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CarGuys 02-10-2012 01:58 AM

Relax
 
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Originally Posted by swimdawg (Post 450784)
Yes, you were the smart one.

You can now relax. Enjoy that popcorn.

Yep looking FORWARD to the time to slow down, Say I wonder if those gophers in my yard are the sink hole culprits!

Anyone seen my lake? It disappeared?

:shocked: :1rotfl::1rotfl:

CarGuys 02-10-2012 02:00 AM

Hmmm
 
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Originally Posted by The Village Girl (Post 451099)
Oh dear.... do tell us where you live so we can stay clear.

Oh wait... I think I found your house when I was driving around tonight. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...troyedHome.jpg

How do you get my house pic at closing! Yep up in 60 days!

CarGuys 02-10-2012 02:03 AM

It's automatic
 
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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 450914)
Nope. But I'm a fast learner!

Hold off on that new pool! Nature's sinkhole crew might help you out with the excavation
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Happinow. Just add water and it's instant pool.:ohdear:

Just kidding!

H

Sweetgirl 02-10-2012 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark1130 (Post 451128)
I, like many others here I am sure, mad a mad dash to my insurance policy to see how my coverage was worded.

My agent told me when I bought the policy I had sinkhole coverage. It does state on one line item under Premium Adjustments a charge of $25.00 for sinkhole loss coverage.

Someone reassure me before I call my agent that this is the accepted sinkhole coverage.

Mad dash to my insurance policy? Same here Mark. The picture of the home with the sink hole really drives home the point & need to ensure that our home is properly covered. We are with All State and we were told that our next billing will show they are changing their sink hole policy...our deductible will be 10% of insured valve of the home Ooch! :shocked: $500 deductible for other damages. Our Premium charge is also $27 for sink hole coverage

graciegirl 02-10-2012 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CarGuys (Post 451183)
Yep looking FORWARD to the time to slow down, Say I wonder if those gophers in my yard are the sink hole culprits!

Anyone seen my lake? It disappeared?

:shocked: :1rotfl::1rotfl:

We have your gophers figured out. They are Turtle mounds.

They are also protected. BUT you can move them I think.

senior citizen 02-10-2012 07:58 AM

Movable map of sinkholes in Marion County , etc.
 
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BOMBERO 02-10-2012 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 451219)
Just for our own personal knowledge I typed in "sink holes in Marion County" into the search engine and came up with a company that repairs them.

"SECURE FOUNDATION SYSTEMS THE SINKHOLE EXPERTS".

After their long advertisment and explanation is a MOVABLE MAP of all the areas in and around Marion County and actually all of central Florida showing where the sinkholes are. Red dots and the yellow dots....or circles.

I tried to "send the link" but it wouldn't work. I tried to copy and paste the entire article to here, but ditto, it wouldn't work. So, for whomever is concerned before building or buying........you can move the map around and see where other sinkholes have occurred.

Try typing in the company name. I believe they are in Marion County. Not looking at their ad right at the moment. It would have been easier to include the hyperlink....for sure.

Sinkholes of Marion County, FL | SFSI in Ocala & Spring Hill FL

THIS TIME I WAS ABLE TO ADD THE HYPERLINK......or just type this in.

Secure Restoration Systems - Sinkhole, Fire, Flood, and Storm Restoration Services in Florida

http://www.securefsi.com/sinkholesnear.asp

lightworker888 02-10-2012 08:32 AM

Sinkholes in Sumter County
 
Just got this link, which is from 2008 and it doesn't look like there are many sinkholes in Sumter. Maybe I'm not reading it right, or maybe most have occurred since 2008.

Sinkholes of Sumter County, Florida , 2008

LW888

janmcn 02-10-2012 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by lovsthosebigdogs (Post 451093)
That's quite a collection of stories to tell. How many days have you lived here?

Coming up on 12 years.

cappyjon431 02-10-2012 08:52 AM

I have very vivid memories of when this sink hole appeared in Winter Park, about 30 years ago. I was living in miami at the time, but it made all the headlines:


http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...1/sinkhole.jpges.

senior citizen 02-10-2012 08:59 AM

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cappyjon431 02-10-2012 09:01 AM

this was a brief summary of that sinkhole formation:

On May 9, 1981, a large sinkhole collapsed in Winter Park, Florida, swallowing a house, five Porsches at a luxury car dealership, and half of an Olympic-sized swimming pool. The sinkhole collapse occurred when carbonate bedrock had dissolved to the point that it could no longer support the weight of the overlying soil and sediment. The city of Winter Park stabilized and sealed the sinkhole, converting it into a 107-meter-wide (350-foot-wide) urban lake.

