[salpal]

As my Daddy said:
Some people are so eager to find fault that you'd think there was a reward offered.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Seems like whenever anyone has a concern, complain, rant or anything not to their liking someone suggests they move somewhere else. Why do we treat each other like that. I would hope in most cases these concerns are legitimate to the OP and they are looking for confirmation, discussion, ideas of how to correct the issue or whatever - but, I don't believe they post so someone suggest they go live somewhere else, relax, take a chill pill, suggest "you have to much time on your hands" and a host of other rude things we say.

And I'm about to end the post by saying "ok take your best shot" which confirms my thinking. It is very difficult to bring anything negative to this forum without getting beat up.

Thanks for listening.

Well, you're right. They didn't come out and ask you to move, but the majority seem to to be saying, don't voice your complaints, don't voice your hope for change to help make things better; anyone who complains is a troublemaker looking for attention; anyone who complains about The Villages is just totally unhappy in their life, etc.... Sigh.

[rubicon]

"So Why Don't You Just Move." When a person leads with this question in my mind s/he has already lost their argument. Its political correctness speak. It follows along with confirmation bias and selective denial. It is an offensive tactic so that the responder's bubble isn't burst.

It is also indicative of people who do not like leaving their comfort zone.
It reflects a major flaw occurring at every level of American life. Debate and intelligent discourse have been replaced with name calling argumentive and defensive yelling and plain old ignoring all reactive responses. Reality shows reflect America's reality today.

On the other hand there are people who apparently have higher expectations than is the norm. However on this forum who believes they are experts in making that determination?

[Big47moe]

"So Why Don't You Just Move." It seams to me that some complaints are constructive and some are negative and it's not easy to tell by the tone that is implied.

I think the reply to those complaining should be "What are YOU going to do about It?"

Complaints need to followed-up with a solutions and perhaps things may be fixed or understood.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by Big47moe

"So Why Don't You Just Move." It seams to me that some complaints are constructive and some are negative and it's not easy to tell by the tone that is implied.

I think the reply to those complaining should be "What are YOU going to do about It?"

Complaints need to followed-up with a solutions and perhaps things may be fixed or understood.

Good point. I think what bothers people is the perceived attitude of some complainers that they are unhappy and want some one to fix it. It's the attitude as if this is a resort; they are a guest; so they expect their every need, want, desire to be accommodated without any effort on their part.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by Quixote

Several years ago my friend Tillie turned 100, and a big party was held for her. A young guest commented to me that Tillie typified the picture in her mind of a "sweet little old lady." Tillie always smiled, was always gentle and loving, never complained, was white-haired and pink-skinned, and was a joy to be with.

I explained to this young woman that that isn't how it works, that Tillie didn't suddenly achieve "sweet little old lady" status. Tillie was like that when she was 20, when she was 40, when she turned 60, when she became 80, and now that she's 100. I was with her once at the nursing home (she could no longer walk) during lunch and asked her how the food was. She smiled sweetly and asked me if I'd like to eat it.... It didn't look great (understatement), and she ate it day in and day out, never complaining!

And if a person chooses to be miserable, negative, constantly whining and complaining and alienating others, he or she will be like that at 20, 40, 60, 80 (if living that long), and so on. We are who we choose to be, much like the Abraham Lincoln quote to the effect that we are as happy as we choose to be. We all have adversity to deal with; it's just part of life. But some of us are like this even without adversity. I feel sad for those people, as they are clueless. Somehow they think--and likely really believe it--that things will improve the more negative they are. And some will go through their entire lives like this and never figure it out. Wouldn't you agree sad?

Tillie died peacefully in her sleep last year, surrounded by her family, at age 104. She never for a moment wavered in her goodness--and she is missed!

What a great story and thanks for sharing Tillie with us. Definitely we could use more Tillie's.

[mickey100]

I agree that some people want all their whims satisfied, and that it is preferable to try and fix things oneself, but some things are really beyond our control. Take golf course conditions, for example. Other than voice our complaints to the golf department, (and of course repair our divots and ball marks) we can't do anything more. What helps though, is posting the golf complaints on this forum. When other golfers see that people are unhappy with the conditions and basically think like they do, it spurs them to also make telephone or email complaints to the right person. When The Villages gets a ton of complaints, then they seem more inclined to do something about it. Better than burying your head in the sand and ignoring the problems, or pretending they don't exist.

[simpkinp]

Originally Posted by salpal

As my Daddy said:
Some people are so eager to find fault that you'd think there was a reward offered.

I like that! Made me smile. I will remember that.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by rubicon

"So Why Don't You Just Move." When a person leads with this question in my mind s/he has already lost their argument. Its political correctness speak. It follows along with confirmation bias and selective denial. It is an offensive tactic so that the responder's bubble isn't burst.

It is also indicative of people who do not like leaving their comfort zone.
It reflects a major flaw occurring at every level of American life. Debate and intelligent discourse have been replaced with name calling argumentive and defensive yelling and plain old ignoring all reactive responses. Reality shows reflect America's reality today.

On the other hand there are people who apparently have higher expectations than is the norm. However on this forum who believes they are experts in making that determination?

Rubicon - not sure I understood your post. Could you be a little more clear what point you are making.

[Bonny]

Originally Posted by rubicon

"So Why Don't You Just Move." When a person leads with this question in my mind s/he has already lost their argument. Its political correctness speak. It follows along with confirmation bias and selective denial. It is an offensive tactic so that the responder's bubble isn't burst.

