You didn’t make that clear. You’re right! I don’t either. Twenty mph in a golf cart is fast enough.

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Hey ALL of you out there…
Leave earlier. Respect the speed limits. Better to be late and miss something than to be DOA!

I bet we see a claim of 55 sometime next year.

I have to agree that they implied their driving habits are unconventional and likely dangerous. It is easy to say, “I obey the law.” It is equally easy to say, “I drive courteously.” They said neither.

They wrote that many argue with them about their driving style but they just don’t care and others can learn to deal with it. While not a clear statement that they have dangerous habits, the implication is there. It is hard to imagine an unconventional style that others disagree with that is not a hazard.

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the speed limits are a tad bit unreasonable?

That's because you have a very limited imagination.

Actually, one person criticized my driving because I often refuse to turn right on red.

Villagers rush around even when they have no place to go. A lot of them come from big cities where speeding is a status symbol.

All true. ON HIGHWAYS. My nephew doesn't believe me, either. He has been pulled over for careless driving in cities and towns throughout Florida, 5 times. (Over a span of years) Each time, he uses his misguided beliefs that the left lane is supposed to be used for passing as his defense. Each time, a judge explains the rules of driving in towns. Honking, tailgating, weaving in and out of traffic, intimidation, and going over the speed limit to pass safe speed vehicles will cost you $350 each time caught. He was forced to pay the fine, each time. Again, there are left turns at most intersections. You must allow a driver(s) to prepare and make his left turn.This is not rocket science!

Of course, those who drive well under the speed limit will be ticketed. I have not experienced much of this in the Villages. Instead, I see many drivers exceeding the speed limits on a daily basis.

I agree with #14
I agree with this guy...why I am in a hurry is quite frankly my business, not yours. I wish people would stop telling me how to go around a rotary, and how to drive period. I was taught to MYOB and thats what I do....I wish you would do also, but that is not going to happen.....

On highways????? Is that the law???? Because here is the applicable statute (again):

Florida 316.081:

(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

Note: ROAD, STREET or highway, not just a highway

More likely than not your relative was convicted of "honking, tailgating, weaving in and out of traffic, intimidation, and going over the speed limit to pass safe speed vehicles", because his defense of the left lane being a passing lane was 100% correct under the law. Unfortunately, the "other driver" was not ticketed for failure to move over when a faster vehicle approached from behind, but that does not absolved your nephew of his driving behavior.

PS: The "judge" in some of these one-horse towns may be just that---a horse farmer, and not well versed in the actual law, just what he wants it to be in his town on his little power trip.

If you’ll read THE LAW, there is no distinction made as to what roads the law applies. Your nephew was driving erratically and unsafe. Different animals. Left lane “sitting” is illegal on ALL roads in Florida. I was right…some is arguing with the LAW.

Perhaps people will quit telling you how to drive—making suggestions that might actually save yours or someone else’s life—if you learned the rules of the road and learned how to drive. Maybe heed their suggestions. Just a thought.

I think, if you've seen that first poster's posts over the years, that he/she is not a reckless driver, more likely he/she drives slower than a constipated hippopotamus, and as such probably gets passed often, and generates a large number of one-fingered salutes as well. That being said, moving into the left lane a mile in advance of a left turn is ridiculous, as is the concept that all other drivers have to "deal with him". If he keeps it up, one day a driver may "deal with him" by running him off the road, or worse. And not turning on red when safe to do so will draw you even more ire from other drivers.

Next rant to follow. Hint: it involves left lane Louies

Actually, IT IS the law:

Florida statute 316.081:

(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

Furthermore, there is a bill in the legislature right now that would prohibit driving in the left lane except for passing etc. (As the above law is currently written, someone can still just meander along in the left lane UNTIL someone comes from behind at a faster speed, but often the driver that is so weak in his driving skills as to be driving 55 in the left lane of a 70 zone is just as weak at being aware of his surroundings or unwilling to move over.)

And again, the law states "road, street or highway", there is no distinction between 466 and I-75, despite one poster inventing his own law. This also applies to the driver going 40 om Morse who stated "the others can go around". NO! YOU are required to move over if someone behind wants to go faster, that is THE LAW. YOU are not the police. YOU do not get to dictate speed to others on the road. That is NOT your job, YOUR job is to move over. If you want to enforce the law, go graduate from the police academy.

As far as "jittery, poor vision and hearing 80-90 year olds needing a mile to get into the left lane go, time to surrender your license, you are a road hazard.

You want a better controller so you can hold your speed at 15 mph????? Please don't get ahead of the rest of us.

/// already covered by GE above ///

Constipated hippopotamus, funny! :1rotfl:

"If you are running late, it is your fault. "
 

Good point !
In my decades of commuting, I noticed the same people flying by and/or tailgating every morning.

Now I really don't understand the rush. Do you know where your next stop in life will be ?

I'm taking time to smell the roses.

That's fine.

But if you're driving 12 mph on the MMPs, pull off to "smell the roses" :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The left lane law says "higher rate of speed."
If you also read the rules of passing it says you can pass when safe, but without exceeding the speed limit.

