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Vermilion Villager 08-15-2023 05:31 PM

It's a Crime in Minnesota to misrepresent a Service Animal in public
 
Minnesota recently passed a law making it a misdemeaner to falsly represent your animal as a service animal. Several organizations, including Can-Do-Canines of New Hope helped write the legislation. We need this here in FL.

Sec. 609.833 MN Statutes

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-15-2023 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2245881)
Minnesota recently passed a law making it a misdemeaner to falsly represent your animal as a service animal. Several organizations, including Can-Do-Canines of New Hope helped write the legislation. We need this here in FL.

Sec. 609.833 MN Statutes

That statute doesn't include a little tidbit that makes the entire statute a moot point:

It is against federal law to ask someone for proof that their animal is a service animal. And furthermore, there is no "official" service animal certification, federally authorized training or license. Anyone can train an animal to perform a service for them, and by law, that animal is, by definition, a service animal.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-15-2023 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm Popeye! (Post 2245612)
I can't find it, but maybe YOU can tell us, when was this NEW meaning] of SERVICE Animals was put into practice?

It was put into practice some time before this thread started. That's really all that matters. Anyone could have looked it up between then and now, and would've seen the information right there.

Also I fixed your post - you misspelled animals.

Velvet 08-15-2023 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Aulicino (Post 2245545)
No, I have had dogs my whole life and have never brought them shopping with me. It disgusts me to see a dog sitting in a shopping cart where my merchandise would be. Just ignorant owners.

I agree, Instacart, Amazon, Walmart etc all deliver. And there has to be a way of officially proving that a dog is a service dog - a pass like handicap parking pass etc to be produced on request like a license to bring an animal where otherwise it would not be permitted.
Please don’t say it is my private business what’s wrong with me, the license would not have to say that you have epilepsy or something, or whatever service dogs help with, just that this dog is required to assist you. On the license maybe a photo of the dog. Like a handicap pass it should not be reproducible.

Fenster 08-15-2023 10:49 PM

Definitely NOT
 
Gross.

Laker14 08-16-2023 05:50 AM

Some dogs should be allowed, others not. However, some people will bring their dogs even if they shouldn't be allowed, and in fact, fall outside of the description of dogs that are allowed.
I like dogs. I don't love seeing them in grocery stores. But, I don't let it bother me.
The fact is, that fresh fruit you are looking to buy, that came from South America, or Southern California, has spent some time in a warehouse with all kinds of vermin crawling all over it, so you should wash it carefully when you get home anyway. That dog in Aisle 3 is the least of your worries if your concern is food contamination .

Eg_cruz 08-16-2023 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2244986)
I read that the Publix at Magnolia Plaza has two large signs that says dogs are not allowed in their store.

Do you think dogs should be allowed in a grocery store?

100% no. Went to Publix on 466 and there were 3 dogs in the store, it’s 96 out and all I think about was how selfish the owners were.
Leave dogs at home were they are cool and safe.

miharris 08-16-2023 06:23 AM

REAL service dogs, yes. Pets, absolutely not! In fact, I actually think pets are prohibited by federal law (FDA) law, AND it is against the law misrepresent your pet as a service animal.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-16-2023 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by miharris (Post 2245993)
REAL service dogs, yes. Pets, absolutely not! In fact, I actually think pets are prohibited by federal law (FDA) law, AND it is against the law misrepresent your pet as a service animal.

Unfortunately it's also against the law to require proof that someone's animal is a service animal. You can ask someone if their animal is a service animal. You can ask what kinds of services that animal is trained to perform. You canNOT ask them what it's trained to perform "for the person" - or whether that is THEIR service animal. The law is incredibly nitpicky and specific. And clear. If the person says yes, then you are required to accept their answer.

HOWEVER

If that dog misbehaves in any way, you still reserve the right to order its handler to leave, and take the dog with them.

Four on the floor (no carts, strollers, carried in arms).
On a short, non-retractable leash.
Heeled at all times, out of the way of other customers.
No sniffing at the food or other customers.
No one other than the handler should be permitted to touch the dog (if you say "sure you can pet him!" then he's not there as a service animal).

CoachKandSportsguy 08-16-2023 06:37 AM

NO!