It is also indicative of people who do not like leaving their comfort zone.
It reflects a major flaw occurring at every level of American life. Debate and intelligent discourse have been replaced with name calling argumentive and defensive yelling and plain old ignoring all reactive responses. Reality shows reflect America's reality today.

On the other hand there are people who apparently have higher expectations than is the norm. However on this forum who believes they are experts in making that determination?

Not quite sure what you are saying.

[George1938]

My My ! Let's all stop trying to emulate Congress !!

[senior citizen]

[QUOTE=Quixote;683169]Several years ago my friend Tillie turned 100, and a big party was held for her. A young guest commented to me that Tillie typified the picture in her mind of a "sweet little old lady." Tillie always smiled, was always gentle and loving, never complained, was white-haired and pink-skinned, and was a joy to be with.

I explained to this young woman that that isn't how it works, that Tillie didn't suddenly achieve "sweet little old lady" status. Tillie was like that when she was 20, when she was 40, when she turned 60, when she became 80, and now that she's 100. I was with her once at the nursing home (she could no longer walk) during lunch and asked her how the food was. She smiled sweetly and asked me if I'd like to eat it.... It didn't look great (understatement), and she ate it day in and day out, never complaining!
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Many of the elders in our past were exactly like Tillie.....and all were a joy to be with. She lived a long life because she apparently was not hateful and nit picky over every little thing. Nothing in this world is perfect.

I've always been calm, accepting of people's differences and various opinions as no one is perfect. No place is perfect and life is not perfect.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in la la land. That's my opinion.

There are places that are enjoyable at different stages of life, for sure.

I might also add that asking about "climate" is not being negative in that it can indeed affect folks........if it makes them uncomfortable, so in "weighing whether to relocate to certain parts of our great country" vs. staying put in the familiar terrain..........is just being smart and doing the research. Act in haste, repent at leisure.

We've been in Vermont for 43 years, a state that does NOT have perfect weather.........not one Vermonter would be insistant that it has perfect weather............that it never snows, never has ice storms and blizzards, never rains for days on end with extreme mugginess and humidity (again today).......never has pot holes and frost heaves......but it is a beautiful state and was a great place to raise a family. Things are changing, even up here.......but in the end, we all make our own educated decisions based on our own research and HOW WE FEEL at the moment..........the original Vermonters were the salt of the earth and a pleasure to know, once you got past the "Ayup" and silent treatment...........the autumns were glorious.......the springtime is now practically non existant as we've seen climate change.........and more rain and flooding.............that is not being negative. It is stating a fact. It is not bashing the state of Vermont.
We will miss our beautiful state when we relocate to The Villages.

We love Vermont but Florida is in our future for a million and one reasons.
It still is HOT and it still is HUMID. We know that for a fact, having lived in Florida........and having vacationed in Florida during our entire 48 years of marriage.

Having a different viewpoint or asking a question does not make a "hater".

I also respect those who are not afraid to state their true opinions and not pretend to be still in high school.......we are all far past that age, for sure.
No one needs to be in the "popular" crowd if they have enough self esteem of their own.

New England has always been known for free thinkers and freedom of speech has always been valued........ditto for other parts of our nation.
Posters should not become afraid of the few bullies out there in life.....
There is one faction that seems to think they are still in high school.
Supposedly, we are all mature senior citizens??

Also, common sense would show that if The Villages was not hot and humid during the summer months, the snowbirds would NOT return north in May, only to return in the autumn or after the holidays.......
We appreciate those who have posted super getaways in the Carolina mountains for the summer "escape" from oppressive humidity and intense sunshine.......that's when the cooler forests would be appealing, for sure.


"Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard. . . But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order."
- Justice Robert Jackson WV SBE v Barnette

[Gerald]

exactly on target. gomoho thank you for saying it

[laddan]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Seems like whenever anyone has a concern, complain, rant or anything not to their liking someone suggests they move somewhere else. Why do we treat each other like that. I would hope in most cases these concerns are legitimate to the OP and they are looking for confirmation, discussion, ideas of how to correct the issue or whatever - but, I don't believe they post so someone suggest they go live somewhere else, relax, take a chill pill, suggest "you have to much time on your hands" and a host of other rude things we say.

And I'm about to end the post by saying "ok take your best shot" which confirms my thinking. It is very difficult to bring anything negative to this forum without getting beat up.

Thanks for listening.

so true, seems the most tolerant do-gooder folks are not so tolerant if you believe or express something they do not like I have seen this many times on this site. glad you made your case, I agree with you 100%

[graciegirl]

There are those who are just positive and do their best to "weather the storms" and don't sweat the small stuff.

There are those that TRY to emulate the St.Francis thingy and try to
change the things they can change, accept the things they can't change and hope and pray for the wisdom to know the difference.

And there are those who are and always will be anonymous trouble makers who don't like you or anything you like because of your religious, political beliefs or how much money you have or don't have. Or they aren't having enough sex or eating nasty stuff or really suffering from arthritis or are lonely, sad or just heard awful news. I realize that in this very post I contradicted myself because this is the process I go through when someone posts something that just really makes me mad. I try really, REALLY hard to read it again, and hear with my brain and my heart just what the poster is saying and I try to figure out the facts as stated and if I don't understand I will often ask questions...and that is when I am sometimes criticized. That ain't right.