[Relivgal]

I am so disappointed in people that make assumptions on hearsay. Go to Sawgrass between 3-5pm and you’ll see what they have…..

[jimkerr]

Originally Posted by Relivgal

I am so disappointed in people that make assumptions on hearsay. Go to Sawgrass between 3-5pm and you’ll see what they have…..

Amen!

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Dunkin Donuts is gone? I'm so happy to hear that. That place was so filthy and messy. Hope Starbucks comes to that location.

I am guessing you're a bit of a coffee expert, what with your username and avatar. I've been drinking black coffee daily for almost 40 years, but I gotta tell you, Starbucks might be the most disgusting coffee I've ever had.

I'm certain you probably have a much more sophisticated palate and can appreciate the flavor profiles of those coffee beans that are squirted out of some animals butthole in South America (Kopi Luwak beans).

To my Irish American potato-loving plain palate, Starbucks tastes like coffee that brewed 4 days ago and has been sitting on a hot plate until scorched prior to pouring. I can do without them and their purple/green Sigmund & the sea-monsters-haired baristas also.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Ramone

How can they open a place with no restroom nearby? A 70-80 year old in a walker has a long way to go. Why didn't they hook into the Sharon water works connected to Blondies now?

It is an OUTDOOR bar. There is no place to put a port-a-potty on the patio. There are two tiki bars on the Square itself, and no attached rest room. Anyone buying a drink from the tiki bars has to walk to the same rest room facilities that people at Blondie's have to walk. I'm sure most 70-80-year-olds with walkers are smart enough to know that if they can't walk that far to the rest room, they probably shouldn't drink at that bar.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

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To my Irish American potato-loving plain palate, Starbucks tastes like coffee that brewed 4 days ago and has been sitting on a hot plate until scorched prior to pouring. I can do without them and their purple/green Sigmund & the sea-monsters-haired baristas also.

That's an interesting comment given that you watch them brew the coffee right there in front of you. It seems your Irish American potato-loving plain palate needs re-calibration - it isn't the Starbucks coffee that was brewed 4 days ago.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

That's an interesting comment given that you watch them brew the coffee right there in front of you. It seems your Irish American potato-loving plain palate needs re-calibration - it isn't the Starbucks coffee that was brewed 4 days ago.

You misread my post. I didn't say it was brewed 4 days ago, I said it TASTED like it was brewed 4 days ago. Starbucks tastes like the scorched bottom of metal plated coffee pot. I'd take Dutch Bros (and Denny's, Dunkin', and McD's) over Starbucks every single time.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Originally Posted by Freestyle7819

So what is the developer doing to bring in new restaurants since Gators, World of Beers and the third in The square now empty?
Seems to be me they are more focused on their new Eastport and Middleton vs where it all started.

Word is they're pouring more than two million into the refurb of the Paradise Rec Center.
Said to be the best one yet.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

I am guessing you're a bit of a coffee expert, what with your username and avatar. I've been drinking black coffee daily for almost 40 years, but I gotta tell you, Starbucks might be the most disgusting coffee I've ever had.

I'm certain you probably have a much more sophisticated palate and can appreciate the flavor profiles of those coffee beans that are squirted out of some animals butthole in South America (Kopi Luwak beans).

To my Irish American potato-loving plain palate, Starbucks tastes like coffee that brewed 4 days ago and has been sitting on a hot plate until scorched prior to pouring. I can do without them and their purple/green Sigmund & the sea-monsters-haired baristas also.

My aversion to Starbucks is simpler. It costs too much.

[jimhoward]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

I am guessing you're a bit of a coffee expert, what with your username and avatar. I've been drinking black coffee daily for almost 40 years, but I gotta tell you, Starbucks might be the most disgusting coffee I've ever had.

I'm certain you probably have a much more sophisticated palate and can appreciate the flavor profiles of those coffee beans that are squirted out of some animals butthole in South America (Kopi Luwak beans).

To my Irish American potato-loving plain palate, Starbucks tastes like coffee that brewed 4 days ago and has been sitting on a hot plate until scorched prior to pouring. I can do without them and their purple/green Sigmund & the sea-monsters-haired baristas also.

You can get lighter roast coffee in Starbucks if you ask for it. Blonde or similar is less bitter than the usual Pike Place. In the darker roasts they burn the beans, which gives it the bitterness. Not many people can drink that black. A drop of cream makes a big difference.

Or just go to dunkin donuts and have smooth light roasted black coffee all day long. Not sure if the server hair color selection would be different, but maybe. I've never noticed.

I love both chains.

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by shut the front door

Call them and ask.

Should now be the 2nd highest discussion in TV now that Costco has broken ground. 1st highest is gas vs electric golf carts and 2nd is now cost of rents from the developer.

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by DaddyD

"Overage" is a common clause in lease clauses in indoor / outdoor malls. I've had approx a dozen retail stores in high end malls, and all of them had an overage clause, meaning if my gross sales were "over" a certain amount, I had to pay the mall owner a percentage of that overage sales, in addition to the monthly rent I was paying. And guess what? I was thrilled to pay it--that meant that my sales that month / year were WAY more than expected!

