[Martian]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

I agree that many here need to grow up and become an adult.

An adult follows rules. An adult's signature on a contract has meaning. An adult does not blame others when he gets caught doing something they promised not to do. An adult does not become angry when they are told they broke a rule, and look for someone to be angry at. An adult does not insist that he should be allowed to do something simply because he wants to. An adult leads by example and teaches his children and grandchildren that rules are needed and important.

I could go on, but you get the idea.

Just wondering. Can you show me any cases of people on this thread getting upset because they "got caught" breaking the rules? I have spoken to many neighbors in my short time here and very few have "been caught", but those that did mostly laughed about it and said, "oh well".

Oh, and just to nit pick, in 40 years of working at numerous companies (contractor) I can not think of a single "adult" that didn't steal pencils, paper pads, etc. I can not think of a single employee that did not steal from the employer by using his company laptop to browse the internet (except a few in top secret labs, where the computers did not have access to the internet).

Shall we take a look at what percentage of ADULTS have driven for more than 30 years and have NO traffic violations?

I am not sure what world you like in, but I expect MOST adults don't follow the RULES.

[rrb48310]

Originally Posted by Judy n Ron

So this is EXACTLY why making it complaint driven is a "C.S." way of structuring it. Every other association in deed restricted communities has association people doing drive by inspections and reporting. The Villages, in their cowardly practice of abdicating this responsibility, encourages neighborhood feuds by their practice. If there is blame to be laid, let's lay it where it belongs! The Villages! I was 100% stunned when I heard this shortly after moving in. Oh go ahead and tell me to move since I refuse to drink the kool-aid!!! Oh and by the way, no one is suggesting neighbors be sent to a concentration camp. Those using a Nazi analogy have a complete disrespect for those that suffered under them, and sound like spoiled ANTIFA flakes.

A little angry, but I mostly agree The Villages/governing body needs to do the inspecting and enforcing. I read in another thread, that after someone moved in (and made no changes) got a letter telling them they were not in compliance. The governing body needs to keep everything in compliance, there can’t be “if it’s ok with your neighbors it’s ok” type of enforcement. Neighbors change, so if everyone on a block does the same thing for years and one new neighbor moves in and doesn’t like it and then reports everyone, they’re not Nazi’s, but it does cause ill feelings and keeps us creating threads like this one. Maybe the millions of miles that the Community Watch drives could help in enforcement, they see it all.

[fitnessrs@aol.com]

I would not say that just because people don't report neighbors for code violations that they don't have a problem with them. They just don't want to be the one that reports their neighbor. There is a difference.

[fitnessrs@aol.com]

I agree 100% that the community watch staff should be reporting all code violations. It should not be left to the neighbors to report them. That way it will be consistently enforced all over the villages.

[FenneyFanatic]

Has it occurred to anyone that the bulk of these complaints are coming from neighbors who want to remain anonymous? Oh wait...that's the point of the whole system!! That is likely where the myth of the wandering complainants comes from..

[Serenoa]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

I agree that many here need to grow up and become an adult.

An adult follows rules. An adult's signature on a contract has meaning. An adult does not blame others when he gets caught doing something they promised not to do. An adult does not become angry when they are told they broke a rule, and look for someone to be angry at. An adult does not insist that he should be allowed to do something simply because he wants to. An adult leads by example and teaches his children and grandchildren that rules are needed and important.

I could go on, but you get the idea.

Just FOLLOW THE RULES. Problem solved.

[roob1]

The number of posts does not necessarily reflect when a person arrived to TV or began using TOTV. Many here may have huge number of posts, mostly consisting of "I agree" or a single emoticon. These do not move the discussion forward, and are close to worthless. Some members comment on almost every thread.

Originally Posted by JoMar

Interesting that the posters who are complaining about the need to have all of us step up to what we agreed to are mostly new arrivals, either to TOTV or The Villages (determined by the number of posts). Why is that?

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Martian

I see and how many gold fish can I have if I promise to keep them on a leash?

Edit: In case you think I am just being silly, the deed restrictions specifically state I can have only 2 goldfish and they must be kept on leashes at all times.

But are each of the Goldfish under or over 40lbs?

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

I agree that many here need to grow up and become an adult.
An adult follows rules. An adult's signature on a contract has meaning. An adult does not blame others when he gets caught doing something they promised not to do. An adult does not become angry when they are told they broke a rule, and look for someone to be angry at. An adult does not insist that he should be allowed to do something simply because he wants to.

It's not important how the violation of deed restrictions is reported.
If there was no violation of deed restrictions, blame would not be necessary.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Martian

I see and how many gold fish can I have if I promise to keep them on a leash?

Edit: In case you think I am just being silly, the deed restrictions specifically state I can have only 2 goldfish and they must be kept on leashes at all times.

This is quite enlightening. I never realized we are not allowed to have an aquarium in our homes. The fact there is a limit to two fish? That is ludicrous. Keeping fish on a leash? That must be an error.

[Martian]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

But are each of the Goldfish under or over 40lbs?

I hope they are under, but my covenants do not apply any size restrictions on the "pets".

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Ingenuity

I guess I have caring neighbors here in Fenny and elsewhere in the Southern Oaks area. If there is someone "out of compliance" we go over there and ask if they need help. Finger pointing does not lead to a cohesive neighborhood. There are people here that need a boost sometimes. I know my friend did and neighbors helped with his yard, asked him to dinner, helped w/meals. They still check in and I visit every weekend. One may move here w/great intentions, but sickness and/or emergencies happen. I will be moving back soon to help, but I thank these people for their caring, not complaining.

I'm confused by this statement. I understand all about caring neighbors and neighbors helping neighbors. But......why would anyone offer help to a neighbor who has put a lawn ornament in their yard? What am I missing here?

[Barefoot]

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[lakegage]

Get a life. people! You agreed to the restrictions when you bought into The Villages. Now be a responsible adult and live up to your agreement.

[Martian]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

This is quite enlightening. I never realized we are not allowed to have an aquarium in our homes. The fact there is a limit to two fish? That is ludicrous. Keeping fish on a leash? That must be an error.

In an earlier post I included a screen shot of the covenant for our district (12) but the wording is almost identical in all of them.

It describes what are allowable pets, what are not allowable pets, and how many pets you can have. I am CERTAIN the intent is to only allow 2 dogs, however, the wording is very clear and specific - it says there will be no more than 2 of the pets - which includes the fish. It also say that the owner is required to keep the "pets" on a leash, again obviously referring to dogs (maybe cats?) but that is not what it says. It says fish are pets and pets have to be kept on a leash.

My purpose in posting it, and repeating it, is that people keep saying that we should follow the rules, and if we don't follow the rules we are just stupid (name calling always works well in public discussions). Well then I suggest everyone should follow the rules. Keep your gold fish on a leash and don't have more than 2 of any mixture of pets. Don't do any investing in the stock market or selling or renting of multiple properties for a profit at home, etc, etc, etc.

Pretty silly isn't it. The covenants are all like that. People may "think" they know what they are agreeing to, but the wording is so poor that it is completely open to interpretation.

My opinion is that the covenants describe an intent, which is to keep TV beautiful for everyone to enjoy and benefit from. They provide guidelines only. And any complaint is investigated and the incident is evaluated to determine if it abides by the intent or not. If it is in violation of the rule they can (and do) grant exceptions.

All the fluster and bluster is not moving things forward, since they are proposing that we follow the exact letter of the rules, while those rules are so poorly written they can not in all reality be followed.