Read more: Karst Hydrology - river, system Karst Hydrology - river, system

senior citizen 02-10-2012 09:06 AM

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graciegirl 02-10-2012 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 451261)
Apparently , as I just discovered, the sinkholes are not that much of a secret, dating back quite a few years. If one was buying a resale, would the realtor divulge that other sinkholes had formed in the area?

Even if only on a golf course, it could prove dangerous. Again, we don't want to have our heads in the sand and end up not covered by insurance if it ever did happen. I'm not losing any sleep over it, but then again, if one looks at the photos and really ponders that this could happen........what then?

Surprise! More sinkholes in The Villages

What then is this. We lose another day of precious time worrying about something that rarely happens. We do NOT have that time to waste. Buy insurance. Be happy.

Life is short. We are in the fourth quarter.

senior citizen 02-10-2012 09:47 AM

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Russ_Boston 02-10-2012 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 450648)
I now understand why the Daily Sun doesn't report it. And next time I will ignore it as well. :icon_wink:

Florida is the land of sinkholes. Not sure why it is the obligation of any paper to report on this type of issue. No one was hurt, it's property damage and not from something newsworthy and unusual like a car driving into a home. Should they report a lighting surge that knocks out my wiring and costs 10K to fix?

There is enough coverage of sinkholes for me to have known that they exist and I need to have coverage.

Let's hope these people are protected.

janmcn 02-10-2012 10:09 AM

I am not a geologist, only an observationist. There seems to be a direct correlation between pumping large amounts of water out of the ground and sinkholes. For instance, when there are hard freezes in Polk county and sprinklers are being run several nights in a row to protect the strawberry plants, then hundreds of sinkholes develop shortly thereafter.

Quoting from Tampa Bay Times: "Heavy rains, massive pumping of groundwater and other factors can speed sinkhole formation, but Florida's Swiss-cheese geology and sandy soil have remained the same for eons. Thus no natural events explain the explosion in sinkhole claims in the past five years".

UpNorth 02-10-2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 451286)
I am not a geologist, only an observationist. There seems to be a direct correlation between pumping large amounts of water out of the ground and sinkholes. For instance, when there are hard freezes in Polk county and sprinklers are being run several nights in a row to protect the strawberry plants, then hundreds of sinkholes develop shortly thereafter.

Quoting from Tampa Bay Times: "Heavy rains, massive pumping of groundwater and other factors can speed sinkhole formation, but Florida's Swiss-cheese geology and sandy soil have remained the same for eons. Thus no natural events explain the explosion in sinkhole claims in the past five years".

I've read that most of The Villages' potable water supply comes from the Florida aquifer, and that the aquifer level is being depleted to the point where it will no longer be a viable source in the near future. The Villages does use reclaimed and "grey water" for irrigation in some area, but the fact remains that there may be a water crisis in the future. And that will require using river water which will need to be piped in where available and heavily processed. When you look at it, the land that The Villages is built on only needed to support cattle and horses in the past. Now we have dense development and loads of irrigation needs. And there is more on the way. Is there enough water available to support the build-out Villages in the future? As we pump out the aquifer, can we expect more large sinkholes?

spk7951 02-10-2012 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill32 (Post 451060)
Could you give me the name of your carrier? My insurance carrier cancelled my policy.


Our homeowners policy is with Security First Insurance through our Allstate agent.

spk7951 02-10-2012 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 451077)
Spk, I'm not sure what they did for that inspection as I wasn't present. I do know that they needed to look around inside the house - I made arrangements with our homewatch person to be there to let the inspector in. Externally, I believe all they looked for was any obvious cracking in the observable foundation, sidewalk/driveway, etc. I think our insurance agent also mentioned that they check with whatever source for reports of previous sink hole occurrences in the surrounding area.

Wish I had more specifics for you - sorry!

Bill :)


Maybe the way I should look at it is that nothing should surprise me when it comes to insurance companies.

GatorFan 02-10-2012 02:59 PM

This would be covered under catastrophic ground cover collapse coverage which is automatic coverage on property policies in Florida subject to all perils deductible.

VillagesFlorida 02-10-2012 08:25 PM

The insurance gal at Allstate told us the other day that no company is writing sinkhole coverage any longer on homes in Marion County. I wonder if those who have it now will have probelms getting their coverage renewed?

CarGuys 02-10-2012 08:36 PM

Cool
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 451210)
We have your gophers figured out. They are Turtle mounds.

They are also protected. BUT you can move them I think.

Thanks Gracie! I had so many options of what those mounds were?

I saw so many in the pasture behind the home that I figured it was gophers or moles?

A Turtle? Never would have guessed that one!

Now back to the sinkhole thread.

