[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Nonsense... It's not "a minute or two"... It can be 20-30 minutes, stuck behind someone who cannot regulate their speed...

When the carts start backing up behind you, here's a tip... "It's You"...

20 to 30 minutes? How far do you think you are going to have to follow that individual? The likely hood of you following the same cart for more than a block or two before you have a chance to get by is probably pretty slim. Most places I use my cart for (other than golf) I could walk to in 20 to 30 minutes.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by VApeople

Yes, one member is very sufficient, as long as that one is me.

When I was a young kid, I used to say, "I like myself and I love myself". I guess I haven't changed much.

Wow, just wow! Guess there really hasn't been much change. Please google "Narcissus".

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Randall55

I travel 301 daily and I see the opposite. A few drivers accelerating to pass as many cars as possible, and weaving in and out of lanes. Aggressive driving will not get the result you desire. Most cars will slow down fearful of being struck.

When 301 is congested, a driver should not expect the road to magically open for him. The left lane is not a "drive as fast as I want" lane. There are posted speed limits. Drivers who ignore the limit are dangerous.

They absolutely are. And both law enforcement and insurance company data show that it is the SLOW driver that is far more dangerous than the speeders. Stay in the right lane except to pass.

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

They absolutely are. And both law enforcement and insurance company data show that it is the SLOW driver that is far more dangerous than the speeders. Stay in the right lane except to pass.

I am not going to disagree with your data. One can easily google ANYTHING and find the answer that you desire. My common sense tells me speeding vehicles cause more damage and fatalities in a collision.This is why most drivers slow down when confronted. It is a knee jerk reaction. Every driver understands that it is not going to be pretty if you are the one struck by the speeder.

I am guessing you do not travel 301 on a regular basis. At times, it gets congested with no means for the majority of traffic to stay in the right lane.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

I am not going to disagree with your data. One can easily google ANYTHING and find the answer that you desire. My common sense tells me speeding vehicles cause more damage and fatalities in a collision This is why most people slow down around them. It is a knee jerk reaction. Every driver understands that it is not going to be pretty if you are the one struck by the speeder.

I am guessing you do not travel 301 on a regular basis. At times, it gets congested with no means for the majority of traffic to stay in the right lane.

Fortunately, my data trumps your "common sense".

As far as 301 in Florida goes, it doesn't come anywhere close to driving on the BQE or Cross Bronx

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Fortunately, my data trumps your "common sense".

As far as 301 in Florida goes, it doesn't come anywhere close to driving on the BQE or Cross Bronx

I doubt I am trumped. I can easily google what I have stated and find data to support it. I do not have to! My common sense knows a speeding vehicle causes more damage and fatalaties. Want to put it to a test? Let me hit your car from behind at 35 mph. Then let me hit you going 65 mph. Will you still believe the slower causes more damage?

What about your reaction time when you see the vehicles approaching? Will you have more time to get out of the way of a 35 mph vehicle or a 65 mph vehicle? Will you freeze in fear?

Drivers freeze when they see a speeding car approaching them. They instantly slow down. It is a knee jerk reaction.

So what if a car or cart is driving slow in the left lane? When you approach, you can pass them on the right. If that is impossible because of other traffic, what makes you believe the driver in the left lane can do the impossible?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Fortunately, my data trumps your "common sense".

As far as 301 in Florida goes, it doesn't come anywhere close to driving on the BQE or Cross Bronx

Data? What data? You have mentioned such data before but, to the best of my knowledge (having likely not seen every post you have made) have never posted the actual data. So, as far as I, or others know your "trump" is just hear say. One thing we do know is "speed kills!"

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Data? What data? You have mentioned such data before but, to the best of my knowledge (having likely not seen every post you have made) have never posted the actual data. So, as far as I, or others know your "trump" is just hear say. One thing we do know is "speed kills!"

GE's data is correct. Slow drivers DO CAUSE more accidents. I was trying to explain why a driver in the left lane may slow down. Moving at the speed limit, they notice a speeding car approaching from behind. They instantly take their foot off the gas. It is a knee jerk reaction that stems from a fear of being struck.

I have lived here for 23 yrs and I have not seen many vehicles travelling significantly lower than the speed limit for an extended period of time. Instead, I often see a driver continuing to keep speed even when approaching another vehicle. The driver in front immediately slows down. The speeder gets angry. He honks his horn, flips a finger, or yells. In my opinion, the speeder is at fault. He has made an assumption that the driver ahead of him has no reason to be there. And now, has slowed down to tick him off.

In fact, the slow driver in the left lane most likely has reason. He has just entered onto the road and is trying to get into the right lane, he is lost, he is making the next left turn, he accelerated to pass vehicles on the right and is now waiting to get back into the right lane, or he is experiencing car problems. The speeder does not recognize this. His only concern is himself.This aggressive driving is the reason the driver in front of him SLOWS DOWN.

BTW: The data does not specifically state slow drivers have more accidents. It states the slow driver causes other drivers periods of braking and speeding up.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

GE's data is correct. Slow drivers DO CAUSE more accidents. I was trying to explain why a driver may slow down. If they are moving at the speed limit and see a speeding car approaching from behind, they instantly take their foot off the gas. It is a knee jerk reaction that stems from a fear of being struck.

I have lived here for 23 yrs and I have not seen vehicles travelling significantly lower than the speed limit for an extended period of time. Instead, I often see a driver continuing to speed even when approaching another vehicle from behind. The driver in front immediately slows down in fear of being struck.

