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tomwed 02-04-2015 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1006517)
Many solutions have been offered...all good ones. None proven to work in TV.
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I have not been here as long as you.
Have they tried other solutions and they didn't work?
What did they try?
What happened?

Barefoot 02-04-2015 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1006569)
This should be the last word........................
Really, you think Post # 120 is the last word? :evil6: You are optimistic indeed.

capecoralbill 02-04-2015 06:26 PM
Are the gatekeepers volunteers, or paid?

tomwed 02-04-2015 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by capecoralbill (Post 1006627)
Are the gatekeepers volunteers, or paid?
paid

Bonanza 02-05-2015 01:25 AM
Our Gates are No Bargain.
 
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Originally Posted by capecoralbill (Post 1006627)
Are the gatekeepers volunteers, or paid?
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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1006631)
paid
Yes, as Tomwed said, the personnel at the gates are paid. They work 4 days on and four days off. They get no paid vacation time and no benefits.

It costs Villages' residents over a million dollars a year, which also includes maintenance, utilities, etc. Exactly how much over a million, I don't know but I think it''s pretty expensive to give us all a false sense of security when the streets are public and anyone can come and go as they please.

Barefoot 02-05-2015 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 1006815)

It costs Villages' residents over a million dollars a year, which also includes maintenance, utilities, etc. Exactly how much over a million, I don't know but I think it''s pretty expensive to give us all a false sense of security when the streets are public and anyone can come and go as they please.
I know this is wandering off the topic of roundabouts, but it's an interesting point, since The Villages really isn't a gated community at all.
The Gates do give some type of psychological security, but is it really worth the price.
Many of us were unaware when we purchased that the gates are there for traffic control.
The streets are owned by the County; they are public property. As Bonanza said, anyone can enter.

Walter123 02-05-2015 07:50 AM
The subject has changed so I guess Bogie was right. He's always right!

Oh yeah, without the gates, golf carts don't stand a chance, especially during snowbird season.

Laurie2 02-05-2015 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1006857)
Oh yeah, without the gates, golf carts don't stand a chance, especially during snowbird season.
You are right, Walter123. . .

Why did the golf cart cross the road?

To get to the other side.

-- And without the gates, the odds of that happening would be greatly reduced.

Our gates save lives.

Barefoot 02-05-2015 02:28 PM
My husband actually met a woman in a roundabout who was going in the wrong direction.
She shook her fist at him. :shrug: .

red tail 02-05-2015 02:45 PM
I forgot the subject...is it gates or roundabouts

Bogie Shooter 02-05-2015 02:46 PM
dog poop

graciegirl 02-05-2015 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1007137)
dog poop

You lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

Walter123 02-05-2015 03:13 PM
I think happy hour started early for a couple of people today.

Bogie Shooter 02-05-2015 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1007153)
I think happy hour started early for a couple of people today.
133 no 134 roundabout post will drive anyone to an early happy hour!:beer3:

maru8 02-05-2015 04:13 PM
Yes,yes, one lane would solve all the problems!!!! It even worked in New Jersey. I have read Sumters laws on the roundies and it is do what you want and let the lawyers solve the law suits!!!

tomwed 02-05-2015 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by maru8 (Post 1007197)
It even worked in New Jersey.
Where in New Jersey? I lived in Hudson County, Essex County, Gloucester County, Burlington County and Cape May County.

DougB 02-05-2015 10:38 PM
I believe making it mandatory those in the right (outside) lane have to take the first right you come to and those in the left (inside) lane can go straight or take any right you come to would eliminate confusion and accidents.

kcrazorbackfan 02-05-2015 11:05 PM
Wow. There has got to be some very rich auto body repair shops in this area due to all of the accidents that happen in TV. I'm beginning to think I just want to drive a golf cart everywhere I go; no, wait, maybe ride a bicycle; no, wait again, maybe walk; heck, I might decide to just be a hermit and stay in the home once I get there. :grumpy:

Walter123 02-06-2015 05:46 AM
Don't fix it if it ain't broken. It's the people that are broken so no matter what is done, there will still be broken people that don't understand, don't care, shouldn't be driving, etc, etc, etc.

Bogie Shooter 02-06-2015 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1007419)
Wow. There has got to be some very rich auto body repair shops in this area due to all of the accidents that happen in TV. I'm beginning to think I just want to drive a golf cart everywhere I go; no, wait, maybe ride a bicycle; no, wait again, maybe walk; heck, I might decide to just be a hermit and stay in the home once I get there. :grumpy:
What is all? 10 a week, 5 a day?
More than area towns, More than "up north".