Bill32 02-10-2012 09:56 PM

Thank you

Barefoot 02-11-2012 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by VillagesFlorida (Post 451543)
The insurance gal at Allstate told us the other day that no company is writing sinkhole coverage any longer on homes in Marion County. I wonder if those who have it now will have probelms getting their coverage renewed?

Our agent explained that sinkhole coverage has increased a lot in cost so we pay a higher policy rate for our renewal (Sumter County). We've been with this company for five years. He said that sinkhole coverage isn't available for new policies being written. I find this hard to believe.

senior citizen 02-11-2012 07:44 AM

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graciegirl 02-11-2012 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 451645)
I "hear you" however, in our town of 16,000 people, I'm fairly certain that our daily local newspaper would indeed write about a sinkhole swallowing up the front lawn, the porch, the backyard, the golf course, or God forbid, the house, even if it was a minor sinkhole. Now, I agree they might not cover a small thing like a power outage......but since we have volunteer firemen, they do cover a story of a clothes dryer in a home that catches on fire, etc.

It's news to some people I guess.

Again, it's nothing to lose sleep over, however, it is wise to be knowledgeable on the facts of sinkholes and those maps sort of tell the story (some areas are more vulnerable than others).

As far as getting coverage, from what I've been reading, it's near impossible to get sinkhole insurance coverage...which would mean the homeowner would lose their investment. Most people who sell their northern homes put down that "profit" onto the home in THE VILLAGES..........thus, they would lose their lifetime of equity from a fully paid up northern home.

It all boils down to.....how much is one willing to risk "if" the worse case scenario ever occurred. Only individual property owners & potential buyers know what they would do. Again, every area has "something" worth pondering..........and yet again, in some areas the good outweigh the bad.

It's all a personal preference.

Senior. You are jumping to the wrong conclusion. You can get coverage for sinkholes.

And the worse case scenario is on the horizon. We don't LIVE forever. I am taking my chances on falling into the earth here before I have to...say fall into the earth. An eventuality for all of us.

THIS part of Florida. This wonderful place. This terrific time is a safe bet for ME.:clap2:

VillagesFlorida 02-11-2012 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 451620)
Our agent explained that sinkhole coverage has increased a lot in cost so we pay a higher policy rate for our renewal (Sumter County). We've been with this company for five years. He said that sinkhole coverage isn't available for new policies being written. I find this hard to believe.

Are you saying that you were informed that sinkhole coverage is no longer available in Sumter County? We are in the process of switching insurance companies and we are able to get sinkhole coverage. We live in Sumter County. I was told that very few insurance companies will insure for sinkhole loss.

senior citizen 02-11-2012 10:52 AM

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KEVIN & JOSIE 02-11-2012 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 451721)
We just both like to keep well informed. Actually, this morning we were looking at all the virtual tours of the newest model homes and loved them all.

Again, not losing sleep over the sinkholes. We've never been hasty to come to a final decision, preferring to do our research ahead of time.

We've always vacationed in Florida for the past 47 years of our marriage, but central Florida is a hidden gem for sure. Sinkholes or not.

We like the fact that TV is surrounded by lakes and horse farms and very very GREEN.........plus the home designs and prices can't be beat....again, we were very impressed with The Villages..........more so than we thought we might be. However, we still feel we should know everything about the area that there is to know. Common sense, no matter what our age.

ACTUALLY, we kept reminding each other that we have many options and should not rush into anything. Having owned many many homes in our lifetime and remodeled many of them, we want this final purchase to be just that.

Having lived in Florida twice before, in the early 1970's and again in the early 1990's, returning both times to Vermont.........we also have to decide do we want to move full time or just be snow birds. We have options.

We are constantly discussing it. Our plan at the moment is to take a long leisurely road trip and check out other areas on the way down to THE VILLAGES again........both seacoast and foothills of the Carolina mountains, etc.

Having JUST retired a year ago, we want to enjoy the journey before we put our present home on the market for sale in a not so great real estate climate up here..........so doing the research ahead of time is a "natural thing" for both of us. When the sinkhole controversy came up, it was very natural to do the research on it. I did read that scientific minds seem to think it is on the increase.

p.s. Every town has something worrisome or not so great about it; up here everyone has the right to free speech and to express an opinion or to question or look into things that might be negatives........we don't disallow other opinions if they question why Vermont has so many pot holes and frost heaves. We sold our last house to a Floridian who was just escaping Andrew back in 1994. It was a beautiful house; she compared it to a Florida house which it was not.........Florida doesn't have to deal with frost and sub zero temps. Anyway, I appreciated all the input about the sinkholes, maps and the difficulty in getting insurance for such and all the private messages as well on the subject. NOT EVERYTHING IS A JOKE IN LIFE. SOME PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO LOSE THEIR ENTIRE INVESTMENT. THANKS.