I totally agree with you that higher speeds in an accident cause more damage and possibly fatalities, especially the difference in speed, which makes the slow driver just as contributory as the speeder. I’m not sure how many drivers see a “speeder” and slow down out of “fear”, I certainly don’t, but I suppose those with inferior driving skills are more likely to do so

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I totally agree with you that higher speeds in an accident cause more damage and possibly fatalities, especially the difference in speed, which makes the slow driver just as contributory as the speeder. I’m not sure how many drivers see a “speeder” and slow down out of “fear”, I certainly don’t, but I suppose those with inferior driving skills are more likely to do so

I've always wondered about the thought process that says, "Hey, there's a guy behind me that is going faster than me and would like me to get out of the way. I know what I'll do instead, I'll drive even slower, that will make things better."

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I've always wondered about the thought process that says, "Hey, there's a guy behind me that is going faster than me and would like me to get out of the way. I know what I'll do instead, I'll drive even slower, that will make things better."

Exactly. Makes no sense, best to get out of his way. And the drivers that intentionally go slower just p.o. them more

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Exactly. Makes no sense, best to get out of his way. And the drivers that intentionally go slower just p.o. them more

The world does not have to open up to your desires. There are REASONS another vehicle may be travelling in the left lane. It is a terrible assumption that they are doing so to tick you off.

I do not accelerate to get out of the way of a speeder or to keep his pace. What sense does that make? The speeder can pass on the right. This allows the so-called SLOW driver to make his planned left turn. INSTEAD OF MISSING HIS TURN BECAUSE OF AN AGRESSIVE DRIVER.

The speeder can't pass on the right due to traffic? Then please explain how the driver in front of him can move to the right lane.

If a police officer sees this happening, I guarantee you the speeder will be ticketed. Good luck explaining the slow driver in the left lane should not have been there.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

The world does not have to open up to your desires. There are REASONS another vehicle may be travelling in the left lane. It is a terrible assumption that they are doing so to tick you off.

I do not accelerate to get out of the way of a speeder or to keep his pace. What sense does that make? The speeder can pass on the right. This allows the so-called SLOW driver to make his planned left turn. INSTEAD OF MISSING HIS TURN BECAUSE OF AN AGRESSIVE DRIVER.

The speeder can't pass on the right due to traffic? Then please explain how the driver in front of him can move to the right lane.

If a police officer sees this happening, I guarantee you the speeder will be ticketed. Good luck explaining the slow driver in the left lane should not have been there.

First of all, I never stated that slow drivers hang out in the left lane to “tick me off”. I stated that drivers who intentionally slow down to “tick off” those who want to go faster will succeed. As far as not moving over goes, THE LAW requires you to get to the right when approached from behind by a faster vehicle. The faster vehicle IS NOT required to go around YOU, YOU are REQUIRED to move over, whether you like it or not, and yes, YOU can get a ticket if you refuse to do so

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

First of all, I never stated that slow drivers hang out in the left lane to “tick me off”. I stated that drivers who intentionally slow down to “tick off” those who want to go faster will succeed. As far as not moving over goes, THE LAW requires you to get to the right when approached from behind by a faster vehicle. The faster vehicle IS NOT required to go around YOU, YOU are REQUIRED to move over, whether you like it or not, and yes, YOU can get a ticket if you refuse to do so

Not if you are making a left turn, are waiting to move safely into the right lane after passing, or are experiencing car problems etc. There ARE REASONS a driver may be in the left lane. When you get pulled over for careless driving, good luck explaining all traffic was supposed to move to the right so YOU could travel seamlessly.

A vehicle has to move to the right lane ONLY if it is travelling below the speed limit. This is why it is called the SLOW LANE. The left lane does not allow you to travel at whatever speed you want. You must adhere to the speed limit. I do not know this as a fact, but there is probably a margin of +/- 5 mph. This would mean a cart travelling 15 mph, picking up speed, here and there, is allowed to continue in the left lane. I doubt a police officer will ticket the cart for failure to move to the right lane. Most likely, carts travelling over 20mph will get a ticket.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

Not if you are making a left turn, are waiting to move safely into the right lane after passing, or are experiencing car problems etc. There ARE REASONS a driver may be in the left lane. When you get pulled over for careless driving, good luck explaining all traffic was supposed to move to the right so YOU could travel seamlessly.

A vehicle has to move to the right lane ONLY if it is travelling below the speed limit. This is why it is called the SLOW LANE. The left lane does not allow you to travel at whatever speed you want. You must adhere to the speed limit. I do not know this as a fact, but there is probably a margin of +/- 5 mph. This would mean a cart travelling 15 mph, picking up speed, here and there, is allowed to continue in the left lane. I doubt a police officer will ticket the cart for failure to move to the right lane. Most likely, carts travelling over 20mph will get a ticket.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Florida LAW states you must move over from the left lane for ANY vehicle traveling faster than you are, REGARDLESS of speed. You could be going 95 mph and you STILL MUST move over for a vehicle that wants to go 100. PERIOD. You see, YOU are NOT the police. YOU DO NOT get to limit the speed of the maniacs who think they are in the Indy 500. YOU might want to (and I want to as well), but neither of us are permitted by law to do so. Our obligation under the law is to move over. Let the police deal with the speeders, it is not our job, nor do we have the authority to do so.

Once again, Florida statute 316.081:
(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection. There is no codicil stating you do not have to move over if you are travelling at the speed limit

As far as the exceptions to staying right go, yes, "preparing" to make a left turn is one of them---however, that preparation is not 2 miles in advance. So are the other things you mentioned. Now, that accounts for about 0.1% of the left lane Louies. The rest of them think it's just a nice lane to lollygag around in and draw attention to themselves via horns and fingers.