It's kind of like taxes--no one really likes paying them, but in reality having to pay a lot of taxes is somewhat of a blessing. No tax = no profits. Lots of tax owed means you enjoyed really high net profits.

But your last sentence--"Even one empty business in a center makes for a less inviting shopping, dining, or entertainment atmosphere"--is spot on, and it's a self perpetuating cycle--the more empty spaces means the less shoppers, which means more empty spaces so less and less shoppers, and on & on.

I checked out the Spanish Springs square for the first time in a long time just the other day...strolled around with extra money in my pocket wanting to get rid of some of it but couldn't find a damn thing I wanted to own or eat! Hell, even the Dunkin' Donuts went out of business! If a reasonably priced coffee & donut place is unable to stay make a profit in an area dominated by senior citizens...you know the place is in serious trouble.

There are two massive corner locations (anchor tenants) sitting forlorn & empty--the former World of Beer & the Margarita Republic, now Dunkin'...and more along the main drag that your drive down to get to the Square. The wine place went out of business...it's just sad.

What I really want to know is how the heck that lingerie store stays open--that's the biggest mystery in the world to me. I know TV has a reputation of lots of swingers (what color is the loofah on top of your car?!?!?) & wild sex, but seriously--how many 70+ year old women are really buying sexy lingerie, especially bras that cost something like $80 each!

I'm aware that Spanish Springs has a much older demographic than the newer areas of TV, but there are numerous restaurants in the immediate area that seem to be doing well--LongHorn Steak House, Texas Roadhouse, Miller's Ale House, Applebees, Darrell's Diner, Mission BBQ, & Francesco's--all have busy parking lots out front whenever I drive past, so the problem isn't lack of demand.

The Morse family are billionaires, so I doubt they're staying awake at night fretting about the sad-state of Spanish Springs, but it definitely sucks for those of us that live in the area. I do drive over to Lake Sumpter occasionally (I intentionally misspelled to irritate the spelling/punctuation police on this site!), but no way I'm going to drive all the way to Brownwood to eat or have a drink.

I lived in the Ft. Lauderdale area for nearly 20 years, and this sports bar /restaurant is WILDLY popular and has locations all over South Florida:

Flanigan's - Laid back Family-run Restaurants in South Florida

Really good, reasonably priced burgers, steaks, caesar salads, fish sandwiches, BBQ ribs (actually, everything on their menu is really good), a $6.99 lunch special, and a 50% OFF happy hour 9PM to close. As a bonus, many of their locations have an attached bottle liquor store right next door! And they stay open LATE!

I would kill to have a Flanigan's open in the Spanish Springs area...

Agree on the Flanigans. Went there when they were also called Big Daddys. Drank there as a kid(back then drinking age was 18)

Noted comments on Dunkin. They are no longer known as Dunkin Donuts. Their donuts are no longer made on site and quality has been going down for a long time. They do have good muffins. To get a real good donut need to go to Donut King in Leesburg. Made there and more varieties than Baskin Robbins

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by Risuli

Agree. I for one would LOVE a GOOD Thai restaurant. Yes, there is one in LSL, but my experience with their food is that it is Thai only in name, and seasoned for nursing home tastes. Further agree about lack of variety. Hey, here's an idea, open ANOTHER Italian eatery... Sheesh. Unfortunately, most restaurants in and around the Villages seem to strive for mediocre and celebrate when they achieve it.

These days any restaurants that stays in business must not be that bad to stay in business.

It is a tough business and TV is much more seasonal than other areas in Florida including the more metropolitan areas.

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

If I was still in Business school would suggest the professor assign Dunkin Donuts as a case of how quickly a business can be destroyed by going away from their core business.

I, occasionally, like to have a good donut. When they started to make donuts off site their quality went down. Try finding a good creme filled donut there. Sad to say but Publix has better donuts and to get a good donut we go to Donut King in Leesburg.

[Al2014]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

We had dinner last night with two couples here longer than us. They cannot remember last time going for music in the squares.

We go rarely but the truth seems to be as villagers develop an active social life they go out to dinner or to clubs leaving little or no time to go to the squares.

We don't go much because they are so crowded.

[AMB444]

Originally Posted by motherflippinpicker

I have to agree with your assumptions about Sawgrass. This is our closest area but we seldom go here. The entertainment is usually subpar but does seem to be improving. The drink prices are $1 more than the other squares, the food is terrible and it's crowded. We do enjoy Tuesday Trivia and the occasionally Boozy Bingo but that's about it.

I'm 60 years old and I have no desire to move south of the turnpike after living here (rental) for 8 months and looking at what the south area had to offer.

I was very surprised by Sawgrass and it seemed to be just a concrete sidewalk that joined a few restaurants.

If you're looking for the real town square type entertainment Sawgrass seems like just part of the parking lot.

I'm a "younger one" at 60, I'm looking to buy north after renting here for 8 months. WAY north into areas close to 42.

To each their own.