[looneycat]

Originally Posted by Mikeod

I believe that only applies where is only one lane in each direction. On roads like Morse or Buena Vista, they have the right to occupy the whole lane. Other traffic can use the other lane to get around them safely.

nope, you are wrong, bikes must stay as far right as possible, except where conditions dictate otherwise (lane closure or road damage). learn the rules before endangering lives. maybe reading the rules governing bike riding would help dispel these misconceptions, I did, that's why I know you are wrong.

Originally Posted by looneycat

nope, you are wrong, bikes must stay as far right as possible, except where conditions dictate otherwise (lane closure or road damage). learn the rules before endangering lives. maybe reading the rules governing bike riding would help dispel these misconceptions, I did, that's why I know you are wrong.

You probably are right but I'm guessing you're not a cyclist. I ride on the roads after first trying the mmp's .I don't get the workout I'm looking for there.All the stopping & starting just doesn't get it done.Also I found it unsafe with the way some drive their carts.After I tried the mmp's next I went on the shoulder of the roads.Talk about insanity people would be so close to me when passing that I was almost knocked off my bike several times . I'm pretty sure that a 3 foot clearance is the law when passing a bike ! The funny thing is that most of the folks passing me that close had the whole left lane to move over but because the were going to need to be in the right lane in a mile they wouldn' t move over. Then there was the time when I caught up to one of these vehicles at a gate where they had to wait. I asked why they had to pass me so close.The answer I got was the person in the left lane wouldn't let him move over.I asked him if he had brakes and pointed out that slowing down until it was safe to pass me sure would have been nice.
Now I take up the whole right lane.Right or wrong it's the safest way to ride.People get ****ed but I know I'm in control of the way you pass me.Oh I forgot to mention I ride only on 4 lane roads. I also wear bright colors, have flashing lights in front & back & I live in my mirrors. That's my story & I'm sticking to it!

[Sanibel7]

it just amazes me.. Yes you can ride you bikes on the roads in Fla. And yes you can drive your grandchildren around in golf carts without child seats. But why? you have worked your whole life to retire! Why do you want to risk it now just because you can? Please Please Cyclist .. Stop at the stop signs. Grandparents. protect your grandchildren. Driving around 3 thousand pound vehicles in a bike or a golf cart is really not safe. People make mistakes when driving especially when they don't know the rules. Traffic circles etc.. Think twice before you go! Be extra diligent and above all watch out for the other guy.. And be safe!. Please

[alzjr]

Originally Posted by looneycat

nope, you are wrong, bikes must stay as far right as possible, except where conditions dictate otherwise (lane closure or road damage). learn the rules before endangering lives. maybe reading the rules governing bike riding would help dispel these misconceptions, I did, that's why I know you are wrong.

The law does NOT say ride as far right as possible, it says ride as far right as practicable. This means as far right as the cyclist feels safe, as stated by the Orlando Police bicycle patrol.
Buena Vista, Morse south, El Camino Real, and Stillwater have lanes that are 11 feet wide. When a cyclist rides 3 feet from the curb and the bicycle takes up 3 feet and a car (by Florida law) must stay 3 feet away from the side of a bicycle, only leaves 2 feet of lane left. That mean a car must either shrink to 2 feet wide, slow down and follow, or move safely to the other lane.
Another part of that law states bicycles must not ride MORE than 2 abreast. That means it is OK to ride side by side in the State of Florida.

[Jejuca]

Copied right from the state of Florida site - 316.2065 Bicycle regulations:

(5)(a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall ride in the lane marked for bicycle use or, if no lane is marked for bicycle use, as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations:
1. When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction.
2. When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
3. When reasonably necessary to avoid any condition or potential conflict, including, but not limited to, a fixed or moving object, parked or moving vehicle, bicycle, pedestrian, animal, surface hazard, turn lane, or substandard-width lane, which makes it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge or within a bicycle lane. For the purposes of this subsection, a “substandard-width lane” is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and another vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.
(b) Any person operating a bicycle upon a one-way highway with two or more marked traffic lanes may ride as near the left-hand curb or edge of such roadway as practicable.
(6) Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway may not ride more than two abreast except on paths or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles. Persons riding two abreast may not impede traffic when traveling at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing and shall ride within a single lane.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by looneycat

nope, you are wrong, bikes must stay as far right as possible, except where conditions dictate otherwise (lane closure or road damage). learn the rules before endangering lives. maybe reading the rules governing bike riding would help dispel these misconceptions, I did, that's why I know you are wrong.

I don't believe the lanes on Morse and Buena Vista are 14 feet wide which FL deems the minimum width to allow cars to pass bikes safely without entering the other lane. Bikes are allowed space from the gutter for safety and visibility, usually about 3 feet. When you add the 3 foot minimum space you must give a bike when passing to the 2.5 feet standard width of a bike and rider, that puts a normal width car into the next lane. Why not make it a completely safe maneuver and just give the bike the entire lane when passing instead of trying to squeeze by and create a stressful situation?

