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tomwed 01-22-2016 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1175920)
The police should already know where the trouble spots are since they at the scene of most every accident. Plus, posters can be somewhat misleading. Look at your post, "a lot of accidents at the intersection of Buena Vista and 44A", that intersection is a traffic circle. What do you propose to do with that traffic circle and the 35 others?

You're right.

I said 44A when I was thinking 466A. The road numbering down here gives me trouble but I should have looked it up and not have added to the confusion.

kcrazorbackfan 01-22-2016 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1175693)
And that would be fine, just like 466 and 27. But right now, this is a 4 lane divided highway with minimal intersections, minimal commercial development and not much traffic. I think any accidents are on the driver, not the road or speed limit.

Just like guns aren't the problem with killing people, the irresponsible owners are. With the hundreds of accidents I worked, probably 3/4 of them were caused by irresponsible drivers; the balance due to mechanical issues, animals on the road, extreme weather event.....

Happinow 01-22-2016 10:21 PM

We were spared
 
When we first moved here , hubby and I were almost killed. My light turned green and a person ran a clearly red light at about 55 mph. I was driving and if I had gone, like most people do, when my light turned green we would have been hit broadside at that high speed. We probably would have been seriously injured at best. This is a dangerous intersection. Speed should be reduced, given that traffic is increasing in that area.

shanson99 01-22-2016 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mixsonci (Post 1175845)
I don't want another round about PLEASE. My opinion, they need to stop allowing left turns UNLESS there is a green arrow. Left turn yields are very dangerous, vision is blocked from oncoming cars etc. and this IMO is what causes most accidents.

You are so right. Heading west on 44 numerous cars kept turning left in front of me after their green left turn arrow ended. All of 44 should have red arrows after the green arrow ends.

golfing eagles 01-23-2016 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1176085)
When we first moved here , hubby and I were almost killed. My light turned green and a person ran a clearly red light at about 55 mph. I was driving and if I had gone, like most people do, when my light turned green we would have been hit broadside at that high speed. We probably would have been seriously injured at best. This is a dangerous intersection. Speed should be reduced, given that traffic is increasing in that area.

No, drivers should stop for red lights!!!!

Villager Joyce 01-23-2016 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1176085)
When we first moved here , hubby and I were almost killed. My light turned green and a person ran a clearly red light at about 55 mph. I was driving and if I had gone, like most people do, when my light turned green we would have been hit broadside at that high speed. We probably would have been seriously injured at best. This is a dangerous intersection. Speed should be reduced, given that traffic is increasing in that area.

When I learned to drive in the snow on black ice, we were taught to NEVER go until all other cars have stopped. Good rule wherever you live.

graciegirl 01-23-2016 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1176107)
No, drivers should stop for red lights!!!!



I agree Doc. The same scofflaws that run red lights will ignore the slower speed limits.


Just drive very defensively. The place is populated by idiots behind steering wheels. I want everyone reading this to be here and be totally intact at the end of the crowded season April first.

tomwed 01-23-2016 09:04 AM

The road should be slower. When heading up north if I take the inland route the speed changes all the time and the police are more than happy to hand out tickets.

What is the downside? It might take an extra minute or 2 to get on the turnpike?

golfing eagles 01-23-2016 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1176169)
The road should be slower. When heading up north if I take the inland route the speed changes all the time and the police are more than happy to hand out tickets.

What is the downside? It might take an extra minute or 2 to get on the turnpike?

Sorry, can't agree on this one. The natural extrapolation of that philosophy is to set all speed limits at 5 mph., or better yet just walk (across the country to LA) --it's "safer". Getting T-boned by an idiot running a red light isn't going to have a much different result at 45 or 55.
The speed limits are set by the nature of the road (width, divided or not, number of intersections and lights, presence of shoulder, etc.), and amount of traffic. Most interstates slow down to 55 in urban areas.
Route 44 is perfectly fine at 55, it's the idiot drivers that make accidents. But it does not make sense to change speed limits for a few accidents caused by idiots on a road otherwise appropriate for the existing speed limit. As Judge Judy says, "you can't fix stupid"

tomwed 01-23-2016 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1176184)
Sorry, can't agree on this one. The natural extrapolation of that philosophy is to set all speed limits at 5 mph., or better yet just walk (across the country to LA) --it's "safer".

Do you really think that's how the world works?

Lowering the speed limit to 45 is the beginning of a slippery slope that will eventually lead to a 5 mph speed limit all over the country.

When I taught one of my teacher observations said Tom occasionally whistled in class. This should stop because the students will start whistling and when they get in the halls everyone will also start whistling. The whole building will be whistling and we can't have that.
That person uses your kind of logic.

tuccillo 01-23-2016 10:29 AM

Not correct. Kinetic energy goes as the square of the velocity. The difference between 55 mph and 45 mph is 50% more kinetic energy at 55 mph. With collisions, it is all about velocity.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1176184)
Sorry, can't agree on this one. The natural extrapolation of that philosophy is to set all speed limits at 5 mph., or better yet just walk (across the country to LA) --it's "safer". Getting T-boned by an idiot running a red light isn't going to have a much different result at 45 or 55.
The speed limits are set by the nature of the road (width, divided or not, number of intersections and lights, presence of shoulder, etc.), and amount of traffic. Most interstates slow down to 55 in urban areas.
Route 44 is perfectly fine at 55, it's the idiot drivers that make accidents. But it does not make sense to change speed limits for a few accidents caused by idiots on a road otherwise appropriate for the existing speed limit. As Judge Judy says, "you can't fix stupid"


photo1902 01-23-2016 11:03 AM

Exactly
 
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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1176230)
Not correct. Kinetic energy goes as the square of the velocity. The difference between 55 mph and 45 mph is 50% more kinetic energy at 55 mph. With collisions, it is all about velocity.

Not to mention reaction time.

golfing eagles 01-23-2016 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1176230)
Not correct. Kinetic energy goes as the square of the velocity. The difference between 55 mph and 45 mph is 50% more kinetic energy at 55 mph. With collisions, it is all about velocity.

I think I'm pretty well versed in physics and mathematics, but thanks anyway. However, when it comes to personal injury from a MVA, at a certain point the extra kinetic energy doesn't matter. You're just as dead from a suicide vest as you are from a nuclear bomb.

golfing eagles 01-23-2016 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1176225)
Do you really think that's how the world works?

Lowering the speed limit to 45 is the beginning of a slippery slope that will eventually lead to a 5 mph speed limit all over the country.

When I taught one of my teacher observations said Tom occasionally whistled in class. This should stop because the students will start whistling and when they get in the halls everyone will also start whistling. The whole building will be whistling and we can't have that.
That person uses your kind of logic.

One word, my friend-----hyperbole:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

photo1902 01-23-2016 11:24 AM

To some degree, true
 
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1176251)
I think I'm pretty well versed in physics and mathematics, but thanks anyway. However, when it comes to personal injury from a MVA, at a certain point the extra kinetic energy doesn't matter. You're just as dead from a suicide vest as you are from a nuclear bomb.

Speeds above 50 mph, kinetic energy plateaus. 45/55 it's significant.


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