Exactly. Makes no sense, best to get out of his way. And the drivers that intentionally go slower just p.o. them more

The world does not have to open up to your desires. There are REASONS another vehicle may be travelling in the left lane. It is a terrible assumption that they are doing so to tick you off.

I do not accelerate to get out of the way of a speeder or to keep his pace. What sense does that make? The speeder can pass on the right. This allows the so-called SLOW driver to make his planned left turn. INSTEAD OF MISSING HIS TURN BECAUSE OF AN AGRESSIVE DRIVER.

The speeder can't pass on the right due to traffic? Then please explain how the driver in front of him can move to the right lane.

If a police officer sees this happening, I guarantee you the speeder will be ticketed. Good luck explaining the slow driver in the left lane should not have been there.

First of all, I never stated that slow drivers hang out in the left lane to “tick me off”. I stated that drivers who intentionally slow down to “tick off” those who want to go faster will succeed. As far as not moving over goes, THE LAW requires you to get to the right when approached from behind by a faster vehicle. The faster vehicle IS NOT required to go around YOU, YOU are REQUIRED to move over, whether you like it or not, and yes, YOU can get a ticket if you refuse to do so

Not if you are making a left turn, are waiting to move safely into the right lane after passing, or are experiencing car problems etc. There ARE REASONS a driver may be in the left lane. When you get pulled over for careless driving, good luck explaining all traffic was supposed to move to the right so YOU could travel seamlessly.

A vehicle has to move to the right lane ONLY if it is travelling below the speed limit. This is why it is called the SLOW LANE. The left lane does not allow you to travel at whatever speed you want. You must adhere to the speed limit. I do not know this as a fact, but there is probably a margin of +/- 5 mph. This would mean a cart travelling 15 mph, picking up speed, here and there, is allowed to continue in the left lane. I doubt a police officer will ticket the cart for failure to move to the right lane. Most likely, carts travelling over 20mph will get a ticket.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Florida LAW states you must move over from the left lane for ANY vehicle traveling faster than you are, REGARDLESS of speed. You could be going 95 mph and you STILL MUST move over for a vehicle that wants to go 100. PERIOD. You see, YOU are NOT the police. YOU DO NOT get to limit the speed of the maniacs who think they are in the Indy 500. YOU might want to (and I want to as well), but neither of us are permitted by law to do so. Our obligation under the law is to move over. Let the police deal with the speeders, it is not our job, nor do we have the authority to do so.

Once again, Florida statute 316.081:
(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection. There is no codicil stating you do not have to move over if you are travelling at the speed limit

As far as the exceptions to staying right go, yes, "preparing" to make a left turn is one of them---however, that preparation is not 2 miles in advance. So are the other things you mentioned. Now, that accounts for about 0.1% of the left lane Louies. The rest of them think it's just a nice lane to lollygag around in and draw attention to themselves via horns and fingers.

I get it! You believe posted speed limits MEAN NOTHING. Wow! Are you in for a surprise when a police officer catches you on radar. And no, it is not my responsibility to get out of the way of speeders. My responsibility is to travel at or under the speed limit. PERIOD! Please provide the law that states you are allowed to ignore speed limits and do as you please until a police officer stops you.

Keep clinging to that erroneous belief. If you are in the left lane IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to get out of the way of speeders. That's not me talking, that's the STATE OF FLORIDA. And to assume that speed limits mean nothing to me personally, well, when you assume........but in this case it only makes one out of you.

I read the law. You are correct. Thank you! We all live and learn. I always travelled in the right lane for what I thought was courtesy, Now, I understand it is the law. Many of my friends are unaware, as well. I will tell them and others who do not know. Thanks again!

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Try driving down to Southern Oaks for golf in the morning...It's 20 minutes and yes, you can be stuck behind someone the entire time...

Chances are, if you're driving over the Chitty Chatty bridge early in the morning, you're following a golfer...

There are actually a few shortcuts that will allow you to get by those clowns.

Guess if you want to travel that far, plan to leave a few minutes early. (Just to be on the safe side.)

Leaving earlier doesn't make the trip any more enjoyable...

The same with the left lane louies on the roads...

Everglades to Hillsborough today. Stuck behind someone the entire way. Drove just fast enough in the straightaways that passing wasn't an option and just slow enough everywhere else that following was excruciating.

You should have left earlier... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Too cold to do that!

Got to love it when someone is dawdling down the path at 13 mph, UNTIL.....you go to pass them and then they're up to 22. Interestingly, Florida law prohibits a vehicle from increasing speed while it is being passed, but I doubt it applies to golf carts on MMPs.

Been there... Still waiting for my (golf) balls to warm back up...

on the road or MMP?

Did you clock them? How fast (slow) were they going?

Most newer carts have a GPS speedometer on the steering column. (My 2017 Yamaha, bought at TV Golf Carts has one). Both of the Villages GPS Apps have a similar feature...

And since he mentioned curves and straightaways, it's fair to assume he was talking about the MMPs, as most of the roads are pretty straight...

From Everglades to Hillsborough the roads are four lanes so no problem passing.

I didn't "clock" them, I judged the difference between the speed we were traveling and my top speed and then compared that to the distance in a straightaway. Not enough distance to complete a pass safely.

(probably about 20 on the straight, 17 in the corners, and even less approaching intersections)

Excruciating? Like in getting a root canal sans novacain? That bad? Really? Let's see, they were going fast enough you couldn't pass and they had sense enough to slow when going through winding areas. So moving at almost your top speed? And you suffered Excruciating pain. You may wish to avoid making that trip if it causes you such agony and torment. Surely you can find enjoyment closer to home and save all the drama and trauma?
Or, are you exaggerating, perhaps, just a little.