:agree: My home equity is a lifetime of work and savings. To invest in a property only to be told that "maybe"you can insure, and get true full coverage of your assets, is not good enough for me. And to be told down the road as claims increase, that we will no longer cover you against loss, is not good enough. A red flag went up when I checked for homeowners insurance with all of the large companies, and found that none of them would write a policy in Florida. They would refer you to the smaller carriers. My current company, whom I've been with for 20 years, would not write a policy there. True, we will all die, and none of this will matter, but if a catostrophic loss happens in my senior years, it does matter!

Posh 08 02-11-2012 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KEVIN & JOSIE (Post 451783)
:agree: My home equity is a lifetime of work and savings. To invest in a property only to be told that "maybe"you can insure, and get true full coverage of your assets, is not good enough for me. And to be told down the road as claims increase, that we will no longer cover you against loss, is not good enough. A red flag went up when I checked for homeowners insurance with all of the large companies, and found that none of them would write a policy in Florida. They would refer you to the smaller carriers. My current company, whom I've been with for 20 years, would not write a policy there. True, we will all die, and none of this will matter, but if a catostrophic loss happens in my senior years, it does matter!

Miss Sam and I will have to look more into this before any more headway can be made.

janmcn 02-11-2012 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KEVIN & JOSIE (Post 451783)
:agree: My home equity is a lifetime of work and savings. To invest in a property only to be told that "maybe"you can insure, and get true full coverage of your assets, is not good enough for me. And to be told down the road as claims increase, that we will no longer cover you against loss, is not good enough. A red flag went up when I checked for homeowners insurance with all of the large companies, and found that none of them would write a policy in Florida. They would refer you to the smaller carriers. My current company, whom I've been with for 20 years, would not write a policy there. True, we will all die, and none of this will matter, but if a catostrophic loss happens in my senior years, it does matter!

This is why Citizens Insurance, the state run insurer of last resort was established and now has become the largest insurer in Florida. All the large insurance companies, State Farm, Nationwide, etc. stopped writing policies in the coastal counties within the last five years. Do you know when the last hurricane hit Tampa? 1921 That's right 90 years ago. The Villages has had more hurricanes than Tampa.

Barefoot 02-11-2012 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by VillagesFlorida (Post 451660)
Are you saying that you were informed that sinkhole coverage is no longer available in Sumter County? We are in the process of switching insurance companies and we are able to get sinkhole coverage. We live in Sumter County. I was told that very few insurance companies will insure for sinkhole loss.

VF, I think we're basically saying the same thing. I was also told that very few insurance companies will insure for sinkhole loss, unless you are an existing customer. My Insurance Broker said we're better to stay with our existing company and pay the larger premium because it is very difficult to get sinkhole insurance for newbies. Of course this applies only to the companies with whom our Broker deals.

I'm sure it can't be impossible to get Sinkhole Coverage in Sumter County for newbies. Otherwise, how would they be selling a multitude of new homes? Also, in the case of purchasers requiring a mortgage, I'd think mortgage companies would require Sinkhole Coverage.

Tickled_pink 02-11-2012 03:00 PM

Sink hole insurance companies
 
Would anyone out there be willing to give the name of your insurance company that DOES provide sink hole insurance besides Security First Ins that has already been mentioned?

KEVIN & JOSIE 02-11-2012 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 451796)
This is why Citizens Insurance, the state run insurer of last resort was established and now has become the largest insurer in Florida. All the large insurance companies, State Farm, Nationwide, etc. stopped writing policies in the coastal counties within the last five years. Do you know when the last hurricane hit Tampa? 1921 That's right 90 years ago. The Villages has had more hurricanes than Tampa.

Some new info on Citizens Insurance.

Fla. House OKs alternative hurricane insurance - Florida Wires - MiamiHerald.com

Advogado 02-12-2012 02:17 PM

POA Article
 
Here is a very good POA article on the subject: http://www.poa4us.org/bulletins_file...etin201105.pdf

However, since it is from last May, it may not be up to date on the availability of insurance coverage.

Tickled_pink 02-12-2012 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 452324)
Here is a very good POA article on the subject: http://www.poa4us.org/bulletins_file...etin201105.pdf

However, since it is from last May, it may not be up to date on the availability of insurance coverage.

Thanks for the link Advogado.

KEVIN & JOSIE 02-12-2012 03:40 PM

Article on sinkhole protection costs could increase by 429% statewide.

Proposed sinkhole insurance rates likely will force people to drop coverage - Tampa Bay Times


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