[rustyp]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

I think its crazy that walkers, who walk at probably 3-5 mph, and electric bikes that can go up to 28 mph would share the same recreational trail. With such a difference in speeds, its really unsafe for the walkers.

I understand your logic and agree. However given that logic why should walkers and regular bikes be mixed on a rec trail ? Both E Bikes and Regular bikes are capable of 28 mph.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

This idea won't work. Throttle ebikes are, with almost no exception, hub drive models. Hub drives have the motor in the hub vice at the crank (mid drive). Hub drives are far cheaper.

What you are effectively proposing is only those who ride $2,500 + bike can use this path.

What? You want to spend only 995.00 on a ebike? Sorry!

Respectfully disagree, that's the cost of safety. Only Class I bikes should be permitted on walking paths.

Everything else is a motor vehicle.

But nothing will change so enjoy the ride!

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

This idea won't work. Throttle ebikes are, with almost no exception, hub drive models. Hub drives have the motor in the hub vice at the crank (mid drive). Hub drives are far cheaper.

What you are effectively proposing is only those who ride $2,500 + bike can use this path.

What? You want to spend only 995.00 on a ebike? Sorry!

I am a newbie on this subject. Does a hub drive power the wheel and a crank drive power the chain ? Why have TV clubs banned throttle models ?

[tophcfa]

The rail trails up north in our area used to have signs that said no motorized vehicles, but took them down when e bikes became commonplace. Once the signs came down it opened up the door for ATV’s, snowmobiling, etc… so they put up signs that said only motorized vehicles with two wheels allowed. When mopeds and dirt bikes began using the trails they changed the signs to say only two wheeled electric vehicles were allowed. Now waiting for electric motorcycles to start using the trails so they will have to change the signs again.

As much as I dislike electric cars given current technology, I think e bikes (pedal assisted, not throttled) are great. They allow senior citizens to keep on biking for exercise when the physical limitations of aging catch up to them. Bike on : )

[JGibson]

Originally Posted by rustyp

I am a newbie on this subject. Does a hub drive power the wheel and a crank drive power the chain ? Why have TV clubs banned throttle models ?

Bike clubs banned throttle because they said they’re too dangerous, these same clubs blow stop signs.

What is really needed is dedicated protected bike lanes on roads around TV? Buena Vista, Morse, Rolling Acres, etc. Folks will find it safer to ride on dedicated, protected bike lanes on roads opposed to the conundrum on MMP.

This is the answer, dedicated/barrier-protected bike lanes.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

No, it is not.

Ebikes are part of the landscape, especially here. Why?, Because we all lose one heartbeat of our maximum heart capacity each year. Ebikes for seniors allow us to get out and experience the joy of cycling.

Effectively, ebikes make your biking performance similar to yourself 20 years ago.

Besides all of that how is a rural town in New York relevant? Last I read New York is not doing so well for itself, while Florida is growing by leaps and bounds.

most of the people I see on these bikes are never using the peddles , you want to keep your heart capacity up ,ride a regular bike , take a brisk walk or run or just get on a treadmill, there are no shortcuts for good aerobic health , 84 tomorrow still doing it the right way or you can call it the hard way , but it’s the only way

[MX rider]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

most of the people I see on these bikes are never using the peddles , you want to keep your heart capacity up ,ride a regular bike , take a brisk walk or run or just get on a treadmill, there are no shortcuts for good aerobic health , 84 tomorrow still doing it the right way or you can call it the hard way , but it’s the only way

My wife and I are in our mid 60's and very fit. I'm a longtime runner and we both mountain bike. She uses our Peloton daily. As part timers in TV we have mtb's there that we ride all over, but you're limited how far you can go. That said I can see us getting e bikes some day just so we can go farther in less time.

E bikes have a place for sure, imo. I'm debating getting a new e mtb. Not because its easier, because you can ride longer and faster. Which for a lifelong adrenaline junkie is a good thing.

But you're right, if they never pedal its just a moped. Although at least they're off the couch and moving.

[Toymeister]

Originally Posted by rustyp

I am a newbie on this subject. Does a hub drive power the wheel and a crank drive power the chain ? Why have TV clubs banned throttle models ?