JGibson 08-16-2023 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by I'm Popeye! (Post 2245632)
So then, you're saying it's OK to pile poop on top of poop... :coolsmiley:

Huh? What does that even mean?

I don't own a dog but it doesn't bother me if a well behaved dog is in a store. Some times the dogs are better behaved than the humans in the store.

I'm more concerned with our food being made in laboratories and the filthy restaurant kitchens, you can add Waffle House to the long list of restaurants that have received violations for bad food handling recently in TV.

I lost track of how many times IHOP has been closed due to rodent infestation.

I love Publix and if no dogs is their policy so be it, I'm not losing sleep over it but I would still be more concerned with what so called food we're putting in our bodies.

Oh, just checking are cats still allowed in the store in a baby carriage. lol.

Bilyclub 08-16-2023 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2246023)
Huh? What does that even mean?

I don't own a dog but it doesn't bother me if a well behaved dog is in a store. Some times the dogs are better behaved than the humans in the store.

I'm more concerned with our food being made in laboratories and the filthy restaurant kitchens, you can add Waffle House to the long list of restaurants that have received violations for bad food handling recently in TV.

I lost track of how many times IHOP has been closed due to rodent infestation.

I love Publix and if no dogs is their policy so be it, I'm not losing sleep over it but I would still be more concerned with what so called food we're putting in our bodies.

Oh, just checking are cats still allowed in the store in a baby carriage. lol.



It's not just a policy. It's Florida law.
Time To Call Law Enforcement? More Dogs In Publix, Despite Sign - BocaNewsNow.com

OhioBuckeye 08-16-2023 08:07 AM

Good point!

Velvet 08-16-2023 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2246004)
Unfortunately it's also against the law to require proof that someone's animal is a service animal. You can ask someone if their animal is a service animal. You can ask what kinds of services that animal is trained to perform. You canNOT ask them what it's trained to perform "for the person" - or whether that is THEIR service animal. The law is incredibly nitpicky and specific. And clear. If the person says yes, then you are required to accept their answer.

HOWEVER

If that dog misbehaves in any way, you still reserve the right to order its handler to leave, and take the dog with them.

Four on the floor (no carts, strollers, carried in arms).
On a short, non-retractable leash.
Heeled at all times, out of the way of other customers.
No sniffing at the food or other customers.
No one other than the handler should be permitted to touch the dog (if you say "sure you can pet him!" then he's not there as a service animal).

It’s against the law to require proof if an animal is a service animal makes as much sense as asking a person for their driver’s license when they drove questionably. Because there is so much abuse of it right now, that law needs to be modified.

fdpaq0580 08-16-2023 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2245972)
Some dogs should be allowed, others not. However, some people will bring their dogs even if they shouldn't be allowed, and in fact, fall outside of the description of dogs that are allowed.
I like dogs. I don't love seeing them in grocery stores. But, I don't let it bother me.
The fact is, that fresh fruit you are looking to buy, that came from South America, or Southern California, has spent some time in a warehouse with all kinds of vermin crawling all over it, so you should wash it carefully when you get home anyway. That dog in Aisle 3 is the least of your worries if your concern is food contamination .

Thanks for the visual. I may never eat again.

Laker14 08-16-2023 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2246146)
Thanks for the visual. I may never eat again.

it is what it is. It won't kill you. I've also worked in the restaurant biz. That won't kill you either, but if you think it's a sterile atmosphere, well....best you just keep on thinking that.

And, in the "it is what it is" department, there is this...

"The FDA allows up to 30 insect fragments and one rodent hair to be detected in every 100 grams of peanut butter. A standard jar of peanut butter is often between 300 to 500 grams.

This means that a single jar of peanut butter can have around five rodent hairs and 150 insect fragments and still pass inspection. " (source: The Daily Mail")

Charm1 08-16-2023 10:24 AM

No and that's why I no longer shop at Winn Dixie on 441.
 
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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2245022)
On a leash they can wiz on the shelf, in the cart hopefully the owner will step in the puddle instead. Yes have witnessed both issues more I care to count.

Those who have to take their dogs in the grocery are rarely well trained.