So if I'm doing the speed limit in the left lane, there is no reason for anyone to pass (except emergency vehicles).

Lmao!!!

Wrong. The law states you must pull over from the left lane when a vehicle behind is going faster. It does not state they have to be at or below the posted speed limit. Even if you are driving at 100 mph in the left lane and the person behind wants to go 105, you MUST pull over. Do I need to post 316.081 again???

Lots of discussion about speed. However it is not just speed that causes mishaps but speed VARIATION.

This: "Both higher and lower mean speeds have been found to be associated with increased crash frequency, and large speed variation has consistently been found to increase crash" (Speed, Speed Variation and Crash Relationships for Urban Arterials, Science direct dot com). The article goes on to state " This study further confirms that speed variation is observed to have a significant positive effect on crashes, with a 1% increase in speed variation associated with a 0.74% higher crash frequency.". The article wasn't clear of this .74% crash increase was the case for every 1% increase in speed variation, but it seems likely.

Frankly I wasn't quite sure what the numbers were going to say regarding speed variation and accidents, but this is definitely something worth considering. It is apparently something that the authorities know and have known for some time: I've had friends who have received warnings from law enforcement for not keeping up with traffic when they were doing the speed limit but everyone else was going significantly over the speed limit--a pretty solid indication that it isn't so much the speed but the speed VARIATION that is dangerous. Some cowboy madly weaving in and out of traffic is dangerous and statistically will either cause or be involved in accidents at a greater rate than someone going with the flow, but so is somebody plodding along at the minimum speed allowable even in the right lane. Both statistically are deadly, when one considers that variation in speed is a primary cause of accidents.

OK. So... even if you're a couple of minutes late for your tee time, is it really worth the mayhem you might cause by your mad dash to the starter shack? And conversely, if you enjoy tooling along on the MMPs at, say, 12 MPH and someone passes you on a blind corner and a mishap occurs, who is really at fault?

Go with the flow. By far the safest route.

The person speeding will get the ticket no matter which lane. On a busy street, with bumper to bumper traffic, there is not enough operable room for the majority of traffic to remain to the right. Those who continually weave in and out, will be ticketed. Town, city, and community streets are not open highways where one can zoom by in the left lane as they see fit.

If you do not believe this and speed in the left lane, or weave in and out of traffic, do not be surprised if you receive a $350 ticket for careless driving.

No argument with any of that. My point was only that the law requires the slower vehicle in the left lane to move over, even if he is speeding himself.

"Would it kill you to ease off the "go pedal" " and travel at a more leisurely pace for a minute or two?

Traveling at 75-95% of maximum speed is hardly "dawdling", imho. More like "cruising" the lovely pathways of our community. Saves fuel, cuts down noise and pollution (if you're driving an IC).

Going 75% of 20 = 15 mph on a MMP is not "cruising", it is a road hazard. Please don't get ahead of the rest of us.

I understand. Your posts seem to be written for slow drivers who impede movement of traffic. My posts are directed to speeders. In the Villages, I see more speeders than impeders. Your experience may be different.

Same experience as you, I'd bet.

In 10 years here, I'd say about 50-50, leaving drivers at the speed limit in the minority :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I agree with your math. The question was "would it kill you to ease off the go-pedal a bit so one could pass" if one is going 15 mph, it sounds like the request has already been taken care of. The vehicle going 20 can easily pass, assuming it is safe to do so. No?

Yes. And I'm sure they will get passed by 95% of the carts that come up behind them. And it is far better to encounter that than the "nice gentleman" who refuses to turn right on red or languishes in the left lane of I-75 at 55 mph.

Folks going too fast? Maybe. I probably do sometimes. But I have to tell you what I saw Saturday night around 9:15. We were in the car and headed down El Camino Reall. Obviously it was dark. I was doing 35 and could see tail lights up ahead that were pulling away. I thought, is that a car on the cart path. So I goosed it up and caught up. I paced a “golf cart” doing 40! My cart is tweeted to 24 (it really only goes 23 down hill) So, in that case, I’m gonna say “too fast”

And there you have it.......

Here in UK, the "Save the Planet" experts/cabal, have lowered the speed limit for cars from 30mph to 20mph in most towns and villages.
Good job golf carts are not allowed on roads.
Fancy being overtaken in a Ferrari by one of them speeding past at 25mph!

I've been on a few of those roads and forget the "save the planet comments, slower is safer.

You just classified someone going the maximum speed a non-street legal cart is permitted to achieve (not go, but achieve) as "dawdling".

Physics agrees but why stop at 20, why not make it 10mph and be safer still? How many lives is it worth to be able to travel at 20mph rather than 10mph?

Human behavior disagrees; unreasonably slow leads to either "road rage" or ignoring the speed limit entirely. Set the speed at a reasonable number (not the lowest common denominator) and the roads will be safer.

If you can't handle 30mph, you should not be driving.
Plus, most ICE cars are making more emissions at 20mph as the engine is not burning off the gasses completely, which nullifies the saving the planet reason/excuse.
Slower is not safer, paying attention to what is in front of you instead of the speedometer is safer!