[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That IS an interesting warning. However, I am NOT SURE it is TRUE, because there was no explanation and PROOF that it was TRUE. Just a statement of opinion left out there floating in opinion space ????????

Kind of like 99.99% of your posts. I can't believe YOU actually called someone out on that.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Velvet

The area was smaller, everything more easily accessible. Much less traffic. Neighbors really helped each other, turnover was less. And Mr Shwartz actually considered the residents’ problems as well as their entertainment. I am not saying he wasn’t shrewd financially, just that he also cared for people - not just for their money. TV was a Village as the name implies, not a city as the population is now. Can we go back? No. We always have to proceed forwards that is the only direction time goes. But we seem to be proceeding unilaterally like the Silicon Valley Bank, hedging the main bets on younger (active) naive people - who will grow older and will be in the majority here - it’ll be a lot of people to have to throw out. And I’m wondering how they’ll like it.

So, it's the neighbor's fault? Our neighbor's are very helpful. They watch our home when we're away. My wife helped a lady she came across sitting on the curb. She simply "ran out of gas" and couldn't finish her walk home. My wife assisted her home and stayed with her until her husband came home.

She didn't have a clue who this lady was, either...

I've taken another neighbor (who broke her wrist and can't drive) to the dentist. My wife took her to PT...

I posted on Next Door and our local neighborhood message board about needing to borrow a set of golf clubs for my son in law who was visiting. I had a dozen offers...

You didn't answer my question. Being smaller doesn't mean you don't have to drive. Nor does less traffic. Once you can't live by yourself, Mr Schwartz had no plans to take care of anyone...

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

So, it's the neighbor's fault? Our neighbor's are very helpful. They watch our home when we're away. My wife helped a lady she came across sitting on the curb. She simply "ran out of gas" and couldn't finish her walk home. My wife assisted her home and stayed with her until her husband came home.

She didn't have a clue who this lady was, either...

I've taken another neighbor (who broke her wrist and can't drive) to the dentist. My wife took her to PT...

I posted on Next Door and our local neighborhood message board about needing to borrow a set of golf clubs for my son in law who was visiting. I had a dozen offers...

You didn't answer my question. Being smaller doesn't mean you don't have to drive. Nor does less traffic. Once you can't live by yourself, Mr Schwartz had no plans to take care of anyone...

But he was sweet. He has a statue.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

So, it's the neighbor's fault? Our neighbor's are very helpful. They watch our home when we're away. My wife helped a lady she came across sitting on the curb. She simply "ran out of gas" and couldn't finish her walk home. My wife assisted her home and stayed with her until her husband came home.

She didn't have a clue who this lady was, either...

I've taken another neighbor (who broke her wrist and can't drive) to the dentist. My wife took her to PT...

I posted on Next Door and our local neighborhood message board about needing to borrow a set of golf clubs for my son in law who was visiting. I had a dozen offers...

You didn't answer my question. Being smaller doesn't mean you don't have to drive. Nor does less traffic. Once you can't live by yourself, Mr Schwartz had no plans to take care of anyone...

You are fortunate to have such neighbors. And I bet your wife and you are like that yourself.

Being smaller meant my aunt could walk from her house relatively safely to where she needed to go. Try that now.

If you notice, some people refer to their house not as my “home” but as an “investment”. At least they are being honest about it. Funny how people who plan to age out in their home, don’t usually refer to it as an investment.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Velvet

A wise observation… and in the past TV was a place to live and die and have fun while you were at it. Now it seems like fun! fun! fun! and that is it.

Oh about the guarantee, both my parents and uncle and aunt knew Mr Schwartz personally.

Well, what they market is almost just fun! fun! fun!...lots of big smiles. Putts always fall in the hole. Dancing! Pool volleyball! Do you think they are going to show pictures of me sitting at my desk with my glasses on my forehead paying my bills? That's real life. They are selling an idealized version.
I think it's safe to assume that we're all old enough to know that what we see in commercials isn't reality. Even if I buy that Lincoln Continental, my wife will not look like the lady in the car, I will not be handsome, and my house won't look like that house that the car is parking in front of. If I drink a can of Pepsi, my mood will not be instantly transformed into euphoric bliss.

We are responsible for filtering the reality from the idealized fluff, and old enough and wise enough that we should be able to do that. Yet nowhere in the idealistic fuzz of The Villages marketing media do I see public transportation for shut-ins, or in-home assistance for the infirm.

However, if your parents,aunt and uncle knew Harold Schwartz personally, I'd take that as a guarantee that those things will all be taken care of by The Villages.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Laker14

Well, what they market is almost just fun! fun! fun!...lots of big smiles. Putts always fall in the hole. Dancing! Pool volleyball! Do you think they are going to show pictures of me sitting at my desk with my glasses on my forehead paying my bills? That's real life. They are selling an idealized version.
I think it's safe to assume that we're all old enough to know that what we see in commercials isn't reality. Even if I buy that Lincoln Continental, my wife will not look like the lady in the car, I will not be handsome, and my house won't look like that house that the car is parking in front of. If I drink a can of Pepsi, my mood will not be instantly transformed into euphoric bliss.

We are responsible for filtering the reality from the idealized fluff, and old enough and wise enough that we should be able to do that. Yet nowhere in the idealistic fuzz of The Villages marketing media do I see public transportation for shut-ins, or in-home assistance for the infirm.

However, if your parents,aunt and uncle knew Harold Schwartz personally, I'd take that as a guarantee that those things will all be taken care of by The Villages.

I think you are right, at least I hope so. (My uncle knew Harold Schwartz from a previously life, it was Mr. Shwartz who invited my uncle and aunt to live here. They never regretted it.) This place has an honorable history and may it continue.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JSR22

vote for the flowers. Mass transit would be extremely expensive. Can't drive use Uber or move to assisted living.