Correct! I saw this about six months ago at Winn Dixie as a woman had two dogs inside the cart and they were making a big mess. I mentioned it to a clerk, who said they couldn't do anything about it (even though there is a sign on the door that pets are not allowed). I asked for a manager and told him and he said there was nothing they could do, except that they would be sanitizing the cart after the lady left.
I watched and she left the store with the dogs still in the cart, put them in her car and then the cart was added to the others in the parking lot. No sanitization was going to be done. :MOJE_whot:

I'm Popeye! 08-16-2023 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2245885)
That statute doesn't include a little tidbit that makes the entire statute a moot point:

It is against federal law to ask someone for proof that their animal is a service animal. And furthermore, there is no "official" service animal certification, federally authorized training or license. Anyone can train an animal to perform a service for them, and by law, that animal is, by definition, a service animal.

Lately, Its an upside-down country, but most :0000000000luvmyhors like it that way...

I'm Popeye! 08-16-2023 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2245889)
It was put into practice some time before this thread started. That's really all that matters. Anyone could have looked it up between then and now, and would've seen the information right there.

Also, I fixed your post - you misspelled animals.

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I'm Popeye! 08-16-2023 11:07 AM

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kkingston57 08-16-2023 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by shaw8700@outlook.com (Post 2244987)
No, other than service dogs, (aren’t they all service dogs?) they shouldn’t be allowed in a place that sells food. I love dogs, but not where I go for food.

Brother has a real service dog. It went through 15 months of training. Many of these "service dogs" are what I call comfort dogs.

Byte1 08-16-2023 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2245247)
No. It is disgusting and unhygienic to have a dog near my food, or in my grocery cart etc … and yes I am a dog lover. A dog is not of human species and will never become one no matter how much you might want it to, or love it.

UNLESS it identifies as a human...:pepper2:

Byte1 08-16-2023 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvNH (Post 2245298)
I really believe The Village attitude is "do not upset the Villagers" which is ridiculous. Remember the toilet paper sell out during the pandemic .... well I do, I have never seen so many crazy rude old people trying to stock up on toilet paper.

Folks do not become "crazy rude old people" once they move to The Villages. They were like that before they moved here.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-16-2023 02:25 PM

True story - happened today.

You know the lady who LITERALLY drags her ancient little dog around Spanish Springs sometimes when the bands are playing, the dog with only three working legs, and the back left is non-functional? She walks faster than the dog can keep up so she ends up - I kid you not - dragging the poor thing.

Today I'm at the supermarket, and there she is, with the dog. Comes up behind me in the checkout line. Now mind you - I've recently had surgery to remove a malignant melanoma from my calf, and have only started walking around without keeping it covered, after 3 weeks of waiting for it to heal enough for that. Doctor says it's good to go but I still have a thin layer of ointment on it to keep it moist.

So what does that poor decrepit tortured abused dog do? It comes up to my leg and starts sniffing it.

Because nothing says "service animal" like dog-germs and fur on a healing scab. Of COURSE I said "hey!" to get the lady's attention. She doesn't even look me in the eye, and mumbles "sorry."

Sorry my left butt cheek. If you were REALLY sorry you would've kept your dog home. Or better still - allowed someone to adopt him years ago who wouldn't torture him every time you want to leave the house.

If you're that lady, and you're reading this, I hope your dog pees on your shoes every day until the day it finally is rid of you.

Byte1 08-16-2023 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dnobles (Post 2245489)
So someone who needs a dog that can detect an on coming seizure or diabetic attack must stay home right

Ha! And all these little rascals are trained for that, right? Com'on, Man!

JMintzer 08-16-2023 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilyclub (Post 2246088)

That's not what the article says...

Michael G. 08-16-2023 04:23 PM

You would think the state of Florida and retail businesses would be working together
through Florida's sanitation laws, (if there are any), to keep animals out of any establishment
that deals with food service.

Or insert common sense in pet owners.

PersonOfInterest 08-16-2023 09:21 PM

Does anybody want to disclose WHY they don't want a Dog in the grocery Store? There are hundreds/Thousands of homes that have dogs in the home and they are most likely around the food and and in the food preparation locations of the home. How do you see a dog in a grocery store being a problem?

Two Bills 08-17-2023 04:45 AM

Do people take their dogs to church these days?
Not been in one for many decades.
Genuine question.