Hub drives power the hub.

They are more expensive, over twice as efficient as hub drives and use torque sensing to provide assistance in a natural feeling way. Hub drives do not. It's like the difference between a two stroke eny and a four stroke insofar as they are completely different.

The stated reason why TV clubs do not allow throttled ebikes is the insurance company, which provides group ride insurance, doesn't allow it.

[Toymeister]

The OP wanted a discussion if the ebike ban is a sign of the times, I say no. In the time of electric cars, carbon credits, micro mobility and Americans with Disability Act; widespread bike bans (bikes of any sort) will not happen.

Heck, in Portland 20 of the 25 streets closed to through traffic with increased bike friendly pavement which were COVID closed became permanent bike streets.

[charlie1]

I was under the perception that anything motorized (with the exception of the type of scooters used by elderly or the handicapped) were NOT allowed on ANY walking path, only the multimodal paths. Not to start anything, but.... dogs are also not allowed on the nature preserve paths and areas (there are signs) but a lot of people tend to take their dog anyway.

[Mortal1]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Village of Lowville NY population < 4000 has ban E Bikes.

By 7 News Staff
Published: Nov. 17, 2022 at 5:46 AM EST
LOWVILLE, New York (WWNY) - Lowville will ban motorized vehicles like ATVs inside the village.

Trustees approved a new law Wednesday night banning vehicles like snowmobiles, ATVs, 4-wheelers, and e-bikes.

About a dozen people went to the public forum, discussing concerns about Lewis County’s rails-to-trails program, which would repurpose old railroad tracks for recreation.

“The village board felt we needed a law on the books that we could regulate those type of vehicles, especially now with the county buying up the railhead,” Mayor Joseph Beagle said. “We’re in favor of walking trails and regular bicycle trails but we don’t want to see snowmobiles screaming through the middle of the village.”

Before you jump all over me I like E Bikes. Thinking of getting one myself. I am having second thoughts when I see these controversies popping up. I believe The Villages bike clubs have already banned a certain type of E Bikes on their rides.

Is this a sign of things to come ?

"the villages"...

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

Hub drives power the hub.



...


The stated reason why TV clubs do not allow throttled ebikes is the insurance company, which provides group ride insurance, doesn't allow it.

That's a big, fat clue of the risk.

And why it may be advisable to add ebike insurance.

. https://www.markelinsurance.com/reso...electric-bikes

Best e-bike insurance 2022 and everything you need to know | Cycling Weekly

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

Hub drives power the hub.



...


The stated reason why TV clubs do not allow throttled ebikes is the insurance company, which provides group ride insurance, doesn't allow it.

That's a big, fat clue of the risk.

And why it may be advisable to add ebike insurance.

. The importance of e-bike insurance | Markel Specialty

Best e-bike insurance 2022 and everything you need to know | Cycling Weekly

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Altavia

That's a big, fat clue of the risk.

And why it may be advisable to add ebike insurance.

. The importance of e-bike insurance | Markel Specialty

Best e-bike insurance 2022 and everything you need to know | Cycling Weekly

Both articles focus primarily on the cost of the e-bike and whether theft or damage is covered under homeowners policies. Certainly, that risk is a concern but it doesn't speak to whether e-bikes are inherently more dangerous than pedal-bikes.

[Topgun 1776]

Originally Posted by JGibson

Bike clubs banned throttle because they said they’re too dangerous, these same clubs blow stop signs.

What is really needed is dedicated protected bike lanes on roads around TV? Buena Vista, Morse, Rolling Acres, etc. Folks will find it safer to ride on dedicated, protected bike lanes on roads opposed to the conundrum on MMP.

This is the answer, dedicated/barrier-protected bike lanes.

Let's review....Villagers complain about walkers on MMP! (Stay on the sidewalk!). No cyclists on the MMP! (Should be on the road!). No cyclists on the road! (Should be on the MMP!). Cyclists should stop at EVERY stop sign! (Cyclists go to slow and impede car traffic!).

So much complaining to do, so little time!