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Polar Bear 01-22-2016 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1175795)
...A defensive driver is a crash proof driver.

Wow. You keep telling yourself that.

RickeyD 01-22-2016 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1175797)
Wow. You keep telling yourself that.


Again, it takes two to tango and I don't dance.

RickeyD 01-22-2016 11:45 AM

My point is this. Crashes don't happen unless one or more operators do something irresponsible.

Walter123 01-22-2016 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1175789)
No, the operator/owner is responsible for maintenance. I'm not saying 100% of the time, more like 99.8 %.

Are you sure it's not 99.7% or 99.9%? Can you back that up? There are actual accidents but most are human error.

I hope the speed limit isn't changed to compensate for inattentive drivers.

Walter123 01-22-2016 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1175800)
My point is this. Crashes don't happen unless one or more operators do something irresponsible.

Quite the generalization.

RickeyD 01-22-2016 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1175805)
Are you sure it's not 99.7% or 99.9%? Can you back that up? There are actual accidents but most are human error.



I hope the speed limit isn't changed to compensate for inattentive drivers.


I agree. If the stars are in perfect alignment an accident will occur.

Rango 01-22-2016 12:33 PM

People run that light on a consistent basis.

memason 01-22-2016 12:37 PM

If we want these horrific crashes to cease, we need to have a round-a-bout installed there....

Lighted intersections are always more dangerous [and more serious crashes] than round-a-bouts.

mixsonci 01-22-2016 01:10 PM

I don't want another round about PLEASE. My opinion, they need to stop allowing left turns UNLESS there is a green arrow. Left turn yields are very dangerous, vision is blocked from oncoming cars etc. and this IMO is what causes most accidents.

Retiring 01-22-2016 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1175721)
Correct, there is no such thing as an accident. That word implies innocence.

I believe there are real accidents. Even with the best preventative maintenance catastrophic mechanical failures, although rare, do occur. People make cars, so by default – imperfect.

But you are correct accident implies innocence. Many law enforcement jurisdictions have changed their forms, where it once said “accident,” it now reads “crash.” Also, some insurance companies now use crash instead of accident.

We all have momentary lapses in judgment and they increase with age, which is why we must be EXTRA vigilant on the road. It’s tiring to drive with 110% alertness, but we must. 110% today, is our old 70%.

RickeyD 01-22-2016 02:02 PM

Rt 44 & Powell Rd
 
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Originally Posted by Retiring (Post 1175860)
I believe there are real accidents. Even with the best preventative maintenance catastrophic mechanical failures, although rare, do occur. People make cars, so by default – imperfect.



But you are correct accident implies innocence. Many law enforcement jurisdictions have changed their forms, where it once said “accident,” it now reads “crash.” Also, some insurance companies now use crash instead of accident.



We all have momentary lapses in judgment and they increase with age, which is why we must be EXTRA vigilant on the road. It’s tiring to drive with 110% alertness, but we must. 110% today, is our old 70%.


The only real accident I believe would be a medical condition which you have absolutely no knowledge of and strikes with no warning. In that case you truly are not in control. A mechanical failure can happen that is inherent in it's design and those cases have been litigated with the manufacturer proven at fault. I don't accept floor mats that impede control nor blowouts. These things can be prevented. Engines that suddenly stop or brakes failing are rare and if so can typically be traced to poor maintenance. I also don't like the fact that Florida does not require safety inspections. Poor judgement in some way by one or more parties cause crashes. Let's not loose site of texting or talking on the phone while driving. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

John_W 01-22-2016 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1175705)
I have friends who can see the 44A and BV intersection. They said there are a lot of accidents there as well.

Too bad there isn't a local police officer who follows these threads. I'll bet they would know what is dangerous and why it's dangerous all around us.


The police should already know where the trouble spots are since they at the scene of most every accident. Plus, posters can be somewhat misleading. Look at your post, "a lot of accidents at the intersection of Buena Vista and 44A", that intersection is a traffic circle. What do you propose to do with that traffic circle and the 35 others?

Retiring 01-22-2016 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1175870)
The only real accident I believe would be a medical condition which you have absolutely no knowledge of and strikes with no warning. In that case you truly are not in control. A mechanical failure can happen that is inherent in it's design and those cases have been litigated with the manufacturer proven at fault. I don't accept floor mats that impede control nor blowouts. These things can be prevented. Engines that suddenly stop or brakes failing are rare and if so can typically be traced to poor maintenance. I also don't like the fact that Florida does not require safety inspections. Poor judgement in some way by one or more parties cause crashes. Let's not loose site of texting or talking on the phone while driving. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

You’re free to write the State legislature and Governor to have the law changed and impose annual auto inspections. I have no doubt you will be cheered on by all your fellow big government left wing extremists.

I come from a family that’s had gas/service stations for 50 years and performed tens of thousands of inspections in Queens, you cannot predict catastrophic mechanical failure. Believe it or not, and I guess you choose not, failures do occur.

Do you have an explanation for the brake master cylinder that fails on a 6 month old car with 4k miles? Do you have an explanation for an oil pump bracket, of a power steering assembly, that fails in a new car at 1k miles? Do you have an explanation for tire failure due a bad bead chaffer on a tire with less than 50 miles? No, I didn’t think you did. None of these failures could have been predicted and preventative maintenance was clearly not an issue. Sometimes a bracket can fail because the ratio of metals was incorrect at the foundry. Even RickeyD could not see that coming. This may be difficult to believe, but cars are not perfect.

All that being said, I do agree almost all crashes are due to operator error. As for texting, I would like to add 3 more stupids to your 3 for a total of 6 stupids.

TNLAKEPANDA 01-22-2016 05:29 PM

Most all of the accident's involve someone turning left in front of another vehicle. Pay attention people. We have some of the worst drivers here in the Villages. You need to drive very defensive around here. Speed has nothing to do with the accidents. If you make cars go too slow you will likely have even more accidents.

tomwed 01-22-2016 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rango (Post 1175829)
People run that light on a consistent basis.

Run what light? The one on 44?
Run it in what direction?
How do you know People run that light on a consistent basis?


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