Bogie Shooter 02-06-2015 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1007456)
Don't fix it if it ain't broken. It's the people that are broken so no matter what is done, there will still be broken people that don't understand, don't care, shouldn't be driving, etc, etc, etc.
Now, that says it all.....................

outlaw 02-06-2015 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1006517)
Me too and my head swiveling on the lookout in every direction possible.

In 10 years I have been hit twice in the roundabouts. While doing my 10 mph and side swiped by someone not yielding and into the inside lane where I happened to be.

In each case the other driver admitted fault.....it was very obvious to anybody viewing the aftermath positions. And in bot instances the classic answer....I did not see you!!!!

There are far too many near misses daily in every circle.

The supposed premise of needing two lanes to keep the volume of traffic moving which would look impressive in a presentation. Is overwhelmed by the facts of age of the drivers and their varying abilities behind the wheel. The overwhelming number of newbies to the area plus those who are only for short lengths of time hence a very high number who are not familiar with the rules of roundabouts. Add to them the Mario Andretti types that blindly forge ahead.

Many solutions have been offered...all good ones. None proven to work in TV.

Defensive driving and always assume the car next to you will move into your lane, or will not yield, or most certainly will not use their turn signal or give you a break. By doing so you will only have accomplished reducing the odds.
Single lane RABs have been tried and proven not to work in TV?

outlaw 02-06-2015 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1007456)
Don't fix it if it ain't broken. It's the people that are broken so no matter what is done, there will still be broken people that don't understand, don't care, shouldn't be driving, etc, etc, etc.
billythekid had two accidents in RABs in 10 years...it's broke. I haven't had an accident in 50 years. I almost got clobbered in a RAB last week by someone in the inside lane exiting right in front of me. She was making the FIRST right turn....from the inside lane.

Chi-Town 02-06-2015 11:29 AM
I really like the idea of single lane roundabouts here. Sure, there might be a slowdown at times when merging, but the lack of confusion of those entering and exiting a roundabout should keep that to a minimum.

Stitcher girl 02-06-2015 12:04 PM
One lane roundabouts get my vote. Best idea I have heard in this seemingly never ending discussion(been going on for the 7 years I have lived here).

Polar Bear 02-06-2015 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1007658)
...single lane roundabouts here. Sure, there might be a slowdown at times when merging...
That doesn't even begin to describe the chaos that would result. Traffic volume and road capacity matters...greatly.

outlaw 02-06-2015 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Your Favorite Plumber (Post 1006552)
So with all the concerns about cars navigating roundabouts, how do those of you that ride motorcycles and bicycles navigate roundabouts? Earlier posts mentioned those famous words that all cyclists have heard one time or other, "I didn't see you". The last time I heard that I was picking myself off the pavement and my Harley was totaled. I don't ever want to do that again. No matter if you're right or wrong, car vs cycle (motor or bi) car ALWAYS wins!
I speed up so that when I navigate the RABs, my knee just barely touches the roadway in the turn.

outlaw 02-06-2015 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1007684)
That doesn't even begin to describe the chaos that would result. Traffic volume and road capacity matters...greatly.
And why are you so certain that chaos would result? Europe has had RABs since the automobile was invented. Most of them are one or two lanes merged into a single RAB lane. They seem to do just fine.

CFrance 02-06-2015 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1007984)
And why are you so certain that chaos would result? Europe has had RABs since the automobile was invented. Most of them are one or two lanes merged into a single RAB lane. They seem to do just fine.
I think there would be less confusion because there's only one choice. Get in one lane, get into the RAB in that lane, exit the RAB from that lane.

dbussone 02-06-2015 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1007992)
I think there would be less confusion because there's only one choice. Get in one lane, get into the RAB in that lane, exit the RAB from that lane.
Ooo. I'm not sure that would work well, CF.

Barefoot 02-06-2015 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1007456)
It's the people that are broken so no matter what is done, there will still be broken people that don't understand, don't care, shouldn't be driving, etc, etc, etc.

Exactly. :highfive:

Polar Bear 02-06-2015 11:05 PM
Roundabouts
 
A couple more comments, then I'll bow out of this thread...

Examples of working single lane roundabouts are useless unless specifics are compared...traffic volumes, geometrics, nature of approaching roads, design speeds, street network in the vicinity of the roundabout(s), and much more.

In TV, I believe Buena Vista is 4-lane for its entire length. Morse is 4-lane for almost it's entire length, with only a short section in the older areas being 2-lane. Making the roundabouts 1-lane would reduce the capacity of Buena Vista and Morse to that of a 2-lane road throughout TV, even a bit less because of reduced speed in the roundabouts and recurring, frequent merge areas that would be required.

