[Topspinmo]

Citzen Kane can't force traffic laws, only people that respect the law can. we have trained paid public police officers for this duty. I can only control my actions. For the AHs that tailgate I break for dogs, ducks, turtles, two legged foxes.

You can complain all you want but only law emforcement can control it. I would like to see roving radar cameras camofloged set to 5 miles over the speed limit so if your going 41 in 35 bamb! You get nailed. Why 5 miles over? Takes calibration of equipment out of the equation. This will be the only way to stop the obnoxious habitual speeder.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by biker1

You will not be "arrested" as in hauled off in handcuffs and booked. You will get a citation and have to go to court.

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Yes, and the fine can come up to about 750.00 plus you must show your cart has been adjusted to the legal speed.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by patfla06

I am passed every single time I'm in my cart.
You're retired, so why are you always in a hurry?

Amen!

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by TVMayor

A while back a gas golf cart caught my attention because of the exhaust sound. Minutes later that golf cart and I were at the postal station. Being a hot rod lover I went and talked to the driver of that golf cart. He told me he swapped out the original engine for a larger more horsepower engine. With that it would go 35mph put the brakes were not up to the task, so he installed disc breaks. I asked what the open ended metal box at the upper left corner of the windshield was for and he said it was for his radar detector.

Jeesh!

[RickeyD]

This thread is scaring the sh-- out of me. Gonna go cut the wire tie from my governor bellcrank right now [emoji15]

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

That doesn't make sense to me. Unless a LEO catches you going over 20, how is it enforceable? Knock, Knock on your door at 2 AM---we're here to test drive your cart?

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

That doesn't make sense to me. Unless a LEO catches you going over 20, how is it enforceable? Knock, Knock on your door at 2 AM---we're here to test drive your cart?

I hope you realize that you just planted the seed that unless we mandate an annual inspection we will not be safe. Thank you for sharing.

[biker1]

I have not heard of it happening (yet) but I would guess they can stop you on the MMPs for "reckless driving", as they can if they have reason to suspect you have been drinking.

Originally Posted by John_W

The MMP (Multi-modal-paths) are on private property in TV. I've been under the impression that the police will only ticket carts on the MMP if you have open containers of alcohol, but no speeding tickets since it's private. The speeding enforcement by police is normally conducted on public streets that have a cart path lane, such as St. Charles, Pinellas, Hillsborough, etc.

[outlaw]

I drive frequently on the main roads in TV. Based on my traveling speed and my many experiences driving around here, I estimate that 80-90% of drivers are speeding on these main roads. Anywhere from 3-4 mph over to 15 mph over. So you have to ask yourself, if that many drivers speed, could it be that the virtually arbitrary speed limit is too low for these roads? When exactly did we surrender our rational thinking capabilities to the bureaucrats so they could tell us how we should behave? Remember the 55 mph speed limit on interstates? The typical traffic flow was more like 65 mph. Were you all up in arms about speeders going 65 mph, then? Now the speed limit is back up to 70-75 mph. nothing changed other than the government decided on another arbitrary speed limit, and justified it with a bunch of bs "analysis". As for the golf carts, I can only deduce that the constant complaining regarding someone going 22 or 23 or 25 mph is somehow related to the aging process and a busybody attitude. Why in the heck would anyone get upset at getting passed going 20 mph is beyond me. It's as if you are reverting back to your childhood days when you would get upset because someone in the classroom was staring at you. There is one very good safety reason for a golf cart to have the capability to go over 20 mph; when passing a golf cart going 15 mph. Modern automobiles have always had this acceleration feature; even police recognize safely speeding to pass a slower moving vehicle on a two lane road. It's about getting back into your lane as quickly as possible. Really, what is the difference in having a modified muscle car and a modified golf cart? The only difference is one of 70,000 laws on the books.

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by outlaw

I estimate that 80-90% of drivers are speeding on these main roads. Anywhere from 3-4 mph over to 15 mph over. So you have to ask yourself, if that many drivers speed, could it be that the virtually arbitrary speed limit is too low for these roads?

No, I do not have to ask myself that question. I am perfectly happy to obey the posted speed limit. If you want to drive faster, it is fine with me. I am used to other drivers flying past me.

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by bbbbbb

Speed is a problem, many of us see it and know of it.
Could we start a civil discussion on this before several persons including children are killed or severely maimed?

My advice is to accept the world as it is and learn how to deal with it. Other people are not going to change their behavior just to make you happy.

If it bothers you that people drive their cart too fast, then drive a car so you will not be injured when a cart runs into you.

If it bothers you that people drive their cars too fast, either learn to deal with it, as we have done, or use public transportation. Life is simple.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by bbbbbb

Speed is a problem, many of us see it and know of it.

So, 30 mph is 44 feet per second. I can show you how to find the math for this or take my word for it, this is accurate. At 60 mph you are moving at 88 feet per second. When we bought a new cart, I made them certify it would not exceed 20 mph. OK that is fine, but we are passed by carts moving at twice our speed and some of them are clearly upset at us. We do not have an emphasis on this danger in the Villages.
Could we start a civil discussion on this before several persons including children are killed or severely maimed?

Do you mean on here? Or someplace else? What do you mean by "civil discussion"?

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by outlaw

So you have to ask yourself, if that many drivers speed, could it be that the virtually arbitrary speed limit is too low for these roads? When exactly did we surrender our rational thinking capabilities to the bureaucrats so they could tell us how we should behave?

The speed limits on our roads within TV are not really arbitrary. The main roads, Morse and Buena Vista, along with El Camino and parts of Stillwater, are 35 mph because that's the maximum that allows LSVs to use the road. Other roads are 30 mph with a diamond lane on the side because that's the maximum that allows carts to share the roadway.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Mikeod

The speed limits on our roads within TV are not really arbitrary. The main roads, Morse and Buena Vista, along with El Camino and parts of Stillwater, are 35 mph because that's the maximum that allows LSVs to use the road. Other roads are 30 mph with a diamond lane on the side because that's the maximum that allows carts to share the roadway.

Good point. I didn't think that public roads such as MB and BVB would be controlled by about 0.1% of the traffic that uses those roads. It's a little different with the diamond lanes, which have orders of magnitude more usage by carts than MB (south of 466) and BVB. No wonder so many people speed on BVB; the general public instinctively feel the speed limit is too slow given the very sparse LSV traffic.

[outlaw]

If you want a cause to run with, consider drinking and driving (and drunk driving) golf carts. I would bet serious money it is many times more prevalent in TV than golf cart speeding.