[blueash]

Sweden COVID: 1,110,147 Cases and 14,621 Deaths

Originally Posted by lkagele

Not sure what your point is but those statistics point to a 99.986829% survival rate.

Time to return to fifth grade to learn how to calculate a percentage.

14621/1110147 = 0.01317

When doing a calculation of a percentage you should have learned to move the decimal point 2 spaces to the right. So 1.317% of the cases resulted in a fatality. This leaves a survival rate of 98.683 %.

I am not sure why you think a survival rate says anything about the wisdom of masks or lockdowns. It doesn't. It says something about the underlying fragility of those sickened and the strength of the health care system to respond to critical illness.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by blueash

Please stop posting ..edited.. on this website. While it is your "right' to do so, you are showing your ignorance when you think you are showing your brilliance. Funny how you just post stuff but never have any links to explain what "real science" is giving you this special wisdom. If you think is it so clever to quibble about the definition of a vaccine, maybe you'd care to explain what disease ever was named "Small Pox"?? I've heard of smallpox, but I've never read anything about Small Pox. Normally I'd certainly let that kind of error pass, but you deserve special scrutiny and derision.


Wrong. It is a vaccine. Who says it's a vaccine. Well, the CDC Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines, the Mayo Clinic COVID-19 vaccines: Get the facts, Johns Hopkins COVID-19 Vaccines: Myth Versus Fact and every responsible medical institution and authority. But you know better.



Ignorance again. It induces immunity to the spike protein which is a critical structure on the surface of the virion by having your body produce spike proteins so that when the real intact virus invades you, your immune system is primed and recognizes the spike protein as a foreign antigen to be attacked. You do NOT produce Covid virus itself from the vaccination, oh, sorry, from the "shot"

Thank you---beat me to it. Of course I would have got another demerit for calling them what I would have called them.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Idaholady

I’m confused. I was at the Morse Medicsl Building at 3:00 yesterday and saw non of what you describe —except for a woman in a yellow blouse in the elevator who didn’t think she needed to wear a mask. I don’t doubt that things have gotten very serious — I just didn’t see any of what you described. It was business as usual.

Originally Posted by sdeikenberry

I'm not wishing to call out anyone, but the author may not have all his facts straight. My wife was a patient at Florida Cancer this morning and asked a couple nurses about what was posted by this author. It does not appear there are any issues with Florida Cancer, employees have not been given a vaccine mandate, they are open as usual and seeing all patients...waiting room was as full as usual. Lake imaging, in the same building, was open for business and the waiting room had lots of patients in it. So...I just hope the author wasn't attempting to stir up panic, but is seems his facts aren't correct.

I wish the OP would respond to those two posts. All I can say is that as of this morning there are 40 ICU beds in Sumter Co. and 12 are empty. I highly doubt they were airlifting acute MI's to Miami.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by bp243

Do you wear a seatbelt and if not, why not?

Seat belts are well tested, no harmful long term effects.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Sabella

Why doesn’t the CDC approve vaccine?

Because the CDC isn't the entity responsible for approving vaccines.

[Incoblack1]

It's always interesting (sometimes shocking) to see when laymen disregard the advice of professionals who work in the field daily. It's nasty to say but this is the Darwin effect at work. That is when natural selection weeds out the most ignorant in our society.
Vaccine defiance will result in a more enlightened society! A good thing in the long run!

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by blueash

Sweden COVID: 1,110,147 Cases and 14,621 Deaths



Time to return to fifth grade to learn how to calculate a percentage.

14621/1110147 = 0.01317

When doing a calculation of a percentage you should have learned to move the decimal point 2 spaces to the right. So 1.317% of the cases resulted in a fatality. This leaves a survival rate of 98.683 %.

I am not sure why you think a survival rate says anything about the wisdom of masks or lockdowns. It doesn't. It says something about the underlying fragility of those sickened and the strength of the health care system to respond to critical illness.

You're right. Senior math moment. Still a good survival rate compared to other countries.

Based on this simple statistic, I think it's easier to conclude something about the ineffectiveness of masks rather than Swedes being less fragile.

I suspect there may be something to the manner in which the Swedes responded to the illness. They followed the science regarding masks so maybe they followed the science regarding early treatment with anti-inflammatories as well. Don't know for certain but it would be a pretty good bet.

[Bill14564]

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[Carole clausen]

How many of them do you think are coming to The Villages? Buying, renting, living with relatives? Just curious

[Quixote]

My better half had an appointment to be evaluated for elective surgery two days ago; the day before, the office notified patients that all appointments were canceled, that the office was being closed because of the huge increase in the number of Covid cases in Florida. The same day, our primary care doc told us that he had diagnosed Covid in 29 (that's TWENTY-NINE) patients during the preceding five days. And for those who cite how low the mortality percentage is, don't tell me that; tell that to the person who's dying of Covid and to their family members. What an unbelievable lack of sensitivity! As another poster pointed out, wait until it hits home....

Originally Posted by nick demis

Should people get vaccinated? In my opinion, yes. Should business and the government mandate it and threaten to fire you or worse? Absolutely NO, This is NOT Russia, China, Cuba or Iran, THIS IS THE USA.