Picture peak season traffic in The Villages. Now picture that peak season with all roads in TV (which pass through a roundabout) being in effect only 2-lanes, only worse because of constant merging. That increased congestion is the 'chaos' I referred to. Sorry if I overdramatized a bit. [emoji4]

Bonanza 02-07-2015 01:44 AM
The fact of the matter is that nothing moves more smoothly than Morse north of 466. Granted, it is only one lane in each direction.
It is noteworthy that each merging village coming on to Morse has a stop sign before you can enter.
Even more noteworthy than that, you hardly hear of an accident because of this arrangement.

slipcovers 02-07-2015 07:42 AM
POLAR BEAR is the only person qualified on this forum, in regards to roundabouts. Just a few weeks ago, a golf cart turned left into oncoming traffic, and was killed.

dbussone 02-07-2015 07:55 AM
Roundabouts
 
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Originally Posted by slipcovers (Post 1008048)
POLAR BEAR is the only person qualified on this forum, in regards to roundabouts. Just a few weeks ago, a golf cart turned left into oncoming traffic, and was killed.
Really? I grew up driving on roundabouts in the Boston area (and other cities) since I was 16. Let's see that gives me 50 years experience on them. And I've not had an accident on one. Unlike some of the fruit loops driving on them here. No offense intended Polar.

memason 02-07-2015 07:59 AM
Ironically, this thread is a little like the round-a-bouts....around and around and going nowhere and nothing changes.

Bottomeline: The RAB's are here to stay and in their current 2 lane configurations. These are the safest types of intersections possible! If you don't believe that, go do a little research into traffic safety.

There would be far more accidents (serious accidents), should the RAB's be converted to 4 way stops or traffic lights.

dbussone 02-07-2015 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by memason (Post 1008051)
Ironically, this thread is a little like the round-a-bouts....around and around and going nowhere and nothing changes.

Bottomeline: The RAB's are here to stay and in their current 2 lane configurations. These are the safest types of intersections possible! If you don't believe that, go do a little research into traffic safety.

There would be far more accidents (serious accidents), should the RAB's be converted to 4 way stops or traffic lights.
And the traffic would likely slow considerably. Good post!

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 02-07-2015 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1008006)
A couple more comments, then I'll bow out of this thread...

Examples of working single lane roundabouts are useless unless specifics are compared...traffic volumes, geometrics, nature of approaching roads, design speeds, street network in the vicinity of the roundabout(s), and much more.

In TV, I believe Buena Vista is 4-lane for its entire length. Morse is 4-lane for almost it's entire length, with only a short section in the older areas being 2-lane. Making the roundabouts 1-lane would reduce the capacity of Buena Vista and Morse to that of a 2-lane road throughout TV, even a bit less because of reduced speed in the roundabouts and recurring, frequent merge areas that would be required.

Picture peak season traffic in The Villages. Now picture that peak season with all roads in TV (which pass through a roundabout) being in effect only 2-lanes, only worse because of constant merging. That increased congestion is the 'chaos' I referred to. Sorry if I overdramatized a bit. [emoji4]
I don't think that you're over dramatizing at all. The idea of one lane round abouts on four lane roads is absurd.

The round abouts work well and are simple to navigate.

If you get the online news that we are not allowed to mention, every so often you'll see reports of car accidents. Very few, none that I can recall, in fact, of these accidents have happened at round abouts. Most seem to be at the intersections of Morse and 466, 466a and Buena Vista and 466 and 466A.

slipcovers 02-07-2015 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1008049)
Really? I grew up driving on roundabouts in the Boston area (and other cities) since I was 16. Let's see that gives me 50 years experience on them. And I've not had an accident on one. Unlike some of the fruit loops driving on them here. No offense intended Polar.
I too am from Boston, and drive rotary everyday. However, Polar Bear has an engineering degree in traffic management, I believe, so I will trust his opinion. POLAR, am I correct?

graciegirl 02-07-2015 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 1008019)
The fact of the matter is that nothing moves more smoothly than Morse north of 466. Granted, it is only one lane in each direction.
It is noteworthy that each merging village coming on to Morse has a stop sign before you can enter.
Even more noteworthy than that, you hardly hear of an accident because of this arrangement.

Someone was killed there just two weeks ago. In a golf cart. They turned left in front of an oncoming car.

I think the fact that few serious accidents occur in roundabouts (In fact I can't remember any serious accidents in roundabouts in eight years) probably because people are very, VERY, wary. AND wary is better than cocky.


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