Two Bills 08-17-2023 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2246447)
Does anybody want to disclose WHY they don't want a Dog in the grocery Store?

Same reason they do not allow them in Operating Theaters.

Laker14 08-17-2023 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2246476)
Same reason they do not allow them in Operating Theaters.

they don't let ANYONE in the OR unless they are scrubbed, gloved, and gowned. I don't think that standard would apply well in Publix.

Two Bills 08-17-2023 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2246505)
they don't let ANYONE in the OR unless they are scrubbed, gloved, and gowned. I don't think that standard would apply well in Publix.

Not for shoppers, just for dogs!:)

Bay Kid 08-17-2023 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2246475)
Do people take their dogs to church these days?
Not been in one for many decades.
Genuine question.

I have not seen them in my church. And we shouldn't.

Dotneko 08-17-2023 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2246447)
Does anybody want to disclose WHY they don't want a Dog in the grocery Store? There are hundreds/Thousands of homes that have dogs in the home and they are most likely around the food and and in the food preparation locations of the home. How do you see a dog in a grocery store being a problem?

Because that dog's butt, nose, paws are everywhere. If you read the above stories, the owners cant stop them from defecating in the store. Or ****ing on the low level foodstuffs. If they put them in the cart, then they spread that crap onto the cart and then onto the next persons food that uses that cart.

If I go to a home and see the owners dog is into everything, I wont be eating there either.
The dogs lick their behinds and kiss the owners faces? How mentally deficient can a person be to think that is OK?

Cybersprings 08-17-2023 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2246475)
Do people take their dogs to church these days?
Not been in one for many decades.
Genuine question.

There is a lady in my church in Michigan that brings hers every Sunday.

Dlpdo 08-17-2023 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 2245040)
Why is it necessary for a dog to be brought in a store around other people's food? What good would a service dog even provide while in a grocery store? Sorry but unless you are blind I don't get it.

There are many kinds of trained service dogs. Some can even warn their owners of an impending seizure, then help the owner to the ground as well as maneuver to provide a cushion for the owners head so that it does not hit the ground repeatedly.

Fredster 08-17-2023 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dlpdo (Post 2246653)
There are many kinds of trained service dogs. Some can even warn their owners of an impending seizure, then help the owner to the ground as well as maneuver to provide a cushion for the owners head so that it does not hit the ground repeatedly.

Specially trained service dogs are one thing,
but pets and comfort dogs are not welcome in food stores IMHO!

fdpaq0580 08-17-2023 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2245905)
I agree, Instacart, Amazon, Walmart etc all deliver. And there has to be a way of officially proving that a dog is a service dog - a pass like handicap parking pass etc to be produced on request like a license to bring an animal where otherwise it would not be permitted.
Please don’t say it is my private business what’s wrong with me, the license would not have to say that you have epilepsy or something, or whatever service dogs help with, just that this dog is required to assist you. On the license maybe a photo of the dog. Like a handicap pass it should not be reproducible.

With the delivery services available, no one actually needs to go into a store, especially if they need to drag a dog with them.
Also, many people who have medical issues wear medic-alert tags incase the have attacks or seizures. For the protection of the patient and the dog, both should have tags issued by government.

bilcon 08-17-2023 10:04 AM

Dogs in stores.
 
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2244988)
Just "service dogs" that have been vetted in some manner. I am not even sure what a "service dog" is when taking into account the pooches I have seen in some places in the Villages.

Every time this topic comes up, it reminds me of the time when a black lab was brought into Ben, Bath and Beyond and proceeded to take a "dump" on the floor. The dog's owner quickly took the dog back outside, but never returned to clean up the mass. Leave them home. I don't want them in a shopping cart that I put my perishables in. I really love dogs, just not in stores.

Michael G. 08-17-2023 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2246447)
Does anybody want to disclose WHY they don't want a Dog in the grocery Store? There are hundreds/Thousands of homes that have dogs in the home and they are most likely around the food and and in the food preparation locations of the home. How do you see a dog in a grocery store being a problem?

Your home is your business what dogs do or where they go.

Public places is a different then your home where products are consumed
and bought without dog/cat hair in/on them.


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