Because no where else in U.S. traffic law are you required to yield to cars that are not in your intended lane.

Are you sure?

This is a prime example of defensive driving. Yielding to the traffic in the circle will ensure that one of the cars already in the circle will not take a quick wrong turn and run into YOU.

Yes, with regard to normal traffic rules (exceptions for funerals, emergency vehicles, etc).

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Yep.

Do a Google search and you will see examples of yielding to both lanes in multil-lane roundabouts.
Search= "traffic yield sign law to multiple lanes"


Here is one example for Washington state;
At the dashed yield line, look to your left and yield to drivers already in the roundabout. Remember, in a multi-lane roundabout, you must yield to both lanes of traffic

That's why I drive 10 mph through the RABs.

Yes, I meant at multi-lane roundabouts in general, not just at TV's roundabouts.

Me too and my head swiveling on the lookout in every direction possible.

In 10 years I have been hit twice in the roundabouts. While doing my 10 mph and side swiped by someone not yielding and into the inside lane where I happened to be.

In each case the other driver admitted fault.....it was very obvious to anybody viewing the aftermath positions. And in bot instances the classic answer....I did not see you!!!!

There are far too many near misses daily in every circle.

The supposed premise of needing two lanes to keep the volume of traffic moving which would look impressive in a presentation. Is overwhelmed by the facts of age of the drivers and their varying abilities behind the wheel. The overwhelming number of newbies to the area plus those who are only for short lengths of time hence a very high number who are not familiar with the rules of roundabouts. Add to them the Mario Andretti types that blindly forge ahead.

Many solutions have been offered...all good ones. None proven to work in TV.

Defensive driving and always assume the car next to you will move into your lane, or will not yield, or most certainly will not use their turn signal or give you a break. By doing so you will only have accomplished reducing the odds.

Most people here in TV don't even look both ways when making turns much less able to read and navigate the roundabouts

Two lanes entering would have to merge into one, could be a problem.

So with all the concerns about cars navigating roundabouts, how do those of you that ride motorcycles and bicycles navigate roundabouts? Earlier posts mentioned those famous words that all cyclists have heard one time or other, "I didn't see you". The last time I heard that I was picking myself off the pavement and my Harley was totaled. I don't ever want to do that again. No matter if you're right or wrong, car vs cycle (motor or bi) car ALWAYS wins!

ROB's are here. They are here to stay. They are not going to be redesigned. There are rules relative to navigating them. There are signs relative to navigating them. There is striping relative to navigating. There have been articles in the local press relative to navigating them. There are brochures, in color, relative to navigating them. There have been hundreds, maybe thousands, of posts here about (got tired of typing relative) them. The POA. The HOA. etc.

Why do I read the posts you ask. Don't know I answer. I guess I get to know the posters a little better.

This should be the last word........................