BTW, thanks for the advice, but I don't ride. I just watch out for others when in a car or cart so I don't endanger lives either way.

[Jejuca]

Sorry - I didn't think I could edit my previous post but I could - so this is the same info as my previous post.
Please be kind - I don't post very often!

(5)(a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall ride in the lane marked for bicycle use or, if no lane is marked for bicycle use, as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations:
1. When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction.
2. When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
3. When reasonably necessary to avoid any condition or potential conflict, including, but not limited to, a fixed or moving object, parked or moving vehicle, bicycle, pedestrian, animal, surface hazard, turn lane, or substandard-width lane, which makes it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge or within a bicycle lane. For the purposes of this subsection, a “substandard-width lane” is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and another vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.
(b) Any person operating a bicycle upon a one-way highway with two or more marked traffic lanes may ride as near the left-hand curb or edge of such roadway as practicable.
(6) Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway may not ride more than two abreast except on paths or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles. Persons riding two abreast may not impede traffic when traveling at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing and shall ride within a single lane.

[PaPaLarry]

Originally Posted by Jejuca

Copied right from the state of Florida site - 316.2065 Bicycle regulations:

(5)(a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall ride in the lane marked for bicycle use or, if no lane is marked for bicycle use, as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations:
1. When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction.
2. When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
3. When reasonably necessary to avoid any condition or potential conflict, including, but not limited to, a fixed or moving object, parked or moving vehicle, bicycle, pedestrian, animal, surface hazard, turn lane, or substandard-width lane, which makes it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge or within a bicycle lane. For the purposes of this subsection, a “substandard-width lane” is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and another vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.
(b) Any person operating a bicycle upon a one-way highway with two or more marked traffic lanes may ride as near the left-hand curb or edge of such roadway as practicable.
(6) Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway may not ride more than two abreast except on paths or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles. Persons riding two abreast may not impede traffic when traveling at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing and shall ride within a single lane.

Good Information!!

[Bonanza]

After reading everything on this thread and the other thread on "Multi-Modal Paths," unless I'm driving in my car, I, too, think I'll walk. Yes,, I'll be walking on someone's grass. Too bad, folks; their ain't no sidewalks and I ain't walking in the street!

[alzjr]

Originally Posted by Jejuca

Sorry - I didn't think I could edit my previous post but I could - so this is the same info as my previous post.
Please be kind - I don't post very often!

(5)(a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall ride in the lane marked for bicycle use or, if no lane is marked for bicycle use, as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations:
1. When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction.
2. When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
3. When reasonably necessary to avoid any condition or potential conflict, including, but not limited to, a fixed or moving object, parked or moving vehicle, bicycle, pedestrian, animal, surface hazard, turn lane, or substandard-width lane, which makes it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge or within a bicycle lane. For the purposes of this subsection, a “substandard-width lane” is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and another vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.
(b) Any person operating a bicycle upon a one-way highway with two or more marked traffic lanes may ride as near the left-hand curb or edge of such roadway as practicable.
(6) Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway may not ride more than two abreast except on paths or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles. Persons riding two abreast may not impede traffic when traveling at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing and shall ride within a single lane.

The only place in all of The Villages that there is a marked bicycle lane is Morse north of Rt 466. All the diamond marked lanes are designated golf cart lanes, not bicycle lanes, and the multimodal paths are for all modes of transportation. That means bicycles MAY use them but are not REQUIRED to use them.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by alzjr

The only place in all of The Villages that there is a marked bicycle lane is Morse north of Rt 466. All the diamond marked lanes are designated golf cart lanes, not bicycle lanes, and the multimodal paths are for all modes of transportation. That means bicycles MAY use them but are not REQUIRED to use them.

I don't think that is correct. The diamond lanes are for bikes and carts. I certainly don't want to push those reclining bikes into the road by restricting the diamond lanes to carts only.

[dewilson58]

No wonder is it is confusing and dangerous.

[tuccillo]

Not quite. On 4 lane roads, bikes can take up an entire lane.

Originally Posted by looneycat

nope, you are wrong, bikes must stay as far right as possible, except where conditions dictate otherwise (lane closure or road damage). learn the rules before endangering lives. maybe reading the rules governing bike riding would help dispel these misconceptions, I did, that's why I know you are wrong.

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Not quite. On 4 lane roads, bikes can take up an entire lane.

Thank you. If

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by Mikeod

I don't think that is correct. The diamond lanes are for bikes and carts. I certainly don't want to push those reclining bikes into the road by restricting the diamond lanes to carts only.

That is correct. And then there are people who walk and run in the diamond lanes, when there is a sidewalk right beside it (Canal Street is a good example). So carts come up behind a walker or walkers going two abreast in the diamond lane, and they will NOT move over when the carts have to almost halt behind them because car traffic on their left does not permit them to veer left to go around the walker/runners.

They defy 1200 lb. vehicles going 20mph as if to say, "C'mon. Hit me. Then you'll see who's right." Insanity!