If you knew me you would have no need to ask that question.

Thank you for that piece of advice. Rest assured I will put it to appropriate use.

I don't travel that way often in a golf cart because I'm in Poinciana, so I'm not very familiar with the route. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm estimating from my map app that the distance is around 7 miles.

At 20mph that would take 21 minutes, assuming you never slowed down for intersections, or curves, or pedestrians, or bicyclists. 21 minutes.

Assuming you got "stuck" behind someone who was going 20 for half that distance, and the other half of that distance was only going 15 mph, for curves, and approaching intersections, that would add a whopping 3.5 minutes to the trip.

And that assumes you never slowed down from 20 (the speed limit) for anything at all and that you followed this cart for the entire trip.

3.5 minutes.

Am I missing something here? This doesn't seem like it should be all that painful.

Consider this: If you get on I-75 to travel 10 miles, at 70 mph that's 8 min 34 sec. If you get stuck behind a clown (or group of clowns) going 55, that's 10 min 55 sec, a difference of 2 min, 21 sec. So, what's the big deal? Trust me, that 10 miles is "excruciating".

(As a regular user of 75 and the turnpike) “ If you get stuck behind a clown (or group of clowns) going 55,” Now that’s funny!

Well, I can see your point, but if you really are going to be only going 10 miles, it makes more sense to take a couple of breaths, do the analysis, and be safe, then to get upset, and try to weave around the clowns.

Also, I-75 has enough lanes that the clowns should not be blocking all of the lanes, or even more than the far right lane, however, on an MMP, the "clown" only has one lane, and should not be expected to drive over the speed limit in order to appease the impatient cart driver who wants to do 22 or 23 on the straights, and 20 on the curves where one may come up suddenly on a walker or a slow moving bicycle.

And it was the situation on the MMP that I was addressing.
So there is that.

So, here is this:

The "clowns" aren't the ones going 20, nor do they need to pull over for the cart going 23. The clowns are those that are going 12. The biggest clowns are those that go 12 but speed up to 23 when you go to (safely) pass them. Do that in a car and you can be cited under Florida law, but in a cart on the MMP it's simply rude (and dangerous)

Florida statute 316.083 sec 5.

(5) "Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle must give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle, on audible signal or upon the visible blinking of the headlamps of the overtaking vehicle if such overtaking is being attempted at nighttime, and must not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle."

I-75 or MMP, what makes it "excruciating" is your mindset. Anxiety of not being first, in the lead, being held back. Relax! Back off and enjoy the ride. You will get there. No need to get upset. Don't let the trivial stress you out. You will enjoy your game more and play better if you are not tense from anger.

Once again, you've jumped the rails from what we were talking about (someone going 3 mph below the maximum) when approaching curves and intersections, and 20 on the straightaways, (the speed limit), to an exaggeration of what we were talking about.
Personally, I've yet to encounter the mythical creature who has jacked his governor to 3+mph so he can go 13mph, but I suppose he may be out there.

Actually, there doesn't appear to be any rail jumping at all. You brought up the extra time, GE gave an example using I-75, you mentioned multiple lanes and 23mph, GE answered both.

*IF* we are still discussing my post about slow cart drivers from Everglades to Hillsborough:
- I didn't mention 23mph, mentioned about 20mph (and that was a guess)
- I didn't mention blind corners, I mentioned straightaways, corners, and everywhere else
- There is no speed limit on the MMPs.
- Though speed is effectively limited by the maximum allowable cart speed, the max speed of an LSV (allowed on the paths) is 25mph
- Whether it is two minutes stuck behind a left lane louie or five minutes stuck behind one truck slooowly passing another or three and one half minutes added to an already 25 minute trip it is painful

Please note: I don't believe I ever said the slower cart was doing anything wrong. I simply said it was very painful (excruciating) to have to follow someone for nearly 30 minutes.

Note 2: Not that it really matters, but the same cart that I felt was slow on that 30 minute drive pulled away from me going down Hillsborough. The cart was capable of going faster on the MMP but the driver chose not to. His choice, no question, but just adds a bit of insult to injury.

We were examining the reactions we have following someone who is going slower than we might like, but still behaving quite reasonably, when GE switched the scenario to someone behaving quite unreasonably.
that is an example of a classic "straw man" argument: attempting to refute one argument with an argument different from the one under discussion.

I have also found myself growing impatient with slow traffic. However, sometimes upon reflection, I have to admit that the person in front of me is being quite reasonable, although a bit slower than I would go if I owned the road all to myself, and it's just time for me to take a chill and go with the flow.

Note 2 first. I have a gas cart limited to 20, but going down hills I have noticed I seem to be able to go a little faster. That may be what occurred going "down Hillsborough ".
Next is the expression of what is meerly frustration as "painful" or "excruciating". Pain is a physical manifestation of a physical condition. What you experienced is frustration, which is your emotions being unable to deal with a situation beyond your control and making you unhappy. Rather than throw a tantrum, like a spoiled child being told "no", change your mindset and accept that you have the right to enjoy the ride or hate the ride. Happy or mad is up to you, not the other person.

So you have never traveled on Hillsborough.

I could refute your erroneous conclusions, but Bill already did a good job of that.

right.

Agreed :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I've made a suggestion (multiple times) of what they can do to alleviate their annoyance to others. I never included having them "exceed the speed limit" as a solution...

Oh, and I like your added "what if" at the end... Nice attempt at changing the subject... BTW, "20 on the curves" has been deemed to be safe by the powers that be in TV...

I agree... That is exactly what you are attempting to do...