I get so bored with hearing propaganda pap cited as facts chiseled in stone. In the early 1980s (Brezhnev era) my cousin's son, age 9 or 10, came home from school in Moscow with a paper to memorize and recite for a Soviet dignitary visiting the school the next day. She read it, saw it to be a pack of lies, wrote out reality, and had him memorize that, which he recited in silence. Was my cousin dragged out in front of a firing squad? Of course not. But the principal did speak with her afterward and asked her not to do such a thing again. She had made her point.

The last time we were there, we witnessed a demonstration in Red Square of perhaps 200-300 elderly persons who sought the return of communism. Why? Because under communism (the only life they had known), no one was homeless, no one went hungry, and everyone had access to health care. Following the fall of communism, there is homelessness, there is hunger, and health care has become a commodity in the sense of 'the highest bidder.' Sound familiar? Some years ago, a friend was refused desperately needed cancer treatment at a major New York City hospital until she put X dollars on the barrelhead before they would even admit her. An appropriate business model for some businesses, but not for a non-profit hospital. I know there are those who would disagree—I suspect the same ones who keep citing how low the mortality rate of Covid is....

One of the most egregious attempts at manipulation on the part of government on private industry is dictating to the cruise lines visiting ports in Florida how they should conduct their business. I'm surprised not to hear more outrage about this, and I wonder why not?

Originally Posted by MrZero

I hate to disagree, but other than Israel the other nations are no longer democracies as we know them. They are socialist and authoritarian. And you're being naive because it's all about power and control not about safety. It's a slippery slope what's going on. Just wait and see. The Constitution is still a thing, and it limits the government's power.

Here's a suggestion: if you are concerned about the "breakthrough" infections, get yourself vaccinated, wear a mask (or three) or get a hazmat suit, stay 20 yards away from anyone you don't trust, and take any other precautions you deem necessary based on the "free-dumb" you enjoy in the USA. But please don't dictate how the rest of The People should prepare and be "safe." That's the most Un-American thing going on right now IMO.

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Both are definitely socialist. Not Communist, but still socialist.

More propaganda pap. Could this come from everyone having access to health care? Citizens in Canada say they are no less democratic than the US. They live there; their opinion counts. Same with Israel; some of those living there see the country as autocratic, at times bordering on religious autocratic, and certainly not democratic, though they speak of recent changes offering a glimmer of hope. Of course, it shows sheer ignorance when the US is referred to as a 'democracy.' Try reading the documents from the founding of the nation: It is a 'republic,' not a 'democracy.' We don't hear '... and to the democracy for which it stands...' in the Pledge, do we? Ah, the desperation reflected in those who have to fall back on sarcasm. It certainly doesn't improve the soaring Covid numbers here in Florida, nor does labeling a country as operating under this versus that economic system. Sad.

[La lamy]

Originally Posted by sblb

My husband got breakthrough Covid-19 and was ambulanced to The Villages hospital because his oxygen level was 84. They gave him oxygen for a few hours, took an X-ray and said it was good, and sent him home. The next day, his oxygen level was very low, our primary doctor said to take him to the Marion County hospital. They took a CT scan and found he had Covid pneumonia. He was there for 3 days. Meanwhile, I also tested positive. He is now home on oxygen, and we are quarantined.
Both of us were vaccinated with Pfizer. To those of you guys don’t think this is real, think again

I'm not surprised to hear The Villages Hospital gave you a wrong diagnosis. It's so disheartening to know we are subject to the mediocrity of this hospital. So many of us have had a horrible time there. All the best to you both for a full recovery.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by jswirs

So...you both received the shot, and you both contracted Covid!!! Does that tell you something???

It tells me they're lucky they got vaccinated, because they could've been dead instead of just being sick for a few days and recovering at home.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by sdeikenberry

I'm not wishing to call out anyone, but the author may not have all his facts straight. My wife was a patient at Florida Cancer this morning and asked a couple nurses about what was posted by this author. It does not appear there are any issues with Florida Cancer, employees have not been given a vaccine mandate, they are open as usual and seeing all patients...waiting room was as full as usual. Lake imaging, in the same building, was open for business and the waiting room had lots of patients in it. So...I just hope the author wasn't attempting to stir up panic, but is seems his facts aren't correct.

Is this a case of "he said, she said"? My goodness.....who to believe?????

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Is this a case of "he said, she said"? My goodness.....who to believe?????

This is a tough one. For many years the OP has been a pretty "straight shooter" and I would be inclined to believe him. However, that airlift a patient to Miami part when there are 12 open ICU beds here in Sumter County has put some doubt in my mind. And there were two different posters that disagreed with the OP. So, who knows??????

[allsport]

Originally Posted by Dawn H

Thank you for sharing these latest local happenings.
It’s unfortunate and mind boggling there still remains all the naysayers. It’s absurd that any of them can ignore what’s happening within the hospitals when it’s the doctors and nurses that are actually seeing the increase in hospitalizations and the decrease in available beds….and are the ones asking people to vaccinate, mask and be of help.
Only when their families are directly impacted will they change their views.
But all of this has been said before…and here we are still.

I am so glad for both the comments. I had several doctor appointments about a month ago and asked every doctor and their staff if they were vaccinated. The docs all were, PAs and techs were not. They got mad at me that I asked and now everyone is out sick. I spent 40 yrs as a nurse and would be furious if I were working today. I would give them all a tank and a mask and send them home. The nurses and docs on covid wards should not be put to risk taking care idiots. And yes, those health care providers that did not get the vaccine should be on the front line caring for the other idiots.