You are a sterner man than I, Gunga Din. Let all the old people die like Lemmings in a charge against some cannons in some war somewhere.

[Michael 61]

Ok, I need to chime in as a younger retiree and new resident - I can’t wait for all this growth that’s coming - more recreation and entertainment options, and as my age demographic increases in size, there will be a higher demand for more ethnic restaurants, and not just the meat-and-potatoes chains. My individual village feels very small and intimate, as does the surrounding area. Great things as The Villages grows, that your neighborhood retains it’s “small town” vibe. The future and the growth that is coming is exciting - can’t wait!

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Velvet

You are fortunate to have such neighbors. And I bet your wife and you are like that yourself.

Being smaller meant my aunt could walk from her house relatively safely to where she needed to go. Try that now.

If you notice, some people refer to their house not as my “home” but as an “investment”. At least they are being honest about it. Funny how people who plan to age out in their home, don’t usually refer to it as an investment.

This is hog wash! Myself and many of my neighbors walk anywhere SAFELY. WHY ARE YOU SPREADING THIS MISINFORMATION?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JSR22

vote for the flowers. Mass transit would be extremely expensive. Can't drive use Uber or move to assisted living.

How could MASS TRANSPORTATION be TOO expensive when the users of the service WILL PAY for the service? NY subways and San Fransisco trolley cars are paid for by the fees collected. Plus the service would make a profit. Has anyone REALLY studied the issue? I am NOT saying that a bus line needs to run every 15 minutes. Twice a day might work for many people. They could take a sandwich and read a book while at the Doctor's waiting room. Businesses like Publix and Target might be willing to kick in some startup money because their sales might go up 10 %.
.........I doubt very much that a mass transit system has ever been researched and proposed here. It is easiest to just ASSUME that something like that won't work because so many retirees have Golf Carts. But a blind person or a special needs person can't drive a Golf Cart. And many older people go blind from macular degeneration. And many people would take a bus IF that WERE an option here. Car insurance is going up and gas prices are going up.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bilyclub

Oh contrare. They do have a say in the taxes. Look at the whole impact fee debacle in Sumter County. Also they sold the water uitilties at an inflated price set by their favorite apprasiers and now the system all off a sudden needs 26 million in repairs 3 years after the sale. That 26 mill will result in substanial hikes in the water and sewer rates.

Ah Yes, the old "end around" tax increase.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

This is hog wash! Myself and many of my neighbors walk anywhere SAFELY. WHY ARE YOU SPREADING THIS MISINFORMATION?

Bogie, I appreciate and respect your seniority here. But I can’t walk safely to an appointment from Mallory. I can to a rec center or pool. And I have lovely sidewalks available on Odell too. The side streets are safe enough - if that is what you mean. Now my aunt’s streets in district 1 are way more busy than before, and no sidewalks. People drive through from the South to go to shopping area etc. There was no “south” previously.

[JSR22]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

How could MASS TRANSPORTATION be TOO expensive when the users of the service WILL PAY for the service? NY subways and San Fransisco trolley cars are paid for by the fees collected. Plus the service would make a profit. Has anyone REALLY studied the issue? I am NOT saying that a bus line needs to run every 15 minutes. Twice a day might work for many people. They could take a sandwich and read a book while at the Doctor's waiting room. Businesses like Publix and Target might be willing to kick in some startup money because their sales might go up 10 %.
.........I doubt very much that a mass transit system has ever been researched and proposed here. It is easiest to just ASSUME that something like that won't work because so many retirees have Golf Carts. But a blind person or a special needs person can't drive a Golf Cart. And many older people go blind from macular degeneration. And many people would take a bus IF that WERE an option here. Car insurance is going up and gas prices are going up.

.Honestly don't see mass transit coming to TV. You can have groceries and restaurant food delivered. Order almost anything and have delivered. Need to go to a Doctor use Uber. Where would bus stations be located? People who have physical handicaps or are blind cannot wal to and from a bus stop. There comes a point where people have to move. That's life.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Velvet

The area was smaller, everything more easily accessible. Much less traffic. Neighbors really helped each other, turnover was less. And Mr Shwartz actually considered the residents’ problems as well as their entertainment. I am not saying he wasn’t shrewd financially, just that he also cared for people - not just for their money. TV was a Village as the name implies, not a city as the population is now. Can we go back? No. We always have to proceed forwards that is the only direction time goes. But we seem to be proceeding unilaterally like the Silicon Valley Bank, hedging the main bets on younger (active) naive people - who will grow older and will be in the majority here - it’ll be a lot of people to have to throw out. And I’m wondering how they’ll like it.

Those are good points and, obviously, you knew Mr. Shwartz, who incidentally I have NEVER heard a BAD word about. And how things were in the REAL "good old days" of TV Bubbleland.
......As to we can't go back - anything is ALWAYS possible. We here in TV Land will NOT stand still, but we (and the whole US) could go forward into the BRIGHT SUNLIGHT of PROGRESS or backslide into the DARKNESS of an economic recession or other problems. The future is NOT ours to see!
......And one thing is sure and predicted by scientists - that our summers will continue getting HOTTER - the Gulf waters getting WARMER - causing likely greater hurricanes and destruction on the keys and both coasts - with the accompanying INCREASE in insurance RATES statewide. Also, heat exhaustion for older residents due to temperature and humidity rising.
.........You can try, but you CAN'T fight your MOTHER.........MOTHER NATURE.

[Fredster]

Where does the notion that a real estate developer should take care of you in your twilight years come from?
Is it just a carry over from the notion that government should be responsible for your personal welfare?
My recollection of situations where my aging relatives needed care in home or otherwise, they if they could, and